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thumpism 08-04-20 08:25 PM

When I was repping Kenda was our main rubber line and we sold a lot. Bread-and-butter repair stuff for shops. When I got my first Sports I picked up some Kenda gumwalls for it and one of them was bad, a squiggle in the carcass. The replacement was fine but I recall taking back the occasional tire for a warranty claim during those years. Luck of the draw.

threespeedmafia 08-05-20 12:37 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1386e3ef6e.jpg
Kenda Gumwalls
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...613d99081e.jpg
Kenda Gumwalls

barnfind 08-06-20 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 21621871)
I'm not sure if you are a builder or a parter-outer, but I'm looking for a set of Raleigh headset cups (top and bottom), a threaded top race, and a crown race for the crazy Raleighs that had 26 thread per inch fork threading. If there's an otherwise trashed bike with a fork that turns decently, I'd be interested in the headset parts.

There's a huge cardboard barrel from the one lot marked "British Headsets", its filled to the top with headsets from what I'm guessing are all English bikes. I've not sorted through it or dug into it to see if its all headsets or what all is in that barrel. Its sitting in one of the storage trailers right now sort of buried behind about 80 bikes and a ton of bare frames. I'm not looking to part out any complete bikes, and I think a good many of these need to be put back together, but there 's no doubt more small parts than there are wheelsets or even complete frame sets.

What I'm finding is that some bikes have 'mixed up' parts. Black bikes with brown forks, brown bikes with black forks, green bikes with brown forks, etc. The same with chain guards, its as if someone swapped parts around for fun.

A few of the bikes that came from the one lot which were tagged with a list of what was done to them, turned out to have some sort of super heavy industrial grease that he used to pack all the bearings. The stuff was like brown tar. I can't say if he just used super heavy grease of it it solidified over time like that.
A few were greased with a heavy red colored grease as well that has the consistency of bubble gum. Luckily there weren't that many bikes from that place, just parts and stripped down frames.

The oddest thing we found at that house was that the guy was burying his old bike tires half way all around the yard forming sort of a garden border of rotten bike tires. Those in the front yard were painted in various odd colors, pink, blue, orange, red, white, etc. The family had a crew there digging them up. It was bad, but not as bad as one guy who had a plastic wash tub in the basement, and a bucket with a sump pump below it where he was washing his parts off in paint thinner, the pump had a hose that led to a long drain pipe that ran along the back of the house in the flower bed and tomato garden. He was pumping out what he washed down in the sink with paint thinner out in his back yard garden.
One basement we cleaned out that was full of bicycle parts, motorcycle parts and hundreds of stacks of old newspapers. The guy had 5 gallon buckets of drain oil all over the place in the basement, in each bucket was several tightly rolled up 'logs' made by rolling up newspapers real tight till they were about 6" in diameter, he then wired the roll together, and soaked them in the buckets. His widow said he used them in the fireplace for free heat and in the wood stoves in the basement and garage. The walls around the fireplace was soot covered, there was a black path from the fire place to the basement stairs soaked with greasy foot prints.
I didn't get a lot out of that place worth keeping but I'm sure they likely needed to call a hazmat crew to clean that mess up. Another place had a second 'kitchen' in the basement, it looked like someone at one point was canning food down there. But what we found was a stainless steel sink and counter top covered in grease. One sink was full of old stale gasoline, and had a tin lid from a restaurant buffet table. The drain was connected to the septic system or sewer. In another corner he had an old shower enclosure set up, and around it were dozens of empty 5 gallon buckets of aircraft paint stripper. There was dried stripper and paint all over the floor and shower enclosure. He also had a gas powered compressor under the work bench with a galvanize pipe leading out through the wall from the exhaust.
His wife said the neighbors hated him because he would run that compressor at all hours of the night while working on his bikes down in the basement.

If this rain ever stops this week maybe I'll get a chance to do some more digging through those barrels. But my immediate task is to empty at least one of my smaller enclosed trailers here by next week for a clean out I have coming up that's got a lot of small fragile items.

gster 08-06-20 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by barnfind (Post 21626137)
There's a huge cardboard barrel from the one lot marked "British Headsets", its filled to the top with headsets from what I'm guessing are all English bikes. I've not sorted through it or dug into it to see if its all headsets or what all is in that barrel. Its sitting in one of the storage trailers right now sort of buried behind about 80 bikes and a ton of bare frames. I'm not looking to part out any complete bikes, and I think a good many of these need to be put back together, but there 's no doubt more small parts than there are wheelsets or even complete frame sets.

