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noglider 08-05-18 08:37 AM

@browngw, I don't really like the Tourist model. I mean it's fine for some folks, but it's not for me. But man, that is a WORK OF ART!

noglider 08-05-18 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20489115)
has anyone tried bigger cogs?

high gear is useless to me. not strong enough to use it ...except on downhilll...but i dont ride fast downhill for safety.

Absolutely. We've talked about it before here. It's a very useful thing. Here is my Rudge at my former home in Maplewood, New Jersey. Maplewood is a very hilly town. I replaced the 18T cog with a 24T cog. That's a little hard to find, and an easier-to-get 22T is good enough for most people. I even hauled stuff in my trailer with this setup. High gear was still useful. I just coasted down the steepest hill.

The bike now lives at my mother in law's place in Florida. I ride it once a year. Florida is flat, so now I can't use first gear, but it's windy there, so having gears is still useful. I should replace the cog with something smaller, but given that I only ride it once a year, it doesn't make a difference.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vA...w1600-h1195-no

JaccoW 08-05-18 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20489115)
has anyone tried bigger cogs?

high gear is useless to me. not strong enough to use it ...except on downhilll...but i dont ride fast downhill for safety.

Tried a 28T and 16T combo with a derailleur. Worked fine but you might want to order a new clip to hold everything in place if you go for the really extreme sizes. ;)

Plenty of options here. I've seen 12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20/21/22/23/24/26/28 in both straight/offset and 3/32 or 1/8 sizing.

I would suggest playing around with this link to see which size you prefer. (just slide the cogs to your preferred size)
http://i.imgur.com/VuwhyU5.png

thumpism 08-05-18 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20489115)
has anyone tried bigger cogs?

high gear is useless to me. not strong enough to use it ...except on downhilll...but i dont ride fast downhill for safety.

24T for me also on my Sports, cog from a Shimano Nexus 3-speed but I also have a Sturmey 22T in the wings.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...057db30ef7.jpg

thumpism 08-05-18 05:15 PM

From the Seinfeld episode The Handicap Spot, "Love the Drake!"

Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20488083)
Here's a 21" Drake S-A 3-speed for sale in the Boston area for small money. One of those downmarket Raleighs, I suppose:

https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bi...660628478.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00H0H_...sv_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00T0T_...KP_600x450.jpg


Kilroy1988 08-05-18 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20489051)
Hopefully the dye will "fix" and it won't come off on my pants.
Recommend you do this outside as this dye is quite permanent.
The finish is quite nice. I would call it a satin finish with minimal sheen.

A nice, even job from the look of things.

But be warned, it will do likely both fix and rub off! Especially on the newer saddle, which already has fibers full of other dye and oils and waxes, it's possible that a majority of your application will come off after some use and leave it rather drab looking. Once that happens just go back and do it again!

I've been using Fiebing's dyes for professional leather work for over a decade, mostly on fresh vegetable tanned leather where it can absorb best. Even then I lose a reasonable amount of most applications - I rub dyed areas with clean cloths quite liberally to remove excess dye before moving on to sealing oils or waxes.

I would definitely suggest going back more than once to buff out the surface of the saddles with clean cloths before attempting to ride on them. Once you have virtually nothing coming off on the cloths, it's safe to say that you can ride, but I wouldn't start out with your favorite shorts... Sweat and the impressive friction created by a pair of legs versus a hand and a cloth will likely draw even more dye out.

Good luck!

-Gregory

BigChief 08-05-18 09:05 PM

I don't have the LED bulbs yet, but I'm calling it finished. There's good continuity through the whole system now. It should work...hmmmm. This headlamp never worked from day one. The ring tab coming from the center contact for the bulb was never stripped and connected to the tab. The tab was just crimped onto the insulation.I replaced the wire and reused the brass tab. The back of the front mudguard was a mess. Crunched and rusted away. Odd because there was no other bad rust damage on the bike. It is the original though. I trimmed off about 3/4" and reinforced the lower 3 inches of thinned out steel with JB Weld and painted the underside. Also did some touch up on the primary surface and did my best to blend it in. I replaced the threaded driver and 18T cog with a splined straight leg driver and 20T cog. New chain. All new bearings. I repaired the original cloth cable housings and repaired the bent 3 or 4 speed trigger shifter. The handlebar grips are old and English, but not original to the bike. I used a 70s ESGE Raleigh marked kickstand. I painted a regular Sunlite pump black. A pair of older Dunlop Sport tires are still on the bike for now. They seem to be in reasonable shape. So, here's the official all done photos.
1951 Rudge Sports
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3efc1b1436.jpg

nlerner 08-05-18 09:23 PM

Nice job, BigChief!

