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arty dave 03-05-19 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Bauserman (Post 20821079)
1936 Hetchins Brilliant with Sturmey Archer K hub, Resillion brakes, Chater Lea chain setbipedal, Brooks B17 saddle and Dunlop lightweight rims.

Steve for some reason I can't see any of your images, are you hosting them somewhere that I could have a look at them?

Edit - Please ignore, I can see them now and they are lovely and I am jealous :) Very cool. The latest English bike I found is a 70's Viscount Aerospace Victor. Cool name, light frame, 5 speed positron gears. Might be a good hybrid SA candidate, something I've been wanting to try for a while, 2 cogs on an AW.

paulb_in_bkln 03-05-19 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Fat Tire Trader (Post 20823627)
Lauterwasser

Thanks!

oldveloman 03-06-19 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20823445)
I've never raced anything, but I'm still into motorcycles. Old Brits of course. I still have one left

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dcac9771d9.jpg

Nice Bonnie :)
I had a '76 T140. Lovely bike, but I always wanted one with drums instead of the useless disks they used during the seventies...
At the moment, I am restoring my '67 BSA B40WD that I crashed into a Jaguar 3 years ago. I will limp forever, but hope to finish the bike before the end of April.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...514edff7da.jpg

So, mostly british bikes here too... :lol:

Peter

Steve Bauserman 03-06-19 02:45 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20824305)
Steve for some reason I can't see any of your images, are you hosting them somewhere that I could have a look at them?

Edit - Please ignore, I can see them now and they are lovely and I am jealous :) Very cool. The latest English bike I found is a 70's Viscount Aerospace Victor. Cool name, light frame, 5 speed positron gears. Might be a good hybrid SA candidate, something I've been wanting to try for a while, 2 cogs on an AW.

You could use two dished SA cogs back to back by taking the spacer out. This can be done with the standard length axle.

BigChief 03-06-19 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 20824971)
Nice Bonnie :)
I had a '76 T140. Lovely bike, but I always wanted one with drums instead of the useless disks they used during the seventies...
At the moment, I am restoring my '67 BSA B40WD that I crashed into a Jaguar 3 years ago. I will limp forever, but hope to finish the bike before the end of April.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...514edff7da.jpg

So, mostly british bikes here too... :lol:

Peter

It's easy for me to see the crossover between these two interests. Similar in many ways. Lovely bike. Had to look it up. Never saw this model number before. War Department. Sold to the public as surplus I guess. In the States we got a similar model in street scrambler trim. The 441 Victor.

oldveloman 03-06-19 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20825051)
It's easy for me to see the crossover between these two interests. Similar in many ways. Lovely bike. Had to look it up. Never saw this model number before. War Department. Sold to the public as surplus I guess. In the States we got a similar model in street scrambler trim. The 441 Victor.

Yes, ex Ward Department. Most of these were sold to the public in the early eighties.
Frame and engine were similar to the Victor ( though the B40 is a 350cc ).
Sturdy and fun little bike

Peter

thumpism 03-06-19 08:00 AM

This is in the local co-op's dumpster. Hate to see a Sturmey wheel get tossed. Might go back for it, even though I have no use for it.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59e9d1c57.jpg

clubman 03-06-19 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 20824971)
Nice Bonnie :)
I had a '76 T140. Lovely bike, but I always wanted one with drums instead of the useless disks they used during the seventies...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...514edff7da.jpg
So, mostly british bikes here too... :lol:
Peter

Lovely bike and +1 on the drum brakes. The ATE single discs of the late 70's were the hydraulic equivalent to rod brakes.
Not British but a great ride. '72 R75/5

browngw 03-06-19 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20825143)
This is in the local co-op's dumpster. Hate to see a Sturmey wheel get tossed. Might go back for it, even though I have no use for it.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59e9d1c57.jpg

Thou must save it! 'Tis thy destiny and purpose!

BigChief 03-06-19 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20825143)
This is in the local co-op's dumpster. Hate to see a Sturmey wheel get tossed. Might go back for it, even though I have no use for it.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59e9d1c57.jpg

I do this for the cause of old roadster preservation all the time. Alone, this hub is of little value and is likely to be forgotten and lost, but in a collection of other bits is much more likely to find it's way to someone who will put it to good use.

paulb_in_bkln 03-06-19 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20825143)
This is in the local co-op's dumpster. Hate to see a Sturmey wheel get tossed. Might go back for it, even though I have no use for it.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59e9d1c57.jpg

Could never pass that by. Have become compulsive about rescuing and cleaning up unwanted AW hubs. (If you really don't want could you remove hub from wheel and send on to me?)

thumpism 03-06-19 11:09 AM

Did it. Fetched it home. One of you guys will probably wind up with it but that's a distinctly better fate than what was in store for it. Schwinn S-6 rim, as I opined in the "At the co-op" thread where I cross-posted, so the wheel is probably from a Breeze or Collegiate; 36H, May '77 hub date, 18T cog and the "handheld shifting" seems pretty crunchy but some lube and a hub adjust will probably fix it. I've seldom seen a bad AW.

See the other thread for another disappointing dumpster pic showing complete bikes.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36492cf8a0.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a987bb2183.jpg

Ged117 03-06-19 01:48 PM

1950 Superbe brakes
 
Hello all, I've run into a snag or two. The retaining nut is broken on the rear brake cable clamp. The front brake threaded cable bolt is broken in half. 70 years take their toll. Would a late '60s parts bike have direct replacements?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33139d1298.jpg

Salubrious 03-06-19 02:04 PM

^^Yes.

