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genejockey 11-18-21 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22312480)
I've seen some wonky cadence stuff with the Elite, too; mostly it just bounces around a little more than it should, though I do see the occasional spike (though never *that* high). With the power, I can set the Elite trainer to grab the signal off of the Power2Max, which is more accurate, it's just unfortunate that I can't do the same for cadence.

I'm using a Garmin ANT+ candence sensor. I have about 4 each cadence and speed sensors. That USED TO be enough to cover all my bikes, but now I have to remember to check the rear hub and left crank before setting out if I want data on a ride.

Eric F 11-18-21 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22312484)
My doctor said, "You're too fat!"

I said, "I want a second opinion!"

He said, "Okay, you're ugly, too!"

I think we have the same doctor.

big john 11-18-21 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312449)
I definitely categorize myself as a "all rounder". All of me is rounder that it used to be. As for bike skills, I'm definitely of the sprinter variety, with peak power above 1200w.

EDIT: Holy moly! I just looked at my power curve for all of 2021. It says my peak power is 1843w. I don't believe it. Seriously. I think it's an error with my PowerTap hub.

I always told people I was good at rest stops, the strongest part of my ride. I even suck at descending which people say is the domain of heavier riders. I'm not aero enough and I'm too high up and too wussy to let it all hang out in the turns. I could pull pretty good on the flats and into a headwind, I still have some remnants of that.

I could sprint at one time but that's history. I have noticed other older riders who can still climb cannot sprint at all. I have a friend who is 76 and can still out climb some other riders but it takes him a while to spool it up after a traffic light.

rjones28 11-18-21 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 22312424)
RIP my rear wheel.

Found cracking at the spoke holes :(

Sad

WhyFi 11-18-21 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22312488)
I'm using a Garmin ANT+ candence sensor. I have about 4 each cadence and speed sensors. That USED TO be enough to cover all my bikes, but now I have to remember to check the rear hub and left crank before setting out if I want data on a ride.

Yeah, I think that I've got 2 or 3 cadence/speed sensors around, but I'm not about to strap one on my bike just because my smart trainer cadence reading isn't as steady as I'd like. I am wondering, though, if I can unpair the cadence from the trainer and pair the PM crankset instead... :foo: Whenever Zwift connects to the trainer under the "Controllable Trainer," it automatically grabs it for the Cadence, as well, so I don't know if it's all or nuthin'. I'll try tomorrow.

gnome 11-18-21 03:28 PM

my cycling mileage for the year to date is a mere 2,570km to date. not bad for a commuter. lousy for a serious cyclist.

WhyFi 11-18-21 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312449)
I definitely categorize myself as a "all rounder". All of me is rounder that it used to be. As for bike skills, I'm definitely of the sprinter variety, with peak power above 1200w.

EDIT: Holy moly! I just looked at my power curve for all of 2021. It says my peak power is 1843w. I don't believe it. Seriously. I think it's an error with my PowerTap hub.

Hitting 1800w isn't something that sneaks up on you? ;)

Eric F 11-18-21 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22312494)
I always told people I was good at rest stops, the strongest part of my ride. I even suck at descending which people say is the domain of heavier riders. I'm not aero enough and I'm too high up and too wussy to let it all hang out in the turns. I could pull pretty good on the flats and into a headwind, I still have some remnants of that.

I could sprint at one time but that's history. I have noticed other older riders who can still climb cannot sprint at all. I have a friend who is 76 and can still out climb some other riders but it takes him a while to spool it up after a traffic light.

I definitely can't descend like I used to. Most of it is my own comfort and confidence at speed. It has returned a little, but the pucker line is a lot lower than it used to be.

Considering how long I was off the bike, I'm quite pleased at how much of my peak power returned.

Eric F 11-18-21 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22312514)
Hitting 1800w isn't something that sneaks up on you? ;)

That's why I think it was a PT hub glitch. I don't think it does so well with high-wattage accuracy. I tend to believe my Saris trainer does a better job.

rjones28 11-18-21 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by gnome (Post 22312513)
my cycling mileage for the year to date is a mere 2,570km to date. not bad for a commuter. lousy for a serious cyclist.

65% of my mileage has been commuting this year.

indyfabz 11-18-21 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312491)
I think we have the same doctor.

I had a doctor literally say ďYouíre fat. You need to lose weight.Ē I had ballooned to 265 in college.

Some of the best medical advice Iíve ever been given.

Mojo31 11-18-21 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22312465)
As one of the Addiction resident physicians, my personal bias is that imaging (and testing) is OVER-rated by patients. More valuable is talking to the patient, getting a good history, and a good but focused physical exam is usually better than imaging and tests. YMMV.

If you tested more you could upgrade that Saturn! :innocent:

indyfabz 11-18-21 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22312385)
I have no data other than observation. I think I suck at everything, but suck the least at climbing as I can outclimb most of my friends. The longer the hill, the better.

