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paulb_in_bkln 04-25-18 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20305851)
Awesome posts from everyone!
I took the DL-1 for a night ride tonight - I had to exercise my knee, the 'plica' part of it is inflamed but on the mend. The nicest part of the ride was pushing (walking) the bike up the final hill, and a friendly voice in the dark asking if I needed anything to help me get home. I thanked him for asking with a brief explanation of 'crook knee' and continued to the top for the final stretch home. The B33 saddle is finally conforming to my nether regions. For some time I've been considering swapping it out for a B72, but I'm glad I stayed the distance. Definitely my favourite bike to ride.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/832/4...5e9f710e_b.jpgIMG20180425181702 by arty dave armour, on Flickr

There's a modern light strapped to the handlebars but it disappears into the background darkness. I really should revisit the Miller headlight I'd like to use on this bike.

In addition to everything else you got a fine and unusually dramatic, it being nighttime, bike photo. I like it a lot.

johnnyspaghetti 04-25-18 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20303522)
I guess it's just human nature to constantly fiddle and modify our machines.

Some are just throwing these bikes away because the tires are flat. We need to find these bikes what ever over all condition.

paulb_in_bkln 04-25-18 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20306655)
Some are just throwing these bikes away because the tires are flat. We need to find these bikes what ever over all condition.

Funny you should mention this.... Derelict, a few blocks from my house. BB axle cut through, no idea why. It wouldnít be all that difficult to make this a good bike again, although maybe not valuable, even here in Brooklyn. Thereís a way to snap a U-lock quietly with a 2x4; I know because it happened to me, but I donít know the trick. As for unbolting the very useful bits and pieces, itís not worth the possibility of being arrested. Makes me sad.

noglider 04-25-18 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20306701)
Funny you should mention this.... Derelict, a few blocks from my house. BB axle cut through, no idea why. It wouldnít be all that difficult to make this a good bike again, although maybe not valuable, even here in Brooklyn. Thereís a way to snap a U-lock quietly with a 2x4; I know because it happened to me, but I donít know the trick. As for unbolting the very useful bits and pieces, itís not worth the possibility of being arrested. Makes me sad.

We have a lot of these in my neighborhood (West Village).

dweenk 04-25-18 01:22 PM

For dark green Raleighs I have found that Rustoleum 7733 Hunter Green is a good match. It does not match the bronze green.

I have a step through Belgian Raleigh that was missing a chain guard. I found a white chain guard on the auction site and prepped and painted it. It turned out to be a damn close match - from 5 feet away you cannot tell that it is not original except for the lack of a decal.

johnnyspaghetti 04-25-18 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20306701)
Funny you should mention this.... Derelict, a few blocks from my house. BB axle cut through, no idea why. It wouldnít be all that difficult to make this a good bike again, although maybe not valuable, even here in Brooklyn. Thereís a way to snap a U-lock quietly with a 2x4; I know because it happened to me, but I donít know the trick. As for unbolting the very useful bits and pieces, itís not worth the possibility of being arrested. Makes me sad.

That is a nice old sports.

johnnyspaghetti 04-25-18 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20306089)
In addition to everything else you got a fine and unusually dramatic, it being nighttime, bike photo. I like it a lot.

I have to have a 60's DL1

BigChief 04-25-18 04:23 PM

I don't think Raleigh exported any of the 28" wheeled bikes to the US during the 60s. They don't show up in the US catalogs until 1970. The 22" gents frame doesn't appear until the 1978 catalog. They may have sent them to Canada, I don't know, but by far the most common DL-1 you'll find in the US these days are 1970s 24" frame gents. The 1970 DL-1 Tourist does still have the 1960s style transfers and the black cased rear reflector.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/TH_Raleigh_Cat_70_14_LG.jpg

browngw 04-25-18 05:22 PM

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Too bad shipping one of these tanks would cost a fortune. I have one I don't need but bought it for the enjoyment of bringing it back to life. Its a 1977 Canadian import model which has no chaincase. Likely taken off at purchase. I have one on my 1979 Canadian model but they are truly a pain. The story goes that the American model got the smaller hockey stick style to save weight for tariffs that Canada was not subject to. If I find a smaller chain guard, I think I would install it. The bike will be going to the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show in late June if its not sold before.

