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slowtostart 01-01-13 11:32 AM

One resolution down as a bicycle and parts have already taken up residence in the dining room. My next to the last purchase was a red 1956 Sports and I'll confess to not being as enamored with it as I had hoped. The red paint fought my polishing efforts and I became discouraged with the lack of progress.

That was until yesterday when I visited the local auto parts store for some Sratch X and I am beyond thrilled with the results. The fenders have spots worn down to the black undercoating, but the red seems to be almost translucent with gold metallic sparkles contained in it. The color has depth. The tail is once more white. Your reminders of "It's only original once." played in my head and any thoughts of repainting evaporated. I think she'll continue to grow on me after the cream tires and fork light grace her.

Any suggestions for a "best" wax for red paint? The red seems to be a different animal.

STS

Velognome 01-01-13 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 15094112)
had a Cyclo Cluster , with 3 cogs on my Puch/ J.C.Higgins I had back when Kennedy was still Breathing ..
a derailleur/ IGH hybrid .. Ah Youth .. :50:

And its folly
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=291260
On roadways this Spring


Any suggestions for a "best" wax for red paint? The red seems to be a different animal.
Kiwi Cordovan will hide some scratches on the red and give it a soft shine

IthaDan 01-01-13 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by jrecoi (Post 14932161)
Pictures with tape measure please.

Were the pictures I posted helpful to you? Are there any other dimensions you need?

ascherer 01-08-13 03:29 PM

1966 Raleigh Sports rehab
 
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7 months later:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292546

I posted back in July that I'd gotten this bike but have only now gotten to taking a decent set of "after" pictures. I found it in a typically neglected state - gumwalls melted and fused to the wheels, grimy, badly dried and torn B17...but it was mechanically sound and the right size. My goal was to get it rideable quickly and to pretty it up while keeping its original lines and dignified stance.

On inspection I found nothing had to be replaced other than the pedals, brake blocks and tires so I scraped the muck off rims and cleaned them up with Evapo-Rust baths and copper wool. I serviced the front hub and just oiled the rear - I'll open that sometime this winter for fun and curiosity. No major truing was needed, so new cloth rim strips and Panaracer Paselas finished the wheels.

I got some cheap pedals at my LBS but the original pedal bodies were fine so I cleaned them up and used the new rubber blocks on the old bodies. They were a bit narrower than the originals so I used small washers to compensate and they are a great visual fit.

I haven't done the bottom bracket yet, but the chainwheel spun fine and had no play, so that's also been moved to the "I'm bored" winter activity list. I got a new chain, but the old one seemed sound so I use Evapo-Rust on it and it came out great. I did clean up the headset, even though it really wasn't bad.

Put salmon Kool-stops on the brakes, which had good cables and then lots and lots of chrome polishing using copper wool, brass brushes and frame cleaning/oiling/waxing.

I treated the B17 with Proofide to get it supple, then I stitched the tear (it come up from the side almost halfway to the front-back centerline) and laced the sides in. It looked OK, but it was quite flexy on the bike and the surface is too rough from all the cracking so I have it in a bag until I feel like trying to tighten it. There's a bit of tearing at the nose rivet so I don't have much hope.

I found a hardly used, brown B66 on eBay that's perfect:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292540

That got me to the "ridable" state, and the rest was about the details. I snagged a replica pump and vintage "pleather" saddle bag at Old Roads in Cambridge, MA. A local shoemaker replaced the dried and torn straps that are sewn onto the flap.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292543

I happened across a NOS Sturmey Archer dynamo tail light at the LBS that I retrofitted with an LED and battery from a cheap book light from Walgreens, and I wrapped the kickstand with twine and shellacked it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292541

Next came shellacked cork grips, even though I have original ribbed bullet grips. I like the aesthetic and the feel. I finished off with a retro-style 3-led headlamp mounted to the Heron bracket.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292542

It's a pleasure to ride my Sports, whether I'm going a few blocks to the grocery or 20+ miles along the shore on a family outing. I loved this project - I've been working on bikes since 1973, and while I feel like I'm pretty skilled and knowledgeable, I want to thank everyone who has posted in this thread and especially those of you who are so generous with your time and sharing. I've learned a lot from you.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292545

loubapache 01-08-13 03:32 PM

Nice!

