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3speedslow 01-02-17 11:52 AM

Yes, do it just to see those shiny little men go round and round on the crank!

9volt 01-02-17 04:10 PM

Nearly done with the 68 Sports. I made an attempt at fender dent repair and seems to have worked out ok.

Dents:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L2elVFYGHW...677-781055.JPG

Dents more or less removed:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W9vfsd2AWS...678-783394.JPG

Paint cleaned:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-goDTzxJAfU...679-766182.JPG


Does this look like the correct rear reflector for this bike? It's obnoxiously big.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HBtWXRy1zW...634-778446.JPG

Salubrious 01-02-17 04:18 PM

No. The correct reflector has a sconce between the lens and the fender and is smaller diameter.

9volt 01-02-17 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19286203)
No. The correct reflector has a sconce between the lens and the fender and is smaller diameter.

Would the sconce be white or black in 68?

9volt 01-02-17 04:41 PM

I have this black SA reflector that likely came from a Raleigh 3 speed. Not sure if I have a white one.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q0s0fjkcLX...680-745400.JPG

desconhecido 01-02-17 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19286232)
Would the sconce be white or black in 68?

Could be either, as far as anybody can tell for sure. Manufacturing and advertising/sales never seemed to be fully in sync and there have been numerous examples of bicycles with features that didn't seem to fit squarely within the specs of any particular year. Things like later model bikes with chain guard bosses and bikes with black reflector housings when white seemed to be the standard. Of course, there is also the problem that how a bike appears in this brave new century of ours may not be how it left Nottingham.

On the Yellow Jersey site there is an ad for a repro reflector in black that looks pretty good. I get the impression that some things on their site may not actually be available. I've never bought from them, I think others have with good results.

9volt 01-02-17 05:16 PM

Thanks for the info. I wanted to make some effort to get it correct it if the parts were here.

Here's how it looks now with everything hung. Still need to dial it in but it's doing proper bicycle stuff again. I'll post some better pictures when it's light out.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4rlAHoI1Vd...682-731247.JPG

desconhecido 01-02-17 07:14 PM

Looks pretty good to me, reflector looks appropriate. Kind of wonder about the saddle, is it going to make it? Got a 64 a couple weeks ago with a saddle that looks about like that. Probably try to revive it -- nothing to lose.

BigChief 01-02-17 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 19286500)
Looks pretty good to me, reflector looks appropriate. Kind of wonder about the saddle, is it going to make it? Got a 64 a couple weeks ago with a saddle that looks about like that. Probably try to revive it -- nothing to lose.

Unless the leather is brittle and tearing at the rivets, there's usually plenty of adjustment left on the saddle frame tension screw to level it out some
. I'd go slowly though.

Salubrious 01-03-17 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19286232)
Would the sconce be white or black in 68?

Could be either- just depends on what was on hand at the time.


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19286605)
Unless the leather is brittle and tearing at the rivets, there's usually plenty of adjustment left on the saddle frame tension screw to level it out some
. I'd go slowly though.

-And use plenty of Proofhide and mink oil on both the top and bottom of the leather!

9volt 01-03-17 02:16 PM

The saddle on the 68 right now is pretty beat. It had seat guts that fit the post so I tossed it on there. There are a couple other decent B72s here that I'd put on it to ride any further than around the block.

dweenk 01-03-17 03:19 PM

That saddle appears to well accustomed to the previous owner's bottom. I am not sure that any amount of Proofhide and tensionning can bring it back. I think that a new(er) 68 would be right.

If your new saddle is black, I have a pair of black grips that I would trade for your brown ones.

clubman 01-04-17 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19286298)
Thanks for the info. I wanted to make some effort to get it correct it if the parts were here.

Here's how it looks now with everything hung. Still need to dial it in but it's doing proper bicycle stuff again. I'll post some better pictures when it's light out.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4rlAHoI1Vd...682-731247.JPG

Man you work fast, nice job.

I told the man I didn't want the Humber so he said $40 and I caved. It's actually a 52. It's completely clapped out but the frame is solid and true. I think I'll do something unusual with it...townie type thing, parts bin special.
Again
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wj...7=w640-h360-no

3speedslow 01-04-17 03:40 PM

Keep the chainring ! Nice project.

dweenk 01-04-17 04:01 PM

:pI told the man I didn't want the Humber so he said $40 and I caved. It's actually a 52. It's completely clapped out but the frame is solid and true. I think I'll do something unusual with it...townie type thing, parts bin special.

You must be easy:p. Actually I think you have a great project. I would like to see a clean chainring of creepy little men who share one head spinning around.

9volt 01-04-17 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19288650)
If your new saddle is black, I have a pair of black grips that I would trade for your brown ones.

The new saddle is brown like the one in the picture. I'm switching stuff around all the time and will let you know if the brown set becomes available.

