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adventurepdx 03-23-15 07:47 PM

Three Speed Ride in Portland: 21 March 2015 report
 
We had a lovely 20 mile ramble 'round Portland. Eight folks braved the occasional rainshower to have a great time.

Full report: https://societyofthreespeeds.wordpre...21-march-2015/
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbana...7649185069593/

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7644/...e9150b99_z.jpg

adventurepdx 03-23-15 09:43 PM

OH yeah! For those of you doing the Lake Pepin ride in May, I'm organizing a three-speed camping tour after it!
https://societyofthreespeeds.wordpre...7-20-may-2015/

gster 03-24-15 08:59 AM

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Here's a 1949 SA hub and wheel on Ebay with a price of $875.00 (US). The seller is asking and additional $53.00 to ship to Canada with estimated import fees of $161.00! That's some hub!!
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=440896http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=440897
Here's another one. Obviously a mis-print but the shipping seems a little steep...
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=440906

smontanaro 03-24-15 09:01 AM

For that kind of coin you think he would at least clean the darn thing! :)

SirMike1983 03-24-15 09:11 AM

That ASC has been up for awhile. I think that price is steep, but then they come up pretty rarely, so I admit I don't know whether there actually is a "going price" for a good ASC.

rhm 03-24-15 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 17657216)
That ASC has been up for awhile. I think that price is steep, but then they come up pretty rarely, so I admit I don't know whether there actually is a "going price" for a good ASC.

I've seen them sell for $200-$400 depending on completeness, if my memory is correct. Now that you can get a complete S3X setup for under $150, the attraction of the original ASC is reduced to serious collectors and "period correct" people. I would consider an ASC too precious to ride except for special occasions.

Anyone interested should definitely check out the S3X, though.

gster 03-24-15 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 17657269)
I've seen them sell for $200-$400 depending on completeness, if my memory is correct. Now that you can get a complete S3X setup for under $150, the attraction of the original ASC is reduced to serious collectors and "period correct" people. I would consider an ASC too precious to ride except for special occasions.

Anyone interested should definitely check out the S3X, though.

So, perhaps that price is not outrageous...

Velocivixen 03-24-15 10:06 AM

Looks like something someone in Portland would ask for! Everyone here things their bike is "rare" and worth a lot.

rhm 03-24-15 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 17657442)
So, perhaps that price is not outrageous...

$875 plus shipping &c? Well, I save my outrage for more important things than overpriced bike parts. But, speaking of overpriced bike parts, I consider that hub overpriced by about $500.

noglider 03-24-15 11:03 AM

I had an S3X for a while. I liked it, but I got bored with it and sold it. The bike that had it is now a regular one-speed fixed gear.

SirMike1983 03-24-15 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 17657269)
I've seen them sell for $200-$400 depending on completeness, if my memory is correct. Now that you can get a complete S3X setup for under $150, the attraction of the original ASC is reduced to serious collectors and "period correct" people. I would consider an ASC too precious to ride except for special occasions.

Anyone interested should definitely check out the S3X, though.

Very steep then. Sunrace/Sturmey is making some interesting products today. I re-built a 1959 Schwinn last year with a new Sturmey 3-speed coaster brake, and I thought the quality was pretty good. The brake was strong enough, and the shifting was pretty good. I would agree that I'd just buy a S3X rather than pay too steep a price for an ASC.

nlerner 03-24-15 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 17657685)
I had an S3X for a while. I liked it, but I got bored with it and sold it. The bike that had it is now a regular one-speed fixed gear.

So a single fixed gear is less boring than 3 fixed gears?

noglider 03-24-15 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 17657722)
So a single fixed gear is less boring than 3 fixed gears?

Ha!

I had it geared with 2nd gear at 66 inches, so 2nd gear was too low, 3rd gear was high at 88 inches, and 1st gear was too low at 55 inches. The widely spaced gears didn't match the riding style. I can't even explain why there are times when I don't want a selection of gears. I have the fixed gear set up at 74 inches. There are no big hills near me.

JohnDThompson 03-24-15 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 17657722)
So a single fixed gear is less boring than 3 fixed gears?


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 17657734)
I had it geared with 2nd gear at 66 inches, so 2nd gear was too low, 3rd gear was high at 88 inches, and 1st gear was too low at 55 inches. The widely spaced gears didn't match the riding style.

The gear ratios (0.625/0.75/1.0) are the only issue I have with my S3X. I'd rather have the ASC ratios (0.75/0.9/1.0), personally. But ASC hubs are ridiculously expensive. I suspect if there were enough demand, Sturmey-Archer could make replacement axle/planet cages for the S3X with different ratios.

noglider 03-24-15 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 17658348)
The gear ratios (0.625/0.75/1.0) are the only issue I have with my S3X. I'd rather have the ASC ratios (0.75/0.9/1.0), personally. But ASC hubs are ridiculously expensive. I suspect if there were enough demand, Sturmey-Archer could make replacement axle/planet cages for the S3X with different ratios.