Sixty Fiver 01-08-13 03:55 PM

Think that when I am back in pdx in about a month that I will have to bring my '54 Raleigh with me, driving gives me some bike options that flying did not allow.

Will have to plan some adventures here via old 3 speeds...

noglider 01-08-13 04:53 PM

ascherer, nice work. If you buy or build yourself a cotter press, you will find the bottom bracket job to be pretty easy, and you'll be able to reuse your cotters.

Velognome, I don't know about this bike. Is there a thread about it?

Conradpdx, I've done Costco runs, but not 20 miles. My Costco is 4 miles from me. I towed my kiddie trailer. I carried as much stuff as people carry when they drive to Costco. In a sense, I did it as a proof-of-concept ride. I did it at night in the winter so I could tell others that they can do it in the day in the summer. My 3-speed has a gigantic rear cog, so that helps a lot, as it lowers all of my gears. The hills I had to climb aren't steep, but with the weight and the bike's weight and sluggishness, it wasn't exactly a breeze. But it was well worth doing, and I had a nice time.

Velognome 01-08-13 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 15134873)

Velognome, I don't know about this bike. Is there a thread about it?

Nope :D but there will be after the tires meet the pavement.

Super.bee 01-08-13 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by jonwvara (Post 15095178)
The issue is that too much torque will bust something in the workings of the AW. I'm obviously way below 2/1, but Mark Stonich at Bikesmith designs told me that very low input ratios don't cause problems as long as you don't used them with in the high gear on the hub. I only use mine in 1 and 2, and have had no problems so far.
I use the small chainring infrequently--just to get up a few very long steep climbs around here--so I've never bothered with a front derailleur--I just get off and shift by hand. That will also allow me to add a Sprite chainguard, if I can ever find one.
JV

I had worried about that and stuck with the orig chainring and 22 cog. That's great info, thanks.

Is the chainguard you are looking for the one that has the inverted triangle - not just the hockey stick? What color are you seeking? There is one at the local co-op - attached to a Sprite 27 frame. Maybe they would part with the guard only.

conradpdx 01-09-13 10:02 AM

Nice work ascherer... Though when I decided to take apart a hub for the first time, I bought a back up from the local bike co-op for around $10 to practice on. Not only do you then get to take one apart without putting your bike out of commision, but you then also get back up parts should you ever need them. And that $10.00 extra hub gets you alot more than individual parts if you include shipping costs.

And I know I could use a trailer and the Superbe for the Costco runs, but there are some pretty good hills on the bike path that gets me there and back, and the dreaded east winds out of the Gorge this time of the year. Perhaps I'll try anyway, perhaps upgrade my 20 tooth for 24....Just gotta find a period correct trailer now I guess.

RALEIGH_COMP 01-09-13 11:22 AM

recently bought this '54 sports, started another thread on it, but i can't resist posting another picture of this baby!
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/v...o/DSC00525.jpg
it needs some tlc but still... it's perfect!

ascherer 01-09-13 03:07 PM

Thanks, y'all.

conradpdx, that's a great idea. I held one in my hands recently but didnt have a good reason to take it home, now I do. Won't be the first time I pulled one apart, but it will be the first in many decades!

noglider, it's similarly been quite a while since I broke down a BB that had cottered cranks. I'm from the hammer-and-wood blocks school, but I never had to remove cotters that probably haven't moved in 47 years! I don't have a bench vise any more, so I'm looking at the DIYs described elsewhere. I'll probably try something with my clamp collection first.

ascherer 01-09-13 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 15134527)

I found it in a typically neglected state - gumwalls melted and fused to the wheels, grimy, badly dried and torn B17...

B72, duh.

jonwvara 01-09-13 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Super.bee (Post 15135951)
I had worried about that and stuck with the orig chainring and 22 cog. That's great info, thanks.

Is the chainguard you are looking for the one that has the inverted triangle - not just the hockey stick? What color are you seeking? There is one at the local co-op - attached to a Sprite 27 frame. Maybe they would part with the guard only.