Ballenxj 08-05-18 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20490365)
I don't have the LED bulbs yet, but I'm calling it finished.
<-------->
So, here's the official all done photos.
1951 Rudge Sports.

Man, that is NICE! Looks to be my size, and year. I LOVE it! :thumb:
Congrats on getting the wiring sorted.

gster 08-06-18 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 20490106)
A nice, even job from the look of things.

But be warned, it will do likely both fix and rub off! Especially on the newer saddle, which already has fibers full of other dye and oils and waxes, it's possible that a majority of your application will come off after some use and leave it rather drab looking. Once that happens just go back and do it again!

I've been using Fiebing's dyes for professional leather work for over a decade, mostly on fresh vegetable tanned leather where it can absorb best. Even then I lose a reasonable amount of most applications - I rub dyed areas with clean cloths quite liberally to remove excess dye before moving on to sealing oils or waxes.

I would definitely suggest going back more than once to buff out the surface of the saddles with clean cloths before attempting to ride on them. Once you have virtually nothing coming off on the cloths, it's safe to say that you can ride, but I wouldn't start out with your favorite shorts... Sweat and the impressive friction created by a pair of legs versus a hand and a cloth will likely draw even more dye out.

Good luck!

-Gregory

Thanks for the advice.
I did give them a good buffing and
took the old saddle out for a spin.
So far so good.
Most of my shorts are ruined anyways from work.
My name is also Greg.

clubman 08-06-18 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20490389)
Nice job, BigChief!

+1 or 2! Black is best.

gster 08-06-18 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20490365)
I don't have the LED bulbs yet, but I'm calling it finished. There's good continuity through the whole system now. It should work...hmmmm. This headlamp never worked from day one. The ring tab coming from the center contact for the bulb was never stripped and connected to the tab. The tab was just crimped onto the insulation.I replaced the wire and reused the brass tab. The back of the front mudguard was a mess. Crunched and rusted away. Odd because there was no other bad rust damage on the bike. It is the original though. I trimmed off about 3/4" and reinforced the lower 3 inches of thinned out steel with JB Weld and painted the underside. Also did some touch up on the primary surface and did my best to blend it in. I replaced the threaded driver and 18T cog with a splined straight leg driver and 20T cog. New chain. All new bearings. I repaired the original cloth cable housings and repaired the bent 3 or 4 speed trigger shifter. The handlebar grips are old and English, but not original to the bike. I used a 70s ESGE Raleigh marked kickstand. I painted a regular Sunlite pump black. A pair of older Dunlop Sport tires are still on the bike for now. They seem to be in reasonable shape. So, here's the official all done photos.
1951 Rudge Sports
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3efc1b1436.jpg

Classic

Buellster 08-06-18 07:22 AM

The rudge looks beautiful bigchief!

gster 08-06-18 07:32 AM

Robin Hood!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...26c538cbe4.jpg

My friend Mark K. was over the other day and took the Robin Hood for a quick spin.

He pointed out that the left crank seemed off and on close inspection, it does seem to have a slight inward curve to it.

Time for the Johnson bar!

Buellster 08-06-18 07:36 AM

In search of a beautiful chainring
 
I love the look of the old front chainrings with the cottered cranks. I had hoped to put one onto my conversion project but that is seeming unlikely. Are thier any options for newer cogs that have that vintage look but dont break the bank? Or are there any years I can look for on some bikes that moved away from cottered cranks but still had the detail on the cog design?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6d7ff20563.jpg

Example: Its just a basic front cog on a Raleigh sport, bur compared to the new front cogs it feels like art.

gster 08-06-18 07:41 AM

Saddle Bags!
I'm taking advantage of some free time to fix a lot of things around the house, bicycles included.
The stitching on the bottom of these old saddle bags had come apart so they've been fixed.
A trick from a former student.
Instead of thread I used dental floss.
We'll see if it holds up.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20f65fb3e0.jpg
Maybe I should go out and deliver the mail or some newspapers.

