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gster 04-26-19 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20902820)
I've got a Kay chainwheel. Will try to find.

There's someone on the CCM forum quite interested in Kay bikes.
https://www.vintageccm.com/content/s...cycles-toronto

https://vintageccm.com/content/thoma...-alexander-kay

paulb_in_bkln 04-27-19 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20901653)
Dunno, but apparently the bike's current owner bought it from someone else, with the 650B conversion having already been done. I've considered a similar build before, partly for the ability to make one of these bikes more useful in the winter, since studded tires actually exist in that size.

I also was thinking it could be the wider selection of tires in 650b. (I have endless admiration for Grant Petersen but so wish he'd adopted 650a, not b.)

gster 04-27-19 06:08 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ee02a4258.jpg

https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.c...he-1890s-city/

gster 04-27-19 07:13 AM

Central Park NYC (OT)
Central Park, despite being man made, is a good example of
the original topography of Manhattan Island.
When the original street grid was laid out,(1811, north of Houston) land owners were
obliged to either raise or lower their properties to grade.
Here's a great photo of Hell's Kitchen showing a property that
had not yet been graded.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f35f50021a.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 04-27-19 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20903141)
Central Park NYC (OT)
Central Park, despite being man made, is a good example of
the original topography of Manhattan Island.
When the original street grid was laid out,(1811, north of Houston) land owners were
obliged to either raise or lower their properties to grade.
Here's a great photo of Hell's Kitchen showing a property that
had not yet been graded.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f35f50021a.jpg

Good old photo. It's a natural thing to wonder how the island got so uniformly flat.

ascherer 04-27-19 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20903141)
Central Park NYC (OT)
Central Park, despite being man made, is a good example of
the original topography of Manhattan Island.
When the original street grid was laid out,(1811, north of Houston) land owners were
obliged to either raise or lower their properties to grade.
Here's a great photo of Hell's Kitchen showing a property that
had not yet been graded.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f35f50021a.jpg

What a cool photo! Most of Central Park's current topography was created when it was built. From the Central Park site: "The building of Central Park was one of nineteenth-century New York's most massive public works projects. Some 20,000 workers--Yankee engineers, Irish laborers, German gardeners, and native-born stonecutters--reshaped the site's topography to create the pastoral landscape. After blasting out rocky ridges with more gunpowder than was later fired at the Battle of Gettysburg, workers moved nearly 3 million cubic yards of soil and planted more than 270,000 trees and shrubs."

I've read that Olmstead and Vaux designed the park to take advantage of some of the topography. Much of it is slightly below street level so as to block seeing the busy streets from the park sight lines. My apartment faces one of the highest points in the Park, known as The Great Hill, a 4-story high rocky outcrop topped by a beautiful spot called the Children's Glade. During the spring and summer we can't see the rocks.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c968ee3ec9.jpg

Manhattan has been completely recreated almost from the beginning of colonization. save for the northwest tip at Inwood Hill Park "...a living piece of old New York. Evidence of its prehistoric roots exists as dramatic caves, valleys, and ridges left as the result of shifting glaciers. Evidence of its uninhabited state afterward remains as its forest and salt marsh (the last natural one in Manhattan), and evidence of its use by Native Americans in the 17th century continues to be discovered. Much has occurred on the land that now composes Inwood Hill Park since the arrival of European colonists in the 17th and 18th centuries, but luckily, most of the park was largely untouched by the wars and development that took place."

And they are both great places to ride English 3-speed bikes!

gster 04-27-19 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 20903838)
What a cool photo! Most of Central Park's current topography was created when it was built. From the Central Park site: "The building of Central Park was one of nineteenth-century New York's most massive public works projects. Some 20,000 workers--Yankee engineers, Irish laborers, German gardeners, and native-born stonecutters--reshaped the site's topography to create the pastoral landscape. After blasting out rocky ridges with more gunpowder than was later fired at the Battle of Gettysburg, workers moved nearly 3 million cubic yards of soil and planted more than 270,000 trees and shrubs."

I've read that Olmstead and Vaux designed the park to take advantage of some of the topography. Much of it is slightly below street level so as to block seeing the busy streets from the park sight lines. My apartment faces one of the highest points in the Park, known as The Great Hill, a 4-story high rocky outcrop topped by a beautiful spot called the Children's Glade. During the spring and summer we can't see the rocks.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c968ee3ec9.jpg

Manhattan has been completely recreated almost from the beginning of colonization. save for the northwest tip at Inwood Hill Park "...a living piece of old New York. Evidence of its prehistoric roots exists as dramatic caves, valleys, and ridges left as the result of shifting glaciers. Evidence of its uninhabited state afterward remains as its forest and salt marsh (the last natural one in Manhattan), and evidence of its use by Native Americans in the 17th century continues to be discovered. Much has occurred on the land that now composes Inwood Hill Park since the arrival of European colonists in the 17th and 18th centuries, but luckily, most of the park was largely untouched by the wars and development that took place."

