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Fat Tire Trader 03-29-19 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20860082)
There is a Cyclo clamp-on rear derailleur for the 3 speed versions. I think it's the Standard model. Looking for online pics but can't find one. I'll keep looking

I have this one

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41ca4ad425.jpg

clubman 03-29-19 08:52 PM

Et voila!

browngw 03-29-19 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20861024)
Interesting about the serial number. My R20 has NDxxxxxxxx so I guess it was made in England then exported to Canada?

Ive been calling it a Canadian model.

A few years back I bought two 10 speed 1975-76 Raleigh Sprites in Emerald Green from their original owner. A Matched set of 21"Step Through and a gentlemen's 23" frame. The ST was made in Canada, (R) and the 23" in England (N). They were purchased at the same time in the same shop in Ottawa ON. The only difference I could detect were the different pedals (curved, solid style). I ended up https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b18682d06c.jpg
selling the pair to Backpedaling in Guelph ON as Missus. browngw disliked the friction shifters and continued to ride her modern Giant.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20860975)
it's often easier and cheaper to get a donor bike for the odds n' ends.
The time and money spent hunting down a few clips etc can really add up.
Amazon.ca examples
Indicator chain @ $53.00 + shipping
https://www.amazon.ca/Sturmey-Archer...ateway&sr=8-39

Axle key (indicator screws into) @ $53.00 + shipping
https://www.amazon.ca/Sturmey-Archer...ateway&sr=8-56

Here's another axle key @ $138.00!!!!!!
https://www.amazon.ca/Sturmey-Archer...ateway&sr=8-82

I'm sure no one in their right mind would order these but.....

Especially the insane S&H fees some sellers demand. For an item that weighs not even half a pound: "economy" shipping: $19.95.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20860404)
It's too bad as the shop is a block from my house and you're right,
I bet if he opened up that supply catalogue he'd find something....
He did bring up a pair of old wheels from the basement..
They were too rough for me and I said I'd pass.
He then replied that they're not for sale anyway..
Go figure.

He sounds like a crusty uncooperative old git.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 20859618)
...get an aluminum shell for the AW, TA Cyclotourist single or double crank, expand the gearing to have a granny climbing gear (that's where the double crank comes in),

I read somewhere you have to be careful how low you gear an AW because they weren't made strong enough for granny gears (gear inches in the 20s? That's what I consider a granny gear). Not sure how true this is; others probably know for sure.

52telecaster 03-30-19 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861559)
I read somewhere you have to be careful how low you gear an AW because they weren't made strong enough for granny gears (gear inches in the 20s? That's what I consider a granny gear). Not sure how true this is; others probably know for sure.

I have ran them as low as middle 20s gear inch wise and never had and issue. I am fairly smooth on the pedal stroke however. The old aw hubs are much stronger than rated in my experience.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20858549)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRt1gZqg5ag
She looks like a young Dianna Dors...
Britain's answer to Marilyn Monroe!

Watching her in A Boy a Girl etc. I was thinking a very young Anne Francis? (Cf. Forbidden Planet.) Did you catch the couple on the tandem with the sidecar for the baby? I think they are the ones where the guy gets hauled off at the end for desertion. What in gods name did that have to do with the main story? The rich guy suddenly announcing at the end that he's "not the marrying sort" AFTER proposing marriage came as a slight surprise.

Road Fan 03-30-19 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Fat Tire Trader (Post 20861242)

Great! So that looks like a chain tensioner, not a derailleur. Have you used it? I haven't decided which way I would go.

Are you interested in selling it?

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 20861569)
I have ran them as low as middle 20s gear inch wise and never had and issue. I am fairly smooth on the pedal stroke however. The old aw hubs are much stronger than rated in my experience.

This what I call very useful information.

Road Fan 03-30-19 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 20861569)
I have ran them as low as middle 20s gear inch wise and never had and issue. I am fairly smooth on the pedal stroke however. The old aw hubs are much stronger than rated in my experience.

I haven't sorted out my own gearing requirements (or aspirations - lol!) for this bike. The AW with 48/17 gives a low/high of 58/103" and with 48/23 (I also have a 23 kicking around) it's 43/76". If I add a front granny ring of 26 teeth (I know, difficult front shift) I would get for 26/17 a low/high of 31/56" to go with the 58/103". It wastes a gear option, but it shows the challenge of getting down to 20" If that's what S-A actually designed to, that might not have been a poor choice.

But this suggests a HS+G in the front could be pretty nice.

gster 03-30-19 08:03 AM

1930 Hercules
The Paint Shop
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b0007f2dcd.jpg
Painted outside and moved in to dry.
It's still cold and rainy here in Toronto.
In the early 30's Hercules was the best selling brand and
the lowest price.
Some of the finishing and welds are a bit rough.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cde8df87c6.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1837e6c39c.jpg
For a bike as old as this I'm impressed with the quality of the components.
It all came apart with little effort.
Even the fixed cup just slipped out.
Bearings/cups/races have all cleaned up nicely with little evidence of wear.
That Metal Restore product does work. It just takes a few days of soaking.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861577)
The rich guy suddenly announcing at the end that he's "not the marrying sort" AFTER proposing marriage came as a slight surprise.

Usually he'd announce that after learning she's pregnant.

gster 03-30-19 08:26 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b932daab0.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861654)
Usually he'd announce that after learning she's pregnant.

Come to think, that must be exactly what the audience thought in 1949. Oh yeah, they're going to need that little cottage....

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20861668)

I am drawing a blank. Who this be?

gster 03-30-19 08:57 AM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...31f1f60601.jpg

gster 03-30-19 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861691)
I am drawing a blank. Who this be?

Sean Connery

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20861706)
Sean Connery

OMG that's what I first thought but then I went, no...

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20861704)

Mrs Peel would have hated being the stoker.

gster 03-30-19 09:05 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...81419e7e15.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861711)
OMG that's what I first thought but then I went, no...

Possibly during Never Say Never Again? Oh yes! I remember the scene. He and Felix Lighter are making an escape.

Ged117 03-30-19 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20861115)
You'll have that hub so cleaned up and smooth running you'll look for a bike to hang it on.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20860975)
it's often easier and cheaper to get a donor bike for the odds n' ends.
The time and money spent hunting down a few clips etc can really add up.
I'm sure no one in their right mind would order these but.....


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20860879)
Easy to determine if it is Canadian built as the serial# will start with an "R". Glad to see some Raleigh's in the Kingston area. I grew up around Odessa (Violet actually) and have spent the last 40 years in Port Dover on Lake Erie.

Thanks for the tips and comments. It was a lucky find for this area certainly. It was also free which helps a lot. It should help me finish up the Superbe for Spring. I'm happy to get a '79 AW to rebuild because I've recently added a 1953 FW hub and shifter to my parts bin, which I would like to use in a commuter build. I want to practice on the AW to make the FW overhaul easier. I'm wide open on the future frame. I've considered finding a UO8 for this purpose. Internationals and Grand Prix frames are hard to catch and often quite expensive here or usually the wrong size (I am 6'2).

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3becd4e40.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bd6d708da.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20861639)

One day I have to try mounting the fork there.

paulb_in_bkln 03-30-19 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20861743)
I've considered finding a UO8 for this purpose. Internationals and Grand Prix frames are hard to catch.

Not yet ready for prime time but first riding impressions of my AW'd mixte (UE-18): makes a fabalous three speed.


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