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Eric F 08-25-21 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22199981)
This is essentially the Shimano method, which is: big, big +2 links

I've been going little/little, and just short enough to keep the cage from rubbing on the chain. Woks fine at the big/big end of things, too.

Velo Vol 08-25-21 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22200019)
Show your work.

Dew doesn't count as a precipitation activity on Strava.

genejockey 08-25-21 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22200010)
This reminds me that I want to add a few more links with the next batch of chains. I think that I have an 11-28 laying around, and there are some days where I'd like the extra 3 teeth (12-25 is what I normally run and my current chains have me committed to it).

I sometimes have difficulty believing I used to do all the climbs around here with a 53/39 x 12-25. Mrs. Peel is now 52/39 x 13-26, and I can't imagine doing a 3 mile, 7% climb with that gearing - even though I'm lighter and possibly stronger than I was.

Eric F 08-25-21 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22200010)
This reminds me that I want to add a few more links with the next batch of chains. I think that I have an 11-28 laying around, and there are some days where I'd like the extra 3 teeth (12-25 is what I normally run and my current chains have me committed to it).

Back in my racer-boy days, the only time I used a 25 was one particular race that had a 17% climb section. My usual largest cog was a 23, and my crit wheels had a 11-21. Yesterday, I was climbing a 10% section in my 29, and wondering how I got up that hill before...oh, yeah...20 years and 20 bs made a little difference.

Bah Humbug 08-25-21 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22200014)
You mentioned it in another thread, but remind me of what group you're running now?

R7000. I hate the feel of fewer teeth compared to more, and with my terrain here on pavement I'm almost always in the 50 or 52 and using most of the cassette...except for the smallest one or two because I don't go pacelining at 30mph. I also don't want to use the junior cassette because the 14 is too big for a small, and only going to 28 would make me go to the small ring once or twice more in my standard ride.

As it is, with 12-speed I'll almost definitely just run a 46x11-34 for the R2. Gravel... maybe a 40T with the Rotor 11-36 or 11-39. Gravel I do use the small ring, but only on some climbs.

Of course moving to a place with some verticality may just chuck all that out the window.

Velo Vol 08-25-21 12:09 PM

My cassette is 12-25. And I like it.

Bah Humbug 08-25-21 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22200056)
My cassette is 12-25. And I like it.

That wont be available (from Shimano) come 12-speed anyway.

WhyFi 08-25-21 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22200046)
R7000. I hate the feel of fewer teeth compared to more, and with my terrain here on pavement I'm almost always in the 50 or 52 and using most of the cassette...except for the smallest one or two because I don't go pacelining at 30mph. I also don't want to use the junior cassette because the 14 is too big for a small, and only going to 28 would make me go to the small ring once or twice more in my standard ride.

As it is, with 12-speed I'll almost definitely just run a 46x11-34 for the R2. Gravel... maybe a 40T with the Rotor 11-36 or 11-39. Gravel I do use the small ring, but only on some climbs.

Of course moving to a place with some verticality may just chuck all that out the window.

Yeah, a 12t doesn't feel so great and an 11t has a bit of a nails-on-the-chalkboard feel to me, too. I can only imagine a 10t on some of the 12-speed groups *shudder*

So, what's keeping you from doing 12-xx for now? Just don't like the available cassettes? I haven't looked in a while and don't even know what's out there for Shimano, though there was a recent thread with links to some interesting third party, one-piece 12-xx cassettes. They're DA money, though, and I don't know that I want it that bad.

Velo Vol 08-25-21 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22200062)
That wont be available (from Shimano) come 12-speed anyway.

:crash:

WhyFi 08-25-21 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22200039)
Dew doesn't count as a precipitation activity on Strava.

You racer boys and your Strava this and Strava that.

seedsbelize 08-25-21 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22199616)
rjones28 and anyone else: If I increase a crankset from 48/32 to 50/34, will a longer chain be required?

I'll take "Yes," for 200, Alex.