Low watts but low Kg, I reckon.

Yeah. I pretty much only measure miles on tour. My road bike doesnít have a functioning computer.

genejockey 11-18-21 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312518)
I definitely can't descend like I used to. Most of it is my own comfort and confidence at speed. It has returned a little, but the pucker line is a lot lower than it used to be.

Considering how long I was off the bike, I'm quite pleased at how much of my peak power returned.

I descend about like I used to. I was bad at it THEN, and I'm bad at it NOW.

The one kind of descent I'm good at is the short, steep, straight descent. There's one right in my town where I routinely reach 40 mph. This helps getting up the other side, which isn't quite as steep or as high, but still... The problem is that there's a traffic light right at the place where I hit maximum speed. I don't have too much problem stopping, but if I have to, the climb back up the other side is a slog.

phrantic09 11-18-21 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22312480)
I've seen some wonky cadence stuff with the Elite, too; mostly it just bounces around a little more than it should, though I do see the occasional spike (though never *that* high). With the power, I can set the Elite trainer to grab the signal off of the Power2Max, which is more accurate, it's just unfortunate that I can't do the same for cadence.

I use the Elite for power and the Garmin pedals for cadence. Using the trainer makes ERG a lot smoother imo. This is how I noticed something was dreadfully wrong with the pedals.

I have to say they surprised me with replacing them, not what I expected given that they were out of warranty.

Velo Vol 11-18-21 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22312465)
As one of the Addiction resident physicians, my personal bias is that imaging (and testing) is OVER-rated by patients. More valuable is talking to the patient, getting a good history, and a good but focused physical exam is usually better than imaging and tests. YMMV.

Oh?

WhyFi 11-18-21 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22312556)
I use the Elite for power and the Garmin pedals for cadence. Using the trainer makes ERG a lot smoother imo. This is how I noticed something was dreadfully wrong with the pedals.

I have to say they surprised me with replacing them, not what I expected given that they were out of warranty.

Which model trainer are you using? I've got a Suito. I think that I went the first... three weeks or so?... using the power reading from the trainer. I thought that ERG sucked when the trainer was in complete control, so if it's worse now, I've done the right thing in avoiding it. That and I don't have to concern myself with a warm-up period.

That's good to know about the cadence, though. I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

phrantic09 11-18-21 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22312567)
Which model trainer are you using? I've got a Suito. I think that I went the first... three weeks or so?... using the power reading from the trainer. I thought that ERG sucked when the trainer was in complete control, so if it's worse now, I've done the right thing in avoiding it. That and I don't have to concern myself with a warm-up period.

That's good to know about the cadence, though. I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.

I have the Direto XR, Iím pleased with it. I think ERG sucks no matter what.

Eric F 11-18-21 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22312553)
I descend about like I used to. I was bad at it THEN, and I'm bad at it NOW.

The one kind of descent I'm good at is the short, steep, straight descent. There's one right in my town where I routinely reach 40 mph. This helps getting up the other side, which isn't quite as steep or as high, but still... The problem is that there's a traffic light right at the place where I hit maximum speed. I don't have too much problem stopping, but if I have to, the climb back up the other side is a slog.

This is my favorite descent in my local area. I used to do it quite a lot faster.

big john 11-18-21 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312518)
I definitely can't descend like I used to. Most of it is my own comfort and confidence at speed. It has returned a little, but the pucker line is a lot lower than it used to be.

It's funny, some of the fast descenders I have ridden with have been small women. One time going down 39 from Angeles Crest this chica was hitting over 50 mph. I didn't even try, she waited later. She was a cat 2 but gave it up to have a kid. I see her once in a while riding with her husband and he is towing the baby trailer.:)

big john 11-18-21 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312576)
This is my favorite descent in my local area. I used to do it quite a lot faster.
https://youtu.be/ljln8FpJ2t4

I like it. I like finishing that last little climb on the way down from the gate and I know it's all easy until Sierra Madre.

Velo Vol 11-18-21 04:24 PM


WhyFi 11-18-21 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312576)
This is my favorite descent in my local area. I used to do it quite a lot faster.
https://youtu.be/ljln8FpJ2t4

Com'on, man! Where's the GPS and performance metrics overlay?!

;)

Eric F 11-18-21 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22312598)
Com'on, man! Where's the GPS and performance metrics overlay?!

;)

I haven't made the effort to learn how to do that yet.

WhyFi 11-18-21 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22312600)
I haven't made the effort to learn how to do that yet.

Cycliq has the functionality baked-in, but the data and video aren't always synced up well; I wish that they would add the ability to manually offset. There are some other editing suites that'll let you do that, but I'm too lazy to bother at this point. Maybe if I had some more interesting exploits to document.


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