gster 04-25-18 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20307323)
Too bad shipping one of these tanks would cost a fortune. I have one I don't need but bought it for the enjoyment of bringing it back to life. Its a 1977 Canadian import model which has no chaincase. Likely taken off at purchase. I have one on my 1979 Canadian model but they are truly a pain. The story goes that the American model got the smaller hockey stick style to save weight for tariffs that Canada was not subject to. If I find a smaller chain guard, I think I would install it. The bike will be going to the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show in late June if its not sold before.

That's a nice bike...
I'd price it at $500.00 (in Toronto).

arty dave 04-25-18 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20306089)
In addition to everything else you got a fine and unusually dramatic, it being nighttime, bike photo. I like it a lot.

Thanks, it was a total fluke, plus I had help from the sports field floodlights :)


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20307045)
I have to have a 60's DL1

I know I'm probably being greedy, but I'd like a 2nd DL-1. I'll keep looking but I think they're quite rare here (Australia). I'm going to look at a China Post roadster on Saturday, looks just like a 22" DL-1. Not sure what to expect, I've heard quality can vary...

BC I couldn't make it quite to the top before my knee was injured! Besides, you get to see a lot more when you're pushing the bike :)

BrownGW that should be an easy sale, looks to be in top condition. I remember you posting about the clean-up rebuild.

BigChief 04-25-18 06:18 PM

I'm fine with the hockey stick chainguards on DL-1s. Enclosed chaincases are classy but rear wheel removal plenty difficult enough without one.
I have two. I really don't need two, but selling one off just seems to keep getting put on the back burner. Wonder why.



https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/...aff3960f_b.jpg73DL1a by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/943/4...dac0659b_h.jpgDL-1 Roadster by Billy Bones, on Flickr

gster 04-25-18 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20307396)
Thanks, it was a total fluke, plus I had help from the sports field floodlights :)



I know I'm probably being greedy, but I'd like a 2nd DL-1. I'll keep looking but I think they're quite rare here (Australia). I'm going to look at a China Post roadster on Saturday, looks just like a 22" DL-1. Not sure what to expect, I've heard quality can vary...

BC I couldn't make it quite to the top before my knee was injured! Besides, you get to see a lot more when you're pushing the bike :)

BrownGW that should be an easy sale, looks to be in top condition. I remember you posting about the clean-up rebuild.

Although a visual copy, the Chinese (Flying Pigeons Etc.) are no match for the Raleigh.
They're heavy and cumbersome.
The metal can be soft.
Still, could be part of the fleet...

johnnyspaghetti 04-25-18 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20307418)
I'm fine with the hockey stick chainguards on DL-1s. Enclosed chaincases are classy but rear wheel removal plenty difficult enough without one.
I have two. I really don't need two, but selling one off just seems to keep getting put on the back burner. Wonder why.



https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/...aff3960f_b.jpg73DL1a by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/943/4...dac0659b_h.jpgDL-1 Roadster by Billy Bones, on Flickr

I want the laid back ride. Thats it.

SirMike1983 04-25-18 08:55 PM

A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o_UwvQxV5...422_173739.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqhltkaQF...422_173745.jpg

arty dave 04-25-18 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20307548)
Although a visual copy, the Chinese (Flying Pigeons Etc.) are no match for the Raleigh.
They're heavy and cumbersome.
The metal can be soft.
Still, could be part of the fleet...

Gster you have an Eastman roadster don't you? Do you think the Indian roadsters are better made or better metal than Chinese roadsters?
Maybe a little closer to a Raleigh? I briefly owned a 22" Burmese roadster but at the time couldn't keep it. It was a cool looking bike but yeah, no match for the Raleigh.