What I'm finding is that some bikes have 'mixed up' parts. Black bikes with brown forks, brown bikes with black forks, green bikes with brown forks, etc. The same with chain guards, its as if someone swapped parts around for fun.

A few of the bikes that came from the one lot which were tagged with a list of what was done to them, turned out to have some sort of super heavy industrial grease that he used to pack all the bearings. The stuff was like brown tar. I can't say if he just used super heavy grease of it it solidified over time like that.
A few were greased with a heavy red colored grease as well that has the consistency of bubble gum. Luckily there weren't that many bikes from that place, just parts and stripped down frames.

The oddest thing we found at that house was that the guy was burying his old bike tires half way all around the yard forming sort of a garden border of rotten bike tires. Those in the front yard were painted in various odd colors, pink, blue, orange, red, white, etc. The family had a crew there digging them up. It was bad, but not as bad as one guy who had a plastic wash tub in the basement, and a bucket with a sump pump below it where he was washing his parts off in paint thinner, the pump had a hose that led to a long drain pipe that ran along the back of the house in the flower bed and tomato garden. He was pumping out what he washed down in the sink with paint thinner out in his back yard garden.
One basement we cleaned out that was full of bicycle parts, motorcycle parts and hundreds of stacks of old newspapers. The guy had 5 gallon buckets of drain oil all over the place in the basement, in each bucket was several tightly rolled up 'logs' made by rolling up newspapers real tight till they were about 6" in diameter, he then wired the roll together, and soaked them in the buckets. His widow said he used them in the fireplace for free heat and in the wood stoves in the basement and garage. The walls around the fireplace was soot covered, there was a black path from the fire place to the basement stairs soaked with greasy foot prints.
I didn't get a lot out of that place worth keeping but I'm sure they likely needed to call a hazmat crew to clean that mess up. Another place had a second 'kitchen' in the basement, it looked like someone at one point was canning food down there. But what we found was a stainless steel sink and counter top covered in grease. One sink was full of old stale gasoline, and had a tin lid from a restaurant buffet table. The drain was connected to the septic system or sewer. In another corner he had an old shower enclosure set up, and around it were dozens of empty 5 gallon buckets of aircraft paint stripper. There was dried stripper and paint all over the floor and shower enclosure. He also had a gas powered compressor under the work bench with a galvanize pipe leading out through the wall from the exhaust.
His wife said the neighbors hated him because he would run that compressor at all hours of the night while working on his bikes down in the basement.

If this rain ever stops this week maybe I'll get a chance to do some more digging through those barrels. But my immediate task is to empty at least one of my smaller enclosed trailers here by next week for a clean out I have coming up that's got a lot of small fragile items.

This sounds like an episode of "Hoarders"...
I hope you documented all of this.
We had an older man down the street whose house was filled with pigeons and
he would scream at us when we walked by.
After he moved out I went in to have a look.
There was a 6 foot square hole in the roof and the water and snow had been pouring in for years.
The water had worn a hole away in the floor underneath and another smaller hole on the ground floor.
His water had been shut off as well and he was using the basement floor as an outhouse.....
He used to ride his bike around the neighbourhood.....

barnfind 08-06-20 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21626206)
This sounds like an episode of "Hoarders"...
I hope you documented all of this.
We had an older man down the street whose house was filled with pigeons and
he would scream at us when we walked by.
After he moved out I went in to have a look.
There was a 6 foot square hole in the roof and the water and snow had been pouring in for years.
The water had worn a hole away in the floor underneath and another smaller hole on the ground floor.
His water had been shut off as well and he was using the basement floor as an outhouse.....
He used to ride his bike around the neighbourhood.....