gster 08-06-18 07:50 AM

OT
The garage where most of the bikes are stored (as well as a couple of vintage cars) took a major hit in the spring from
a fallen limb. Thankfully, the damage was minimal. Bikes and cars were all OK.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...76db0c3e51.jpg
It's pretty much back in shape with a bit more work to complete this week.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5d5cfbd9df.jpg

Ballenxj 08-06-18 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20490862)
Saddle Bags!
I'm taking advantage of some free time to fix a lot of things around the house, bicycles included.
The stitching on the bottom of these old saddle bags had come apart so they've been fixed.
A trick from a former student.
Instead of thread I used dental floss.
We'll see if it holds up.

I have heard about using dental floss before, and that makes me wonder how well monofilament fishing line might work? Nice bike postedl. :thumb:
Saddle bags on a three speed classic is, well, classic. ;)
Glad to hear none of your classics inside that tree struck building were hurt.

gster 08-06-18 08:47 AM

Cranky Cranks
Something is completely f**ked with the left crank on the Robin Hood.
The pedal simply WON'T come off, which leads me to believe it's been cross threaded on.
This is the first pedal ever, that wouldn't break free.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f8beccb8d.jpg
In any case, I've replaced that crank with a spare (square cut as opposed to rounded) and it
seems to help.
The bike still seems to be a wanderer but then again, so was Robin Hood.
A nice fresh pair of MKS pedals to finish.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4503d350a3.jpg

gster 08-06-18 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20490920)
I have heard about using dental floss before, and that makes me wonder how well monofilament fishing line might work? Nice bike postedl. :thumb:
Saddle bags on a three speed classic is, well, classic. ;)
Glad to hear none of your classics inside that tree struck building were hurt.

Thanks.
Mono could be a good choice as well.

RobbieAG 08-06-18 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20488042)
has any using those expensive Schwalbe Marathon tires?
i need something that is more resistence to puncture then Kenda.

I put Schwalbe Marathons on my Raleigh Twenty after getting a flat with Kendas. No flats since! I'm very pleased with them.

RobbieAG 08-06-18 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20491018)
Does the Marathon make the ride harsher?

I haven't noticed the ride being harsher with the Marathons vs the Kendas.

JaccoW 08-06-18 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20490854)
I love the look of the old front chainrings with the cottered cranks. I had hoped to put one onto my conversion project but that is seeming unlikely. Are thier any options for newer cogs that have that vintage look but dont break the bank? Or are there any years I can look for on some bikes that moved away from cottered cranks but still had the detail on the cog.

UK or French eBay is my advice. I've seen plenty of Raleigh cranks in excellent condition on the eBay.co.uk

Your main cost will be shipping.

Buellster 08-06-18 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 20491042)
UK or French eBay is my advice. I've seen plenty of Raleigh cranks in excellent condition on the eBay.co.uk

Your main cost will be shipping.

I saw some but many seem to be the old cottered cranks and I dont believe that I can mount a cog for cottered crank on a newer style square taper.

Buellster 08-06-18 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20485614)
A 1/8Ē chain will work fine on a chainring designed for a 3/32 chain. You just canít go in the other direction (i.e., canít run a 3/32Ē chain on a Raleigh Heron crankset).


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20485606)
If your plan is to convert this bike to a 3 speed then I would build your wheel as planned, leave the BB and crank as is
and then swap out the rear cog on the hub to suit your riding style. Standard factory cog was a 18T but new cogs are inexpensive and you
can move up to a 22T. I prefer a 20T.
Only problem could be chain size, as a 10 speed chain is different than a 3 speed.
I'm pretty sure you can get a rear cog compatible with the existing ring.
I wouldn't start any work until you have a compatible rear cog.
Even then you'll have to pack out the hub for a good fit...
Or, wait for a taller Raleigh.

Okay so I'm a little lost with this. You guys are only referring to rear cogs right? How many teeth does my front chainring need to have?
Id that as important?
2 Dumb questions
This current set up in the pic has a 2x biopace on the front. I'm assuming that the biopace oval shape is completley incompatible with a three speed?
I am also assuming you cant use anything but a 1x crank, and that you cannot use a front derailur and change your front gears with a internally geared rear? (I feel like I know the answer to both of these but asking and knowing seems better than thinking so).


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