My Sprite 27 is a 1976, I think, and was originally a five-speed with a rear derailler. It continued the Raleigh tradition of absurdly high gearing, with a 14-30 5-speed freewheel and a single 52 chainring, giving high somewhere in the 90s and a low of about 45 inches. (Okay, maybe that's low enough for some people, but not for me.) From the catalog, it looks like the 5-speeds didn't come with a real chainguard--just a chromed sheet-metal bash-guard-type pants protector that mounted outboard of the chainring. That's how mine was equipped. I still have it in my chainring pile somewhere.
Basically, I'd use any coffee-colored chainguard that says "Sprite" on it. Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll wait until I find a true orphan chainguard--it seems a shame to take one away from the frame that it belongs to.
JV

RALEIGH_COMP 01-09-13 06:06 PM

where can i get a shifter like this?
http://images.craigslist.org/3Kd3F43...664f0d1295.jpg

sailorbenjamin 01-09-13 10:50 PM

Ratrodbikes.com?

slowtostart 01-10-13 04:57 AM

Beautiful bicycle. The step through frames never look as elegant to me as the ones you gentlemen ride.

I snapped the end of one of my kick stands and have decided to simply replace with a new one for my Sports. Has anyone used the Pletscher double legged stand? This legs on this one both fold up to one side.

http://harriscyclery.net/product/sks...stand-1034.htm

noglider 01-10-13 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by RALEIGH_COMP (Post 15137611)
recently bought this '54 sports, started another thread on it, but i can't resist posting another picture of this baby!
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/v...o/DSC00525.jpg
it needs some tlc but still... it's perfect!

You got VERY lucky there. Looks to be in decent shape. The chrome appears to be coming off the front rim. I hope that works out. If not, you can buy nice aluminum CR18 rims as replacements and reuse the old spokes. I've done this several times on three speeds.

RALEIGH_COMP 01-10-13 11:24 AM

Noglider- thank you! and yes the chrome is not so good, i think it is also happening on the rear as well :(. I have yet to get into wheel building, perhaps its a good time to start.

harris cyclery has complete wheels for a decent price. tempting...

folderfan550 01-10-13 12:14 PM

It's a Bendix Stick Shift. There was one on a 3-speed I picked up a couple of years ago.


Originally Posted by RALEIGH_COMP (Post 15139038)
where can i get a shifter like this?
http://images.craigslist.org/3Kd3F43...664f0d1295.jpg


wahoonc 01-10-13 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by slowtostart (Post 15140403)
Beautiful bicycle. The step through frames never look as elegant to me as the ones you gentlemen ride.

I snapped the end of one of my kick stands and have decided to simply replace with a new one for my Sports. Has anyone used the Pletscher double legged stand? This legs on this one both fold up to one side.

http://harriscyclery.net/product/sks...stand-1034.htm

I use one of those on my big city bike and it works just fine. You will probably have to trim it to fit.

I like it just fine.

Aaron :)

slowtostart 01-10-13 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 15143000)
I use one of those on my big city bike and it works just fine. You will probably have to trim it to fit.

I like it just fine.

Aaron :)

Yikes! Hopefully it's obvious that I wrote that before finishing my first cup of coffee. So happy you could translate in spite of my stupor.

Okay, I have complete faith in you and will place my order. I cart lots of stuff and need to be able to balance the load. The demise of the original kickstand may prove to have been a blessing.

STS

wardie 01-10-13 08:58 PM

I am new to three speeds , just purchased a Ross Eurotour with a Shimano 3 speed. Bike is in decent shape has all guards. S/N is 9 digits 575186611. I am told their shoul;d be 10 digits but I can't find anything else? I'd like to know the year of the bike. It has 26" x 1 3/8th inch white wall tires. Can anyone shed some info on the Ross. Web searching yielded limited information. Wardie

wahoonc 01-11-13 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by wardie (Post 15143644)
I am new to three speeds , just purchased a Ross Eurotour with a Shimano 3 speed. Bike is in decent shape has all guards. S/N is 9 digits 575186611. I am told their shoul;d be 10 digits but I can't find anything else? I'd like to know the year of the bike. It has 26" x 1 3/8th inch white wall tires. Can anyone shed some info on the Ross. Web searching yielded limited information. Wardie

Post a picture of the drive side. Which 3 speed hub? I would guess 70's that is when the Eurotour was popular.