A few places over the years have come close but unlike 'hoarders' they were focused one something.
Only one included animals, but unfortunately it was snakes, not pigeons.
The husband had run a bike shop, the wife ran a pet store. Both retired and
brought their businesses.
I suppose most though were more like runaway collectors than just hoarders.
After the past 20 years or so, nothing surprises me anymore.
A few were shops that were just boarded up and forgotten for years.
Every time I walk into that same type of situation I can't help but wonder what made someone just board up a place and forget it was there for half a lifetime.

gster 08-07-20 06:37 AM

Work in Progress
Another Bitsa Scorcher put together with
assorted parts that were kicking around.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fb86bb4b13.jpg

This was going to be 6 speed conversion with the
vintage Cyclo deraileur but on closer examination
the Cyclo is badly bent and needs to be straightened.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b114630e3.jpg
The bike is fitted with a standard 26 x 1 3/8 rim on the back with 2 cogs/
A 17T and a 21T
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...07fbe8651d.jpg
Up front is a $10.00 EA1 rim that cleaned up nicely and fitted with a Kenda K23 tire.
I still need a rear brake and lever but that's not hard to find.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b10ae017a8.jpg

threespeedmafia 08-07-20 12:32 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...71b2d1e762.jpg
Any love for old Hercules 3 speeds?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1fc771c22a.jpg
Center of head badge is gone as is often the case of these badges.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cbe60ddf91.jpg
Decals show pretty good.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c5674dd159.jpg
When you got to get your lean on.

clubman 08-07-20 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by threespeedmafia (Post 21628518)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...71b2d1e762.jpg
Any love for old Hercules 3 speeds?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1fc771c22a.jpg
Center of head badge is gone as is often the case of these badges.

Decals show pretty good.

Very similar to my wifes Herc.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a25311781f.jpg

W.L.SOON 08-07-20 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21629006)

Hi. Just using coaster brake? Is that a norm for that model or have the caliper/rod brakes been removed?
Is it a 26" or 28" wheeler?
Thanks and Cheers. 😁👍

clubman 08-07-20 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21629036)
Hi. Just using coaster brake? Is that a norm for that model or have the caliper brakes been removed?
Cheers. 😁👍

It had a barely functioning Perry single speed hub (wartime?) so I swapped in a 60's F&S Duomatic with a 22 tooth cog and it's perfect for flat landing. Canadian 28" wheels which are equal to 700c.
Sachs coaster brakes are generally flawless and dependable or I wouldn't let the most important person in the world ride it. Yes the chain could break but it's a newish Renolds Coventry with master link and I assure you, Elizabeth rides slow and steady. At some point you've got to let someone take responsibility.
BTW, this is the same woman who decided that when we got pregnant with our first child, we'd need a vintage motorcycle. When the second child was conceived, we got another. Vintage motorcycle that is. Then vintage cars, houses, etc.

W.L.SOON 08-07-20 09:59 PM

Ahh,a very special someone indeed! 😁👍

gster 08-08-20 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21629049)
It had a barely functioning Perry single speed hub (wartime?) so I swapped in a 60's F&S Duomatic with a 22 tooth cog and it's perfect for flat landing. Canadian 28" wheels which are equal to 700c.
Sachs coaster brakes are generally flawless and dependable or I wouldn't let the most important person in the world ride it. Yes the chain could break but it's a newish Renolds Coventry with master link and I assure you, Elizabeth rides slow and steady. At some point you've got to let someone take responsibility.
BTW, this is the same woman who decided that when we got pregnant with our first child, we'd need a vintage motorcycle. When the second child was conceived, we got another. Vintage motorcycle that is. Then vintage cars, houses, etc.

I also have a Raleigh fitted with a Duomatic hub.
Yes, a great hub and brake.
Not sure what size cog is on it.
I have a rear wheel w/ a Perry hub in the garage
Pretty sure it's a Canadian 28" (no markings)
with a matching front wheel.
Just waiting for a suitable frame.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bdabae9e20.jpg
I found a suitable rear caliper for this yesterday and finished it off.
Rides well but will likely invert the handle bars for a more upright riding position.
My back and my neck suggest this......

gster 08-08-20 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21629049)
It had a barely functioning Perry single speed hub (wartime?) so I swapped in a 60's F&S Duomatic with a 22 tooth cog and it's perfect for flat landing. Canadian 28" wheels which are equal to 700c.
Sachs coaster brakes are generally flawless and dependable or I wouldn't let the most important person in the world ride it. Yes the chain could break but it's a newish Renolds Coventry with master link and I assure you, Elizabeth rides slow and steady. At some point you've got to let someone take responsibility.
BTW, this is the same woman who decided that when we got pregnant with our first child, we'd need a vintage motorcycle. When the second child was conceived, we got another. Vintage motorcycle that is. Then vintage cars, houses, etc.