Sy Reene 08-25-21 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22199864)
My high school was the Demons, and people complained every year, hung up flyers and all that, but the remain the Demons to this day.

LOL at Patriot missile! Good thing they didn't go with the Tomahawk missile, they would've shut that down by now. :)

There's always the Scuds if a school's looking for a new team name and per some online dictionary it actually has a meaning "a formation of vapory clouds driven fast by the wind."

indyfabz 08-25-21 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22199864)
My high school was the Demons, and people complained every year, hung up flyers and all that, but the remain the Demons to this day.

My high school teams did not have an official name. We were just Deerfield, though sometimes informally referred to by ourselves as "Big Green." Our colors were green and white, like Dartmouth's, which is about 90 miles north of campus.

Bah Humbug 08-25-21 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22200065)
Yeah, a 12t doesn't feel so great and an 11t has a bit of a nails-on-the-chalkboard feel to me, too. I can only imagine a 10t on some of the 12-speed groups *shudder*

So, what's keeping you from doing 12-xx for now? Just don't like the available cassettes? I haven't looked in a while and don't even know what's out there for Shimano, though there was a recent thread with links to some interesting third party, one-piece 12-xx cassettes. They're DA money, though, and I don't know that I want it that bad.

The only 12-up I'm aware of from Shimano is the 12-25 Velo Vol uses, and 25 is too small; it'd force me to shift the front more often and kill the point of the exercise. Back in the 10sp days I ran the crap out of the 12-27, which was fantastic. With 11-sp all the wheels went to 11-28, which was... ok. The fact that every manufacturer (of groupsets) is using the extra cogs for very wide-range cassettes with gaps no smaller than before, and with far fewer options than before drives me up the wall. New Ultegra will be 11-30 an 11-34 only. DA will have those and an 11-28 available. That's it.

As for the Recon/ Edco cassettes, I've heard mixed reviews of their quality, and some of them appear to have bizzarro-bonkers ratios. And I've made peace with the cassettes I have no for my fitness and terrain, using the small ring solely for climbing the stupid hill I live on and gravel climbs. However, the 11t is a waste, and the 12t is meh. AG's 11, 12, and 13s are unused, but the 28t is, again, too small for her too.

Campy used to make a 13-29. I could use that with a standard crank, or a TT crank.

seedsbelize 08-25-21 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22200056)
My cassette is 12-25. And I like it.

I think I'm running all freewheels now. I'll have to check to make sure. And possibly all uniglide.

phrantic09 08-25-21 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22200112)
The only 12-up I'm aware of from Shimano is the 12-25 Velo Vol uses, and 25 is too small; it'd force me to shift the front more often and kill the point of the exercise. Back in the 10sp days I ran the crap out of the 12-27, which was fantastic. With 11-sp all the wheels went to 11-28, which was... ok. The fact that every manufacturer (of groupsets) is using the extra cogs for very wide-range cassettes with gaps no smaller than before, and with far fewer options than before drives me up the wall. New Ultegra will be 11-30 an 11-34 only. DA will have those and an 11-28 available. That's it.

As for the Recon/ Edco cassettes, I've heard mixed reviews of their quality, and some of them appear to have bizzarro-bonkers ratios. And I've made peace with the cassettes I have no for my fitness and terrain, using the small ring solely for climbing the stupid hill I live on and gravel climbs. However, the 11t is a waste, and the 12t is meh. AG's 11, 12, and 13s are unused, but the 28t is, again, too small for her too.

Campy used to make a 13-29. I could use that with a standard crank, or a TT crank.

It's so interesting to me to hear about 11T being unused. I'm in 52/11 2-3 times a ride with our rollers here. Half of the time I'm not even aware until my computer beeps at me that I'm out of gears. I'm also in the 36/30 several times per ride as well.

Bah Humbug 08-25-21 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22200154)
It's so interesting to me to hear about 11T being unused. I'm in 52/11 2-3 times a ride with our rollers here. Half of the time I'm not even aware until my computer beeps at me that I'm out of gears. I'm also in the 36/30 several times per ride as well.

