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bampilot06 11-04-21 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22295230)
My trainer bike does that too. It actually knocks if I'm out of the saddle climbing. I went as far as to assemble the entire bike. Check the headset, take it outside and ride it. Then pull the wheel put it on the trainer....still knocks when climbing.


Thanks I was concerned. I didnít go as far as you but I re torqued the front end. It go better but still does it when I go hard.

MoAlpha 11-04-21 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22295359)
thank you this is what I have been looking for. I kept trying to do zone 2 rides and ended up climbing. I was looking at distance and elevation. And all of the longer routes have elevation, so I was trying to pick the one with the most distance and least elevation.

As soon as I would start on elevation my heart rate would spike.

Depending on your tolerance for boredom, you can create a Z2 ride in Zwift using the custom workout builder and do it wherever you want. You just go uphill very slowly. I have one which varies the power every few minutes but stays within Z2. It's so awful, I generally just watch a movie instead of the game.

bampilot06 11-04-21 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22295376)
Depending on your tolerance for boredom, you can create a Z2 ride in Zwift using the custom workout builder and do it wherever you want. You just go uphill very slowly. I have one which varies the power every few minutes but stays within Z2. It's so awful, I generally just watch a movie instead of the game.


So you have it in erg mode then? I will take a look, thanks for the tip.

mvnsnd 11-04-21 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22295362)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66e76b432c.png



I kept the power where it told me too.

I believe the FTP number from Intervals, but the power distribution doesn't quite look like a ramp test unless you added more to the session.

mvnsnd 11-04-21 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22295364)
Huh, that's helpful. I haven't seen this happen - I assume that it takes the time for your average cadence to zero out?

Correct. Cadence has to go to Zero to pause erg.

mvnsnd 11-04-21 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22295376)
Depending on your tolerance for boredom, you can create a Z2 ride in Zwift using the custom workout builder and do it wherever you want. You just go uphill very slowly. I have one which varies the power every few minutes but stays within Z2. It's so awful, I generally just watch a movie instead of the game.

Similar. I made a 2hr Z2 interval and use the Ī10 % to adjust the actual level to how I'm feeling at the moment.

MoAlpha 11-04-21 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22295380)
So you have it in erg mode then? I will take a look, thanks for the tip.

Yes. Ignore the FTP, that's left over from last Spring.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c21e1ed3b.png

bampilot06 11-04-21 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by mvnsnd (Post 22295385)
I believe the FTP number from Intervals, but the power distribution doesn't quite look like a ramp test unless you added more to the session.


I was a little all over the place on the beginning. It would say hold 220 and I would go past that and then below that. I didnít do a good job til near the end.

I can always do another one with zwift in full control and erg mode on. That might be more accurate.

bampilot06 11-04-21 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22295390)
Yes. Ignore the FTP, that's left over from last Spring.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c21e1ed3b.png


Ok cool thanks.

BillyD 11-04-21 07:48 AM

If I have to choose between Cholesterol or Sugar as to which one to work to eliminate from my diet, I will eliminate sugar every time. Big Sugar has done a great job pointing the finger at fat as the source of American obesity, but fat is an essential component of a healthy diet and does WAY more good than harm.

The human body actually manufactures cholesterol for its needs. Among many other things, it is essential for hormone production. All hormones. As well, the brain is composed of 70% fat, the essential coating of the neural pathways. We'd be dysfunctional idiots without it. :lol:

Needless to say, moderation of fat intake is the key. But by comparison, processed, added sugars are almost always harmful. #thedebil


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22294973)


LAJ 11-04-21 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22295414)
If I have to choose between Cholesterol or Sugar as to which one to work to eliminate from my diet, I will eliminate sugar every time. Big Sugar has done a great job pointing the finger at fat as the source of American obesity, but fat is an essential component of a healthy diet and does WAY more good than harm.

The human body actually manufactures cholesterol for its needs. Among many other things, it is essential for hormone production. All hormones. As well, the brain is composed of 70% fat, the essential coating of the neural pathways. We'd be dysfunctional idiots without it. :lol:

Needless to say, moderation of fat intake is the key. But by comparison, processed, added sugars are almost always harmful. #thedebil

Yep. I'm not perfect in that regard, but at least I know the enemy.

WhyFi 11-04-21 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22295392)
I was a little all over the place on the beginning. It would say hold 220 and I would go past that and then below that. I didnít do a good job til near the end.

I can always do another one with zwift in full control and erg mode on. That might be more accurate.

I'm not sure about the ramp test, but the standard tests are with ERG disabled, at least for the FTP proxy effort.

ERG is obviously a value to many but, at the same time (and as someone that's new to power), I think that it would be of value to you to at least mix in some non-ERG workouts to get a better feel for pacing yourself and riding smoothly. ERG, unfortunately, doesn't step in for you on the roads.