The tire on my Canadian rim is marked
40-622 (700 x 38C 28 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/2)
Confusing?

clubman 08-08-20 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21629682)
The tire on my Canadian rim is marked
40-622 (700 x 38C 28 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/2)
Confusing?

Typical for us it seems.

gster 08-09-20 08:42 AM

As predicted, the Bridgestone 3 speed conversion came back
to have the bars turned up.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf968fc906.jpg
As cool as these Scorchers look, the riding position doesn't suit everyone.
Myself included.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f30878ec2e.jpg

Bars have been flipped and the headset needed a little tighten up.
Archie Bell and the Drells
Tighten Up.


JohnDThompson 08-09-20 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21629682)
The tire on my Canadian rim is marked
40-622 (700 x 38C 28 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/2) Confusing?

You just have to train yourself to ignore everything except the ETRTO/ISO size designation: 40-622

oldveloman 08-10-20 05:11 AM

BSA 3-speed hub
 
A few weeks ago, I finally laced my NOS BSA 3-speed hub in the rusty rim of my '54 BSA Tourer.
In de box of NOS spokes I have, I was lucky enough to find the right length, number AND quantity of spokes needed :)
First job, was checking the hub, to see if there was enough oil and grease in it.
The oil seemed to have evaporated over the years and I was surprised to find only a minimal amount of grease in is too, as can be seen below...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fbb7eb83cd.jpg

After servicing the hub, lacing could begin...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a86cea166e.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe4b680fbd.jpg

Trial fitting the finished wheel on the bike. Its stablemate saw all was well :thumb:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5baad652ef.jpg

Been doing some 50 km since and glad to have this lovely bicycle back on the road. Missed it...

Peter

gster 08-10-20 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21632696)
A few weeks ago, I finally laced my NOS BSA 3-speed hub in the rusty rim of my '54 BSA Tourer.
In de box of NOS spokes I have, I was lucky enough to find the right length, number AND quantity of spokes needed :)
First job, was checking the hub, to see if there was enough oil and grease in it.
The oil seemed to have evaporated over the years and I was surprised to find only a minimal amount of grease in is too, as can be seen below...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fbb7eb83cd.jpg

After servicing the hub, lacing could begin...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a86cea166e.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe4b680fbd.jpg

Trial fitting the finished wheel on the bike. Its stablemate saw all was well :thumb:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5baad652ef.jpg

Been doing some 50 km since and glad to have this lovely bicycle back on the road. Missed it...

Peter

Perhaps a photo of the bike, and the BSA motorcycle as well...

W.L.SOON 08-10-20 06:39 AM

5 Grand for a Raleigh Tourist?🤤Really guys?
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Highly-Coll...edirect=mobile

gster 08-10-20 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21632778)

the seller says the value will only go up!
How can you loose?

Ballenxj 08-10-20 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21633257)
the seller says the value will only go up!
How can you loose?

You stand to lose a lot if you listen to this greedy seller. :eek:

oldveloman 08-10-20 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21632721)
Perhaps a photo of the bike, and the BSA motorcycle as well...

Here' s the 1954 BSA Roadster:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...584341f36c.jpg

And the 1967 BSA B40WD motorbike:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ce68a28f0.jpg

Peter

gster 08-10-20 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21633264)
You stand to lose a lot if you listen to this greedy seller. :eek:

Are you suggesting that things on the internet may not be true**********

gster 08-10-20 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21633484)
Here' s the 1954 BSA Roadster:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...584341f36c.jpg

And the 1967 BSA B40WD motorbike:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ce68a28f0.jpg

Peter

Thx.
Most of the BSA motorbikes that came to North America were 500/650/750's
Nice to see a 350

Ballenxj 08-10-20 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21633554)
Are you suggesting that things on the internet may not be true**********

Especially from that person. ;)


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