And they are both great places to ride English 3-speed bikes!

Good history.
My first time in NYC was 1970 with my Mother (Midnight Cowboy, Taxi driver..).
As an adult, my wife and I visit at least once a year and search out some of our favourite
places (Fanelli's etc)
and to look for some new ones.
Last November we spent a pleasant and expensive afternoon at
the Campbell Apartments in Grand Central Station.
We didn't see the ghost...
Never ridden a bike though.

BigChief 04-27-19 08:41 PM

All these years later and we're still scorching!

ascherer 04-27-19 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20903977)
Good history.
My first time in NYC was 1970 with my Mother (Midnight Cowboy, Taxi driver..).
As an adult, my wife and I visit at least once a year and search out some of our favourite
places (Fanelli's etc)
and to look for some new ones.
Last November we spent a pleasant and expensive afternoon at
the Campbell Apartments in Grand Central Station.
We didn't see the ghost...
Never ridden a bike though.

Next time you're here, let me know!

gster 04-28-19 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 20904070)
Next time you're here, let me know!

Will do,
probably in the fall.

gster 04-28-19 05:47 AM

They're Still Out There
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1937859cd0.jpg
A Triumph Ladies 3 Speed (early '70's ?)
for sale here in Toronto.
$100.00 OBO.
Looks to be fairly clean and complete.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa11b6ea84.jpg
1930 Hercules Update.
I've taken the NOS rim and hub to a bike shop (Riders)
near me to have a front wheel built.
I thought I might do it myself but this way
I know it will:
a- get done
b-be built properly
Should be ready for Tuesday...
These rod brakes/brackets etc are a real devil to
install and set up....

clubman 04-28-19 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gster (Post 20902101)

It has a certain symmetry with that contraption in front of the store. 1941, made by Williams, a 3/16" gauge and 180mm arm. Could be NOS.

gster 04-28-19 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20904463)
It has a certain symmetry with that contraption in front of the store. 1941, made by Williams, a 3/16" gauge and 180mm arm. Could be NOS.

Nice.
Maybe post on the CCM forum as there's a guy
looking for stuff for a project bike.

BigChief 04-28-19 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20904297)
They're Still Out There
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1937859cd0.jpg
A Triumph Ladies 3 Speed (early '70's ?)
for sale here in Toronto.
$100.00 OBO.
Looks to be fairly clean and complete.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa11b6ea84.jpg
1930 Hercules Update.
I've taken the NOS rim and hub to a bike shop (Riders)
near me to have a front wheel built.
I thought I might do it myself but this way
I know it will:
a- get done
b-be built properly
Should be ready for Tuesday...
These rod brakes/brackets etc are a real devil to
install and set up....

Are those the old style short rod brake handlebar grips I see? Where did you find them?

gster 04-28-19 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20904991)
Are those the old style short rod brake handlebar grips I see? Where did you find them?

The complete bar set came from a company in Owen Sound (Canada)
that mainly does motorcycle salvage but must have bought out an
old bicycle shop.
Lot's of NOS stock.
Hoop Rider
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/category/bicycle%20parts
worth checking out.
Check the drop down menu

gster 04-28-19 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20904991)
Are those the old style short rod brake handlebar grips I see? Where did you find them?

I've had to take some liberties with this bike as
some of the plated parts were too far gone.
Wheels, tires, cranks, Chain ring, bars, chain are all new or NOS.
The frame, fork, seat post and brake linkage, original.
I've probably spent more on this one than any other bike but
hope it will be worthwhile.

Bike-$75.00 (delivered)
Back wheel NOS -$20.00
SA Freewheel-free
Chain-$15.00
Pedals-$25.00
Cotters-$4.00
Half link-$5.00
Bar set (used)-$35.00
Saddle-from stock
Front rim NOS -$20
Front spindle - $16.00
Wheel Build -$100.00
New Tyres/tubes -free
New brake pads-free
Rust remover-$35.00
Paint/grease /bearings/supplies -$15.00
Time spent -Priceless

Still looking for a rear reflector and a
front fender emblem.
I'd like to finish this one up as I've pulled the
old boat of the garage today....
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2cf0ffb475.jpg

3speedslow 04-28-19 06:42 PM

Damn! I was wondering when it would show up again! Hoot!!

rickpaulos 04-28-19 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20894431)
That's the right answer.
I'm just impatient and cheap.
I'll have access to some free welding/favours next month.

A proper fix would be brass brazing. Most lugged frames were brass brazed, not welded.

