Carbon fiber bike life span
I saw many opinions saying that a road carbon fiber bike should be changed after 6,7,10 years, to avoid risk of carbon failure. However, talking about the large pool of riders of carbon bikes from reputable brands, outside of professionals or hard racing world, I wonder:
How many road riders from above category experienced carbon fiber failure from normal riding (no hard crash or misuse), and how long (years or km) did it take for such failure to occur? |
imo; neglect is likely the cause for most carbon failures. I'd expect someone that had steel/aluminum/Ti bicycles & jumped to a CF bicycle, that they might be a little careless at times. (it: lean a CF on a tree & it rolls forward & slams onto a curb)
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Shouldn't you also include those that ride other types of bikes. Won't do much good to know about the stat's for CF if we don't know the stat's for steel, aluminum, titanium and bamboo.
I use to see a lot of videos where head tube and fork assemblies came off of steel and aluminum BMX bikes when the top and bottom tubes weren't properly lugged. |
This one is over drinking age, and has fallen down a bunch of times. Still going...
https://i.imgur.com/JBvU9zA.jpg My 2003 Time road bike is doing fine, too. |
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22700981)
Shouldn't you also include those that ride other types of bikes. Won't do much good to know about the stat's for CF if we don't know the stat's for steel, aluminum, titanium and bamboo.
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My 2013 and 2016 carbon bikes are still going strong without any issues. I agree that care/maintenance is the biggest determinant, but that applies to everything.
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My 1992 TVT travelled 40,000 km on the road and then 34,000 km on Zwift before being retired. It shows no visible signs of fatigue or wear other than paint and clearcoat rubbing off. I'm not worried and I do check tubes and joints on all my bikes regularly.
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Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 22700980)
imo; neglect is likely the cause for most carbon failures.
Rode my 2003 LeMond a couple days ago -- with the original cf fork. Almost 20 yrs old, probably about 45k miles. Honestly, why do people worry about this? |
I had a Madone 5.0. Rear aluminum drop out broke. Can be fixed by Trek under warranty buuuuut when Trek inspected it they found a crack hidden under the paint of the top tube about 4 inches from the headset. Not visable. Bet the the drop out had not broken I’d still be riding it.
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I'm still riding the pants off this '95 Trek 5500....
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6ed646d3_k.jpgA29BF05F-70FB-4332-A953-96B457AFEB3C Dean |
Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 22701053)
Honestly, why do people worry about this? |
Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 22701053)
If anything, cf is less prone to damage from neglect. It doesn't corrode, it doesn't dent, it doesn't bend.
Rode my 2003 LeMond a couple days ago -- with the original cf fork. Almost 20 yrs old, probably about 45k miles. Honestly, why do people worry about this? |
My 2007 carbon monocoque Fuji frame is still solid. No cracks or suspicious looking areas. Still rides great. Also, the carbon Reynolds fork on it is even older, and has no issues.
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I don't know if there is any set age, although I've heard people discourage riding Carbon Fiber bikes from the 1970's. One of the issues with the oldest carbon fiber bikes with metal lugs is the bonding coming loose.
My Colnago C40 is about 25 years old, and still a sweet bike. Not overly babied. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a476d9635b.jpg One issue that some carbon fiber bikes have had is pealing clear coats. |
Longer than Titanium for sure.
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My CF road bike is fairly young still, just 22300 km on it.
Has been ridden on not very pristine roads and crashed a number of times, but I can't tell it rides any differently and I can see it going for years of hard riding more, provided I don't crash hard enough. In a couple of years I will be probably treating myself to a new bike, not because there's anything wrong with this one, but just because, well, why not? Probably a good idea to keep this one for the kinds of races with a higher probability of crashing. |
You could bump a 20 year old CF frame longevity thread and ask posters to update how their bikes have held up.
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Originally Posted by datlas
(Post 22701357)
You could bump a 20 year old CF frame longevity thread and ask posters to update how their bikes have held up.
:innocent: But... I wanted to "count" the failures during normal use, and the km or time period until the failure occurred. That might give a more practical perspective over the lifespan of a carbon bike for common users - as opposite to many articles that mix normal usage, poor construction, crashes, misuses and abuses - etc, to come up with a general and useless conclusion that, yes, carbon bikes fails, so you should replace your bike with a new one from time to time, for safety reasons... |
Originally Posted by Redbullet
(Post 22701386)
Good idea.
But... I wanted to "count" the failures during normal use, and the km or time period until the failure occurred. That might give a more practical perspective over the lifespan of a carbon bike for common users - as opposite to many articles that mix normal usage, poor construction, crashes, misuses and abuses - etc, to come up with a general and useless conclusion that, yes, carbon bikes fails, so you should replace your bike with a new one from time to time, for safety reasons... Consensus is that properly made and non-damaged CF should last a very long time. |
Originally Posted by Redbullet
(Post 22701386)
Good idea.
But... I wanted to "count" the failures during normal use, and the km or time period until the failure occurred. That might give a more practical perspective over the lifespan of a carbon bike for common users - as opposite to many articles that mix normal usage, poor construction, crashes, misuses and abuses - etc, to come up with a general and useless conclusion that, yes, carbon bikes fails, so you should replace your bike with a new one from time to time, for safety reasons... Another way to look at it is how long do you really need it to last? For me 10 years would be more than enough. Without crashing or misuse I know this is very easily attainable with a carbon frame. |
Originally Posted by PeteHski
(Post 22701635)
Another way to look at it is how long do you really need it to last? For me 10 years would be more than enough. Without crashing or misuse I know this is very easily attainable with a carbon frame.
I already saw here and there in this thread carbon bikes of 10-25 years old still in use. Not enough for an estimation, yet I could not see a story of failure during normal use. Carbon bikes are available for large public for 25 years (roughly). However, if many users change their bikes at every 10 or even 3-4 years just to be in line with technological progress, we might never have enough stories available to assess carbon bike life span above 10 years. |
Originally Posted by Redbullet
(Post 22701877)
I got the point and many users mention 10 years.
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Steel, aluminum, carbon feeebray frames can and do last decades...even without much care.
I'm always working on 30-40-+ year old steel bikes, most of dubious ancestry, and with few exceptions they are all perfectly rideable...generally needing some care but the frames are all still generally fine, even where there are visible rusty areas. I'd not trust them on a 40+ mph descent or a 30mph hard corner but to plug along they are still fine. Bike frames are more robust than most think. Can they fail? Sure can but generally it is a manufacturing problem isolated to a batch or a bike or few...I remember back in the late 80's a team I was close to scored a batch of Bianchi steel frames, through the supporting bike shop. They were beautiful frames and rode very well...until...apparently a manufacturing/welding defect occurred where the seat stay weld broke away from the seat tube. Bianchi took them all back, broken or not, and replaced them with new frames which never had a problem. I don't think a carbon feebray frame has a built in failure point nor are they any more susceptible to failure than any other frame for generally all the same reasons. |
feebray?
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
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feebray?
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