Dream on. The S3X is (or was) already a specialty item. Isn't it out of production already? I think there is a new replacement, but still, demand must be quite low.

gster 03-24-15 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 17658387)
Dream on. The S3X is (or was) already a specialty item. Isn't it out of production already? I think there is a new replacement, but still, demand must be quite low.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441009http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441010http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441011http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441012http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441013http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441014

DaytonaMike 03-24-15 03:26 PM

After 3 years I finally bought a new saddle for my 73 Sports. I had to get past paying twice for the saddle than I paid for the bike. I also hate to admit it, but the vinyl Brooks that it came with was pretty comfortable, at least for me. But the vinyl was ripping from the rivets and looking reall bad.
http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psozume1pw.jpghttp://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...psm3i8sv33.jpghttp://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/...pshdllkrnc.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 03-24-15 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by DaytonaMike (Post 17658592)
After 3 years I finally bought a new saddle for my 73 Sports. I had to get past paying twice for the saddle than I paid for the bike. I also hate to admit it, but the vinyl Brooks that it came with was pretty comfortable, at least for me. But the vinyl was ripping from the rivets and looking reall bad.

That's a nice, NICE Sports and it deserves a B-66! Interesting tires, what are they? They seem to have a highly reflective strip astride the gumwalls. Cool.

Amesja 03-24-15 05:12 PM

I think you can still find the vinyl covers for the old Brooks saddles NOS.

But this is still a nice and period-correct upgrade.

PalmettoUpstate 03-24-15 05:16 PM

Speaking of hubs....
 
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a certain sacrilege to speak of "the other guys" on this thread but I wanted people here to have a shot at the fantastic deal on the last one of these:

Coasting 700c 18" Med 3 Speed Shimano Coaster Dynamo Automatic Bike Bicycle New | eBay

I had been keeping a weather eye out for just the hub and controls stripped from a bike and this showed up. I grabbed one; this is the future of the IGH, IMO.

Amesja 03-24-15 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 17658831)
That's a nice, NICE Sports and it deserves a B-66! Interesting tires, what are they? They seem to have a highly reflective strip astride the gumwalls. Cool.

Those look like Michelin World Tours.

DaytonaMike 03-24-15 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 17658831)
That's a nice, NICE Sports and it deserves a B-66! Interesting tires, what are they? They seem to have a highly reflective strip astride the gumwalls. Cool.

Thanks for the compliment, but I must admit, its a 25 footer that photographs well:). Plenty of patina up close but I love this bike. The tires are Michelin World Tours with Schwalbe tubes. I am a Clydesdale and wanted tires I could pump up to 65 psi or so. The bike had Kenda gumwalls when I bought it and they were very nice also but were limited to 40 psi (I think).

PalmettoUpstate 03-24-15 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 17658866)
Those look like Michelin World Tours.

There's been a lot of talk about "best tires" for these bicycles on this thread and, while I've seen them mentioned a few times, no one seems to have pointed to the MWT's as a "go to" tire.

Odd, given the price point and Michelin's well deserved reputation for high quality...

BTW, I think I owe you an apology from many months back when we were discussing handlebars on Raleigh built bikes. I mistook a Hercules we own that was made in Holland for an English built bike. You had made the point that all of the Raleighs and Raleigh sub-brands had a Northroads type bar that gave ample room for the grips w/o forcing the trigger shifter into the radius of the bar - where it's squirrelly at best, impossible at worst.

So, yes, totally different handlebars on the Dutch bikes [like the one I have and had to do surgery on the grips] so you were correct... on the English built bikes there's no need to "shorten" the generic cork grips that are "out there", but on the Dutch built bikes, yes, sometimes you must...

I'll mine the post numbers and post them for reference as I want this thread to be as accurate as possible for those who come to the hobby/obsession in the future LOL!

FWIW, one of my "scouts" procured a men's version of the Dutch made Hercules bikes for me last week so I was able to close out this little mystery. [about the grips]

For that bike I have these on order and I hope they will mean no surgery needed on it!

Velo Cork 92 mm hand grips Velo Cork Bicycle Bike Handlebar Bar Grips Brown | eBay

Caio!

Amesja 03-24-15 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 17658928)
There's been a lot of talk about "best tires" for these bicycles on this thread and, while I've seen them mentioned a few times, no one seems to have pointed to the MWT's as a "go to" tire.

Odd, given the price point and Michelin's well deserved reputation for high quality...