BigChief 04-26-18 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20307675)
A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o_UwvQxV5...422_173739.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqhltkaQF...422_173745.jpg

Those shark fin front fenders are just so cool. Really gave the bike a distinct look. Whoever decided to change to plain janes should have been run out of Chicago.

gster 04-26-18 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20307777)
Gster you have an Eastman roadster don't you? Do you think the Indian roadsters are better made or better metal than Chinese roadsters?
Maybe a little closer to a Raleigh? I briefly owned a 22" Burmese roadster but at the time couldn't keep it. It was a cool looking bike but yeah, no match for the Raleigh.

Good memory!
I have an Eastman Roadster that I originally bought when I realised that I couldn't afford a Pashley Path Racer.
I bought it and modified it to replicate the Pashley.
I bought this before i got into the 3 speeds.
It looks good...
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Rod and lever brakes work as well as they can....
Geometry is very laid back with the front wheel way out front.
It doesn't get much use.
I also have an old (1957?) Flying Pigeon.
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This has drum brakes and is very heavy, no gears...
It doesn't see much use either.
It can only be ridden on level ground.
I still like them both and have had no issues with the quality of the materials used.
This Superbe was my first 3 Speed (since I was a kid) and it's still my everyday bike.
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arty dave 04-26-18 06:01 AM

Yes that's right, the double top bars! I really like that frame with the 2 top bars close together. I didn't realise the bar ends dropped down. And that's why we all need 2 roadsters - 1 path racer 'scorcher', and 1 'full dress' roadster :)
That was the thing with the Burmese roadster too - no gears in a hilly area, and less knowledge at the time about bike tinkerings and internal gears.

Sir Mike what wheel size is the '41 Schwinn New World?

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20306012)
I call it flossing.

Flossing works well...although tiring.

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 06:17 AM

Its a beautiful day. Dog gets a ride round lake as yesterday.

paulb_in_bkln 04-26-18 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20307675)
A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

I didn't even know about Schwinn's filet brazed bikes when they were in production--just the standard heavyweight models, and the Paramounts. But reading the article on Sheldon's site, they seem like wonderful bikes and it seems a shame that Schwinn didn't highlight them. Could you post some closeups of the '41?

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 08:05 AM

Maybe

SirMike1983 04-26-18 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20308033)
I didn't even know about Schwinn's filet brazed bikes when they were in production--just the standard heavyweight models, and the Paramounts. But reading the article on Sheldon's site, they seem like wonderful bikes and it seems a shame that Schwinn didn't highlight them. Could you post some closeups of the '41?

That article is pretty good. It tends to focus on some of the later, "road" bikes from the 10-speed series, but the construction methods are described well. The pre-WWII New World is unique in that it was fillet brazed, but it was not Cro-Mo. They used a "drawn seamless" tubing on the pre-war New World.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FbgT8Mo6f...909_183009.jpg

The New World could come with a US-style one-piece crank, but also could be bought with three-piece cottered cranks. Schwinn was "modern" in its view of branding - that is to say, it put its name everywhere it could. Cranks were stamped "Schwinn" and the chainrings sometimes had the company's initials.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R7GGu-UJo...609_170558.jpg



Graphics:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IZFDgLvsQ...609_170543.jpg



I keep an eye out for reference pictures because I find the Schwinn experiment so interesting. They were trying to sell decent bikes to adults in the 1930s-40s in the US, when the "bike boom" was still a generation away. They couldn't compete with the automobile, especially after the war.

I found pictures of a bare New World frame on the internet, which show the brazing joints nicely:

https://thecabe.com/forum/attachment...nn-jpg.688085/

SirMike1983 04-26-18 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20307895)
Those shark fin front fenders are just so cool. Really gave the bike a distinct look. Whoever decided to change to plain janes should have been run out of Chicago.

Amen on that.


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