Mojo31 11-04-21 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22295414)
If I have to choose between Cholesterol or Sugar as to which one to work to eliminate from my diet, I will eliminate sugar every time. Big Sugar has done a great job pointing the finger at fat as the source of American obesity, but fat is an essential component of a healthy diet and does WAY more good than harm.

The human body actually manufactures cholesterol for its needs. Among many other things, it is essential for hormone production. All hormones. As well, the brain is composed of 70% fat, the essential coating of the neural pathways. We'd be dysfunctional idiots without it. :lol:

Needless to say, moderation of fat intake is the key. But by comparison, processed, added sugars are almost always harmful. #thedebil

Unless Skittles. :thumb:

bampilot06 11-04-21 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22295426)
I'm not sure about the ramp test, but the standard tests are with ERG disabled, at least for the FTP proxy effort.

ERG is obviously a value to many but, at the same time (and as someone that's new to power), I think that it would be of value to you to at least mix in some non-ERG workouts to get a better feel for pacing yourself and riding smoothly. ERG, unfortunately, doesn't step in for you on the roads.


Makes sense. I just did a zone 2 ride no erg and no climbing. All the numbers looks like how it would be on the road. Glad that finally worked.

BillyD 11-04-21 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22295417)
Yep. I'm not perfect in that regard, but at least I know the enemy.

You had some good cholesterol numbers from what I could see. My total cholesterol is always on the borderline of the acceptable range, but my HDL is good. Itís my glucose levels I keep an eye on, I want no part of that big D.

Velo Vol 11-04-21 08:44 AM

You guys have been going on about this carp for weeks. Just get one of these and be done with it.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4064aeaa50.jpg

BillyD 11-04-21 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22295446)
Unless Skittles. :thumb:

:lol:

Gimme chocolate, dark chocolate. And of course cheesecake. :love:

BillyD 11-04-21 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22295479)
You guys have been going on about this carp for weeks. Just get one of these and be done with it.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4064aeaa50.jpg

wut. The woman? Iím pretty sure Mrs BD will not approve.

Mojo31 11-04-21 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22295479)
You guys have been going on about this carp for weeks. Just get one of these and be done with it.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4064aeaa50.jpg

I can't afford one of those.

Velo Vol 11-04-21 08:53 AM

Meanwhile, at UT jr. . . .

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f4c62cabbf.png

genejockey 11-04-21 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22295339)
so I did do the ramp test, the first day. I had it connected to both my garmin head unit and zwift. What I didnít know is that the garmin head unit took charge of the wahoo and zwift was in standby.

So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.

The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.

Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.

First, when you're in Workout Mode, Erg or not, Zwift doesn't change resistance to match 'terrain'. It's either flat, or in Erg mode it adjusts the resistance with your cadence to match the specified power output for that section of the workout. So, you could be on Alpe du Zwift and it would seem flat, in Workout Mode.

SO, if you did the Ramp Test without Erg Mode, you'd just have to keep shifting gears to increase resistance, just like with a dumb trainer, but your trainer would be providing Zwift with your power output.

The other thing is that you can also change how closely the trainer tries to match the terrain. It's under "Settings" on Zwift. You have to be In Game, in a world. Click Menu, then Settings. Default for Trainer Difficulty = 50%, so it will mimic a 3% gradient when you're climbing a 6% gradient in the game. I generally run it at 100%, since I'm trying to mimic riding in the real world, but if I were to try Alpe du Zwift, I'd probably cut it to 50% the first time.

Two things about Trainer Difficulty - First, even set to 0%, so everything seems flat, your speed In Game is STILL determined by power output, gradient, weight, and aero profile, so if at 0% Trainer Difficulty on a 15% gradient, you might be spinning easy, putting out 150W, and feeling like you're on the flat, but you'll probably be going 2 mph.

Second, on descents, Zwift only mimics HALF of the descending gradient. So a 6% descent is really only 3%, at 100% Trainer Difficulty, and at 50% it would only be 1.5%.

datlas 11-04-21 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22295483)
wut. The woman? Iím pretty sure Mrs BD will not approve.


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22295485)
I can't afford one of those.

Agree with above. Too high maintenance anyway.

genejockey 11-04-21 09:00 AM

My view is that sugar, starch - carbs generally - are fuel. Just fuel. If you're burning energy, you need fuel. If not, you don't. Fat is also fuel, but slower burning - though more energetic per gram. Important to remember that your brain only runs on glucose - part of why one feels so stupid when bonking.

genejockey 11-04-21 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22295483)
wut. The woman? Iím pretty sure Mrs BD will not approve.

Then you'd be the one with the worried look.

rjones28 11-04-21 09:07 AM

No Peloton required.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b4a02ffa1d.png


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