I'm thinking about doing the Robin Hood next if I can locate an enclosed chain guard. I'm not familiar with this style of guard. Anyone have pics of chain guards that would look appropriate on this bike? What should I expect to pay for one in rough but usable shape?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0DxqQESOUI...420-755824.JPG

BigChief 01-04-17 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19291440)
The new saddle is brown like the one in the picture. I'm switching stuff around all the time and will let you know if the brown set becomes available.

I'm thinking about doing the Robin Hood next if I can locate an enclosed chain guard. I'm not familiar with this style of guard. Anyone have pics of chain guards that would look appropriate on this bike? What should I expect to pay for one in rough but usable shape?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0DxqQESOUI...420-755824.JPG

Even though the Sports frames all had the enclosed chain guard lug on the chain stay until the late 50s, hardly any of the bikes imported to the states had enclosed guards. More than likely, this bike had the usual 2 point hockey stick guard. I did see some new enclosed guards for sale. These were either Flying Pigeon or Eastman, but they are all for the 28" roadsters. I doubt they would fit a Sports, but I don't know for sure.

clubman 01-04-17 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19291440)
The new saddle is brown like the one in the picture. I'm switching stuff around all the time and will let you know if the brown set becomes available.

I'm thinking about doing the Robin Hood next if I can locate an enclosed chain guard. I'm not familiar with this style of guard. Anyone have pics of chain guards that would look appropriate on this bike? What should I expect to pay for one in rough but usable shape?

You're asking for problems trying to mount an enclosed chainguard just because they're fussy at the best of times. You'll have to get a Raleigh because they made the frame. Otherwise I'd sell you a Hercules . Check UK ebay...


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19291334)
You must be easy:p. Actually I think you have a great project. I would like to see a clean chainring of creepy little men who share one head spinning around.

Easy? Sadly yes. Unless you talk to my wife that is...


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19291282)
Keep the chainring ! Nice project.

Unfortunately, if I want to ride it, I have to swap out the chainring for something in the 150 mm range. Just the unhappy consequence of knee replacement done poorly. Of course I'll clean and keep the ring for a return to original spec.

desconhecido 01-04-17 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19291580)
Even though the Sports frames all had the enclosed chain guard lug on the chain stay until the late 50s, hardly any of the bikes imported to the states had enclosed guards. More than likely, this bike had the usual 2 point hockey stick guard. I did see some new enclosed guards for sale. These were either Flying Pigeon or Eastman, but they are all for the 28" roadsters. I doubt they would fit a Sports, but I don't know for sure.

A quick look at images on the web, and I can't find any Robin Hoods with anything but the "hockey stick" guards. Or guardless, of course. Surely they would not go to the expense of the stylized chain ring just to hide it, would they? All the Raleighs, I think, with the enclosed guards had plain rings.

So, any early Raleigh HS guard should do -- until they introduced the heel grabber.

Hey, looky:
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...available.html

I love this place. If only searching were easier. Too bad everybody's such a big meanie.

9volt 01-04-17 06:43 PM

Would the chain guard normally attach to this spot behind the BB?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sPZEFiiSvq...741-749772.JPG

BigChief 01-04-17 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19291716)
Would the chain guard normally attach to this spot behind the BB?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sPZEFiiSvq...741-749772.JPG

That lug is for an enclosed guard. What you need is a 2 point hockey stick like this.
Raleigh chain guard | eBay
Later versions attached at 3 points. Those will only work on the newer Raleighs with brazed on tabs. Make sure you get the older style 2 point.

clubman 01-04-17 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19291716)
Would the chain guard normally attach to this spot behind the BB?

I have a 2 point white one you can have for postage from Canada...probably $10. It's for rebranded Raleighs and has Made in England in the typical script although the paint is dull and faded. Might be a very good match. The metal is dent free and I have hardware. PM if you want pics.

9volt 01-04-17 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19291783)
I have a 2 point white one you can have for postage from Canada...probably $10. It's for rebranded Raleighs and has Made in England in the typical script although the paint is dull and faded. Might be a very good match. The metal is dent free and I have hardware. PM if you want pics.

Sounds perfect. PM sent.


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19291751)
That lug is for an enclosed guard. What you need is a 2 point hockey stick like this.

Ok thanks for the info. I had only run into 3 point chain guards so far and didn't realize the 2 point chain guard was a thing.

gster 01-05-17 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19291751)
That lug is for an enclosed guard. What you need is a 2 point hockey stick like this.
Raleigh chain guard | eBay
Later versions attached at 3 points. Those will only work on the newer Raleighs with brazed on tabs. Make sure you get the older style 2 point.

I agree that the enclosed guards are a royal pain. Even if you can install it cleanly without the chain/chain ring rubbing somewhere, changing a tire becomes a major chore.

BigChief 01-05-17 06:50 AM

I think the confusion comes from the fact that the enclosed guard lug is present on the chain stay. But just like DL-1s, all Sports frames had that lug whether it originally had an enclosed guard or not until Raleigh stopped adding them in the late 50s.


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