BTW, I think I owe you an apology from many months back when we were discussing handlebars on Raleigh built bikes. I mistook a Hercules we own that was made in Holland for an English built bike. You had made the point that all of the Raleighs and Raleigh sub-brands had a Northroads type bar that gave ample room for the grips w/o forcing the trigger shifter into the radius of the bar - where it's squirrelly at best, impossible at worst.

So, yes, totally different handlebars on the Dutch bikes [like the one I have and had to do surgery on the grips] so you were correct... on the English built bikes there's no need to "shorten" the generic cork grips that are "out there", but on the Dutch built bikes, yes, sometimes you must...

I'll mine the post numbers and post them for reference as I want this thread to be as accurate as possible for those who come to the hobby/obsession in the future LOL!

FWIW, one of my "scouts" procured a men's version of the Dutch made Hercules bikes for me last week so I was able to close out this little mystery. [about the grips]

For that bike I have these on order and I hope they will mean no surgery needed on it!

Velo Cork 92 mm hand grips Velo Cork Bicycle Bike Handlebar Bar Grips Brown | eBay

Caio!

Until Pana starts making Paselas in 590 the World Tour is my Goto tire for that size and that's what I recommend to any of my customers who ride them. It's a great tire, and in that price range is hard to beat. The reflective sidewall is a great bonus too. I wish Panasonic would start putting it on their tires as well. It's a huge safety feature IMHO.

DaytonaMike 03-24-15 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 17658835)
I think you can still find the vinyl covers for the old Brooks saddles NOS.

But this is still a nice and period-correct upgrade.

I did not know this. I may have to search one out and try replacing the cover as a winter project.

PalmettoUpstate 03-24-15 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 17659049)
Until Pana starts making Paselas in 590 the World Tour is my Goto tire for that size and that's what I recommend to any of my customers who ride them. It's a great tire, and in that price range is hard to beat. The reflective sidewall is a great bonus too. I wish Panasonic would start putting it on their tires as well. It's a huge safety feature IMHO.

So I guess you're not in the Col de la Vie camp?

Here are three pics of the "Princess Pea"...

She's a very, very nice riding and smooth bike. If you notice the headbadge it says neither Made in Nottingham England nor Made in Birmingham England. Down at the bottom of the seat tube it has a decal that says something very close to: Made under license in the Netherlands.

So I guess on a Hercules one needs to determine which of these locales the bike was built in.

Anyway, long story short, there wasn't enough room on the handgrip area of the handlebars to mount those ubiquitous [and very nice] cork grips.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441052http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441053http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=441054

markk900 03-24-15 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 17659049)
Until Pana starts making Paselas in 590 the World Tour is my Goto tire for that size and that's what I recommend to any of my customers who ride them. It's a great tire, and in that price range is hard to beat. The reflective sidewall is a great bonus too. I wish Panasonic would start putting it on their tires as well. It's a huge safety feature IMHO.

Its the reflective stripe that puts me off the World Tours. I don't ride much at night so the safety aspect is a non-issue, and its already hard enough to find something that looks like gumwalls used to without a shiny band running through it.

I tried out the CdVs for the first time, getting out for a cold but longer ride the other day. They are very cushy over rougher roads, but I do feel they roll very slowly. Glad to have tried them, and I am sure they will last a while, but I'm not likely to buy another pair. The Paselas I tried on my Trek IGH conversion were ideal but not made in the 590 size.

Velocivixen 03-24-15 08:40 PM

I need a "3 speed" fix! My Prince Phillip(s) is pretty much done. Nothing more to do, but maybe upgrade the lightbulbs from Reflectalight. Emailed & they told me what front/rear bulb to get and the Xgen2 Regulator. Don't know if I want to spend the money for such an upgrade given that I'd likely use my modern battery lights at night anyway.

Have any of you done this with these particular bulbs?

Salubrious 03-24-15 09:32 PM

Sounds interesting! I've got LED bulbs in my lighting but I think they only conduct in one direction. From the sounds of it, the Nicelights light up in either direction off of fairly low power, so they stay on longer during the alternator pulse of the Dynohub. So you should get more light. The regulator sounds like its pretty important for that setup.

adventurepdx 03-25-15 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 17659049)
Until Pana starts making Paselas in 590 the World Tour is my Goto tire for that size...I wish Panasonic would start putting it on their tires as well. It's a huge safety feature IMHO.

Yeah, I wish there was a Pasela in 590 as well. It would be even better if they made it with the same "block" tread of the Col de la Vies. What we need is a Jan Heine type to convince Panasonic to take it on! ;) Of course, we could do the same thing that Compass and anyone else does when they want a fancy tire: call up Panasonic and have them make it for you. Wonder how much that would cost...


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