Aaron :)

steve tdi 01-11-13 08:11 AM

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Wardie the three speed Ross Eurotour is Shimano 333 fitted or I should say at least mine is. There is a thread in C and V about Ross history or something , do a "Ross" search to find it, lots of great information. There are contacts within thread that could help you sort out the details.

On to this threads theme, Just found a 72 Sports in rather good shape, paint and mechanicals.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=292994

For those interested I am putting together a free 3 Speed Ride (non lycra preferred) get together this April in SE Michigan. The date is planned for the 21st. Will take place in the Algonac area, on, and around Harsens Island. Further details can be found in the Rides and Events section for the Great Lakes on BF. Seems to be a bit of local interest though many aren't thinking of riding yet.

RALEIGH_COMP 01-11-13 04:40 PM

I posted this on the craigslist thread as well but i like it so i'm sharing it.

http://images.craigslist.org/3Gf3Ib3...d5703e1037.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3F83I23...f2bde41a8c.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3n93Eb3...4388d2141f.jpg

did they they actually come this way ever? looks nice either way

AL NZ 01-11-13 06:54 PM

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English, but not a 3 speed roadster: a 'little sister' single-speed Phillips Roadmaster 20" child's cycle, probably 50's in age but I'm not sure

just had its first shakedown 5 minutes ago.
I've tidied the bike up with WD40 to the paint, oxalic acid to the chrome, a spray-on phosphoric acid product and steel wool to the rims, and thorough dismantle clean and re-oil/grease all bearings - rides like a dream according to my daughter, and ready for the world-famous-in-NZ Art Deco weekend here in Napier in 5 weeks time...

adventurepdx 01-11-13 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by steve tdi (Post 15144647)
For those interested I am putting together a free 3 Speed Ride (non lycra preferred) get together this April in SE Michigan. The date is planned for the 21st. Will take place in the Algonac area, on, and around Harsens Island. Further details are can be found in the Rides and Events section for the Great Lakes on BF. Seems to be a bit of local interest though many aren't thinking of riding yet.

I'm interested! But I live in Portland and won't be able to make it out, this year at least. Still hope to get to the Lake Pepin ride one of these years. Good luck on it.

Since we're on the subject, I'll be doing a few Three Speed Rides in Portland, OR this year. The first one, the Almost Spring edition, is scheduled for Sunday March 3rd. (3-3-13!) I'll post more details when they become available.

smontanaro 01-12-13 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by steve tdi (Post 15144647)
For those interested I am putting together a free 3 Speed Ride (non lycra preferred) get together this April in SE Michigan. The date is planned for the 21st. Will take place in the Algonac area, on, and around Harsens Island. Further details can be found in the Rides and Events section for the Great Lakes on BF. Seems to be a bit of local interest though many aren't thinking of riding yet.

I will take this opportunity to once again plug the Vintage Cycling events Google calendar. You can view it here:

https://www.google.com/calendar/embe...merica/Chicago
(or http://tinyurl.com/agptsu9). You can also find it on the bottom of the Classic Rendezvous website's front page (http://www.classicrendezvous.com/).

I don't always make it around to the many places where events get listed, so if you have something you want to list, feel free to drop me a note (skip@pobox.com). I'm happy to allow people on as editors as well (share the load).

Skip Montanaro
Evanston, IL

jamesj 01-13-13 06:38 PM

jeez I want that.



Originally Posted by RALEIGH_COMP (Post 15146739)
I posted this on the craigslist thread as well but i like it so i'm sharing it.

http://images.craigslist.org/3Gf3Ib3...d5703e1037.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3F83I23...f2bde41a8c.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3n93Eb3...4388d2141f.jpg

did they they actually come this way ever? looks nice either way



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