PeterLYoung 04-29-19 03:01 AM

Restoration of 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman
 
I have mentioned before I have acquired a 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman bicycle from it original owner who bought it new in 1948. This Clubman was one of a trio of versions produced by Raleigh ie. Rudge, Raleigh and Humber, I have read on Sheldon that the Humber version is the rarest of the three. I am already working on the restoration of a Dayton Roadmaster so the Humber is waiting next in line, while it sits and waits I am acquiring the parts I want to get it back to original specification (or as close as possible). One item I needed was a correct period shifter for the Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub, I guess that when the owner could no longer cope with dropped bars and he converted it to straight bars, the SA shifter was replaced with a modern one also the pedals were changed from Rat Trap to rubber treaded ones. I searched for the period shifter I needed having referred to Martin Hanczyc's very helpful Sturmey Archer Shifter Timeline, to my great surprise the one I wanted turned up on eBay (for a very high price I might add), these are pretty rare as far as I can determine so I took a deep breath and purchased it. Here it is, it looks it might never had been installed on a bicycle, the mechanism is tight, no wear apparent, externally it is almost like new with very few blemishes. It was only produced in this form from 1948 to 1953 as it has the old patent number after 1953 the patent number was replaced by the new one. For me this is a great find. Only Pedals, Brake Levers and Mudguards (Fenders) left to find.
I will be getting Mercian to refinish the frame in correct original colour (the paintwork is original). Transfers/Decals are unobtainable so I have an artist producing the artwork for Lloyds to produce a set for me.
I have promised the original owner who is well into his eighties that I will show him the bike when it is completed.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2dca085db2.jpg
1948 Humber Beeston Clubman. Originally had dropped handlebars with Stem held by Pinch Clamp. A Blog member in USA has kindly supplied a correct Stem (Pinch Clamp type) & Bars so I can put it back to original configuration.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c96ae1dc2c.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...87cac60fec.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c2f78aa48.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cba483b525.jpg

Extract from Martin Hanczyc's web page on SA shifters.

PeterLYoung 04-29-19 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20905082)
I've had to take some liberties with this bike as
some of the plated parts were too far gone.
Wheels, tires, cranks, Chain ring, bars, chain are all new or NOS.
The frame, fork, seat post and brake linkage, original.
I've probably spent more on this one than any other bike but
hope it will be worthwhile.

Bike-$75.00 (delivered)
Back wheel NOS -$20.00
SA Freewheel-free
Chain-$15.00
Pedals-$25.00
Cotters-$4.00
Half link-$5.00
Bar set (used)-$35.00
Saddle-from stock
Front rim NOS -$20
Front spindle - $16.00
Wheel Build -$100.00
New Tyres/tubes -free
New brake pads-free
Rust remover-$35.00
Paint/grease /bearings/supplies -$15.00
Time spent -Priceless

Still looking for a rear reflector and a
front fender emblem.
I'd like to finish this one up as I've pulled the
old boat of the garage today....
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2cf0ffb475.jpg

STUNNING BOAT: Love that style of speedboat. It will be beautiful when finished. One comment, is that rust creeping through lower bow, should be copper nails, if screws 316 stainless works.

BigChief 04-29-19 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20905029)
The complete bar set came from a company in Owen Sound (Canada)
that mainly does motorcycle salvage but must have bought out an
old bicycle shop.
Lot's of NOS stock.
Hoop Rider
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/category/bicycle%20parts
worth checking out.
Check the drop down menu

So they came on the handlebars.They must be quite old. What a stroke of luck. Funny how after you look at old bikes long enough small details stand out. My eye wants to see them on pre war rod brake roadsters. I don't know the thinking behind this, but all of the English manufacturers seemed to use the short grips on rod brake bikes and longer ones on caliper brake bikes. Not sure when this changed. My 1970 DL-1 came with the same full length Dare grips as the Sports.