Well and this is why I said the moving may crimp my plans to toss all my FDs in the trash. ;)

And what cadence do you use in your 52x11? I understand (unlike some) not wanting to do 90rpm at low power at 30-whatever MPH, but I've never found much point in the low power, low cadence pedaling on downhills.

I wish it were easier to ride with each other; it would be fascinating to see what I do on your roads, and vice versa.

phrantic09 08-25-21 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22200161)
Well and this is why I said the moving may crimp my plans to toss all my FDs in the trash. ;)

And what cadence do you use in your 52x11? I understand (unlike some) not wanting to do 90rpm at low power at 30-whatever MPH, but I've never found much point in the low power, low cadence pedaling on downhills.

I wish it were easier to ride with each other; it would be fascinating to see what I do on your roads, and vice versa.


I have found Im most efficient around 90- general hop in that gear at around 28-29. Pedaling down some of the longer gradual descents here you can get to 45-50.

datlas 08-25-21 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22199589)
Are they a bunch of Goodfellas?

Mostly. BTW the Sunday ride is called "Reservoir Dogs." We are a scrappy bunch.

datlas 08-25-21 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22200005)
Man I wish we could still get 12-up and 13-up cassettes.

That's what I run. Either 12-25 or 12-28, depending on my needs. But this is 10 speed Shimano.

Trsnrtr 08-25-21 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22199935)
That was a very hot and humid ride. I pushed it a bit and felt some nausea which is my tell for overheating. I dropped it back a notch and sat in, which worked out much better than taking hard pulls.

Besides heat which I abhor, it's ragweed season. My tell in heat is when muscles start cramping that rarely do, it's too hot. Today, it was right triceps and left deltoid which only happens in severe heat. They started at mile 14 and I often ride 65-75 with no pain in either. I checked out around 21 miles.

WhyFi 08-25-21 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22200166)
I have found Im most efficient around 90- general hop in that gear at around 28-29. Pedaling down some of the longer gradual descents here you can get to 45-50.

I'm too wimpy to spin at 90 unless it's low power and generally favor a higher cadence. I do occasionally try to shift to a non-existent 11t, but that's usually not until I'm pushing 40mph or higher. At that point, I'll pedal up to 120rpm or so and just let gravity embrace my fatness thereafter.

datlas 08-25-21 01:40 PM

Interesting experience on today's ride. Recall I still run Ultegra 6700 on my bikes. Also recall that the exposed parts of the shifters are notorious for rusting, and there is a bit of rust on mine.

When I started the ride, my inner paddle (to shift to a smaller cog in back) would sometimes just move but not shift, and sometimes would "catch" and shift properly. Oh crap. The outer shifter would shift crisply to the bigger cogs nice and crisply. So I am pretty sure the problem is NOT a fraying cable or a cable problem at all, but something in the shifter mechanism that is not engaging properly. I am not enough of an expert on the shifter innards/mechanism to make a definite diagnosis. Luckily, as the ride progressed, the weak "catch" or inability to shift at all became less frequent, and within 15 minutes it was working fine.

My suspicion is that whatever ratchet or other gizmo inside the shifter may have gotten stuck due to rust and lack of use (this is my first ride on the bike in 2 weeks), but I am torn whether to just leave it alone versus spray a bunch of WD40 and/or lube up into the mechanism to help clear out whatever the cause was.

Suggestions???

ksryder 08-25-21 01:44 PM

Sometimes the non-cycling world attempts to appropriate cycling with hilarious results. To wit, a $28,900 Louis Vuitton single speed bike that is probably less capable than anything from State:

https://theradavist.com/2021/08/__tr...Bkuqtqbtl52A8U

Bah Humbug 08-25-21 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22200191)
That's what I run. Either 12-25 or 12-28, depending on my needs. But this is 10 speed Shimano.

Some of us are too fat for 25s.

Both big cogs and tires.


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