gster 04-29-19 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20905508)
I have mentioned before I have acquired a 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman bicycle from it original owner who bought it new in 1948. This Clubman was one of a trio of versions produced by Raleigh ie. Rudge, Raleigh and Humber, I have read on Sheldon that the Humber version is the rarest of the three. I am already working on the restoration of a Dayton Roadmaster so the Humber is waiting next in line, while it sits and waits I am acquiring the parts I want to get it back to original specification (or as close as possible). One item I needed was a correct period shifter for the Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub, I guess that when the owner could no longer cope with dropped bars and he converted it to straight bars, the SA shifter was replaced with a modern one also the pedals were changed from Rat Trap to rubber treaded ones. I searched for the period shifter I needed having referred to Martin Hanczyc's very helpful Sturmey Archer Shifter Timeline, to my great surprise the one I wanted turned up on eBay (for a very high price I might add), these are pretty rare as far as I can determine so I took a deep breath and purchased it. Here it is, it looks it might never had been installed on a bicycle, the mechanism is tight, no wear apparent, externally it is almost like new with very few blemishes. It was only produced in this form from 1948 to 1953 as it has the old patent number after 1953 the patent number was replaced by the new one. For me this is a great find. Only Pedals, Brake Levers and Mudguards (Fenders) left to find.
I will be getting Mercian to refinish the frame in correct original colour (the paintwork is original). Transfers/Decals are unobtainable so I have an artist producing the artwork for Lloyds to produce a set for me.
I have promised the original owner who is well into his eighties that I will show him the bike when it is completed.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2dca085db2.jpg
1948 Humber Beeston Clubman. Originally had dropped handlebars with Stem held by Pinch Clamp. A Blog member in USA has kindly supplied a correct Stem (Pinch Clamp type) & Bars so I can put it back to original configuration.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c96ae1dc2c.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...87cac60fec.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c2f78aa48.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cba483b525.jpg

Extract from Martin Hanczyc's web page on SA shifters.

That is a nice trigger.
I applaud your dedication to originality.
Good to know that Lloyd's will make custom
transfers from your artwork.
Please keep us updated on the progress.

PeterLYoung 04-29-19 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20905537)
So they came on the handlebars.They must be quite old. What a stroke of luck. Funny how after you look at old bikes long enough small details stand out. My eye wants to see them on pre war rod brake roadsters. I don't know the thinking behind this, but all of the English manufacturers seemed to use the short grips on rod brake bikes and longer ones on caliper brake bikes. Not sure when this changed. My 1970 DL-1 came with the same full length Dare grips as the Sports.

https://www.hoopriderparts.com/Cyclo..._17463464.aspx
They have lots of interesting stuff including a NOS Benelux Derailleur click above, early pattern, where would you find one!!!!
I bought a set of NOS Bluemels 27" Fenders.

BigChief 04-29-19 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20905508)
I have mentioned before I have acquired a 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman bicycle from it original owner who bought it new in 1948. This Clubman was one of a trio of versions produced by Raleigh ie. Rudge, Raleigh and Humber, I have read on Sheldon that the Humber version is the rarest of the three. I am already working on the restoration of a Dayton Roadmaster so the Humber is waiting next in line, while it sits and waits I am acquiring the parts I want to get it back to original specification (or as close as possible). One item I needed was a correct period shifter for the Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed hub, I guess that when the owner could no longer cope with dropped bars and he converted it to straight bars, the SA shifter was replaced with a modern one also the pedals were changed from Rat Trap to rubber treaded ones. I searched for the period shifter I needed having referred to Martin Hanczyc's very helpful Sturmey Archer Shifter Timeline, to my great surprise the one I wanted turned up on eBay (for a very high price I might add), these are pretty rare as far as I can determine so I took a deep breath and purchased it. Here it is, it looks it might never had been installed on a bicycle, the mechanism is tight, no wear apparent, externally it is almost like new with very few blemishes. It was only produced in this form from 1948 to 1953 as it has the old patent number after 1953 the patent number was replaced by the new one. For me this is a great find. Only Pedals, Brake Levers and Mudguards (Fenders) left to find.
I will be getting Mercian to refinish the frame in correct original colour (the paintwork is original). Transfers/Decals are unobtainable so I have an artist producing the artwork for Lloyds to produce a set for me.
I have promised the original owner who is well into his eighties that I will show him the bike when it is completed.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2dca085db2.jpg
1948 Humber Beeston Clubman. Originally had dropped handlebars with Stem held by Pinch Clamp. A Blog member in USA has kindly supplied a correct Stem (Pinch Clamp type) & Bars so I can put it back to original configuration.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c96ae1dc2c.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...87cac60fec.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c2f78aa48.jpg
Sturmey Archer GC2 1948/53.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cba483b525.jpg

Extract from Martin Hanczyc's web page on SA shifters.

Actually, yours is the second style trigger shifter which is a good thing. This one has the far superior design with an internal spring and uses the same sausage cable end as modern triggers. Good find. The first style uses a lolly pop type cable end, has a longer lever and an external spring which tends to get lost.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...817e541b50.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0bcaca2bf9.jpg

gster 04-29-19 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20905193)
Damn! I was wondering when it would show up again! Hoot!!

The boat spent the winter in the garage above the car.
I did buy a vintage (1965) Mercury 500 (50hp) motor.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8643ae9fb9.jpg
The motor is currently at a Marine shop in Bracebridge and I've been collecting
hardware and cleats over the winter.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0b2914b8d0.jpg

Hopefully in the water buy July.


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