Ged117 03-06-19 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20825727)
^^Yes.

That's fantastic, thanks. Now to procure the abandoned bike and get the parts. I also need the chainguard clip pieces and the fully intact lighting system, front dynohub...

I have a crazy idea for the salvaged AW hub and dynohub involving a '1970s French 531 frame.This will be a good opportunity to rebuild an AW out of the wheel too - the originals on the derelict bike are goners. Good practice for the AG on my '50 Superbe, which will need the bearings replaced at least after 70 years of service and sitting.

The three-speed bug has bitten me hard.

Salubrious 03-06-19 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20825814)
Good practice for the AG on my '50 Superbe, which will need the bearings replaced at least after 70 years of service and sitting.

The three-speed bug has bitten me hard.

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It has a way of doing that. After a while you may find bikes with derailleurs to be a bit... boring.

Somewhere In the 1950s the dynohubs went from being painted black on the outside bit facing the fork to all chrome.

Ged117 03-06-19 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20825836)
'
It has a way of doing that. After a while you may find bikes with derailleurs to be a bit... boring.

Somewhere In the 1950s the dynohubs went from being painted black on the outside bit facing the fork to all chrome.

My AG hub has a Jan 1950 build date on it, and the outside part (the dynamo part) is black. The front dynohub on the late '60s Raleigh I will hopefully procure is chrome. A relation of mine has a beat up Gitane Reynolds 531 frame sitting in his basement crawl space, and I believe that it is time for an awakening powered by a sturmey-archer hub. I want to build something like an old Lenton Sports out of it. The front forks are green and the rest of the frame is blue (the bike was run over by my grandfather in the early '70s and the fork came from Gitane in the wrong colour). It'll need a new crank so I'll have to figure out the particulars.

carfreefamily 03-06-19 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20825848)
(the bike was run over by my grandfather in the early '70s

How many people get to make that claim!

BigChief 03-06-19 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20825848)
My AG hub has a Jan 1950 build date on it, and the outside part (the dynamo part) is black. The front dynohub on the late '60s Raleigh I will hopefully procure is chrome. A relation of mine has a beat up Gitane Reynolds 531 frame sitting in his basement crawl space, and I believe that it is time for an awakening powered by a sturmey-archer hub. I want to build something like an old Lenton Sports out of it. The front forks are green and the rest of the frame is blue (the bike was run over by my grandfather in the early '70s and the fork came from Gitane in the wrong colour). It'll need a new crank so I'll have to figure out the particulars.

Raleigh gradually phased out black finished parts in the 50s. By 1954 the Dyno hub was all chromed. The older black ones are quite rare.

3speedslow 03-06-19 05:53 PM

Black dynohubs... used up all their war time parts by the mid 50’s?

BigChief 03-06-19 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20826117)
Black dynohubs... used up all their war time parts by the mid 50’s?

My 51 Rudge has the black Dyno Hub. Black cable clips and black bolts on the mudguard stays and rear mudguard to frame mount. Every hub I've seen from 1954 on was chromed. So the change happened sometime between then. Notice the little Rs on the spoke heads.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...98e0a07de8.jpg

clubman 03-06-19 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20826117)
Black dynohubs... used up all their war time parts by the mid 50s?

Like BigChief, I've never seen one after 52. Oddly, my '51 is a 36 hole.

clubman 03-06-19 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20825702)
Hello all, I've run into a snag or two. The retaining nut is broken on the rear brake cable clamp. The front brake threaded cable bolt is broken in half. 70 years take their toll. Would a late '60s parts bike have direct replacements?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33139d1298.jpg

The double ended cables were phased out in the early 60's. Your problem is getting the right one. Different models and frame sizes required different lengths, especially for the rear brake.

BigChief 03-06-19 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20826197)
The double ended cables were phased out in the early 60's. Your problem is getting the right one. Different models and frame sizes required different lengths, especially for the rear brake.

This is going to be more complex than replacing the ball end cable. Ged has the original braided cable casings to preserve. It looks, from the picture, that the ball end may fit through the threaded hole in the broken stud. If it does, it would just be a matter of finding another ball end cable and using only the stud to make the repair. If it doesn't, it would still mean buying a ball end cable to rob the stud from and making up a new inner cable. A knarp could be used in place of the ball end or the original ball removed and silver soldered onto the new cable. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't trust 60/40 or tin solder on a brake cable.

oldveloman 03-07-19 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20825209)
Lovely bike and +1 on the drum brakes. The ATE single discs of the late 70's were the hydraulic equivalent to rod brakes.
Not British but a great ride. '72 R75/5

Those single disks were chromium plated, what made them bad performers overall, but completely useless in damp weather.

Peter

BigChief 03-07-19 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 20826561)
Those single disks were chromium plated, what made them bad performers overall, but completely useless in damp weather.

Peter

I remember those. They were a step down from the twin leading shoe brakes of the late 60s. People ask me if I feel unsafe riding with old fashioned drum brakes. In fact, they are quite good. Thing is, unlike bicycles, the older bikes were much lighter than they are today. My Bonnie weighs 375 pounds wet. I sat on a new version and it was a whole lot more than that. I didn't want to take it on a test ride. Felt like a tank. Besides they now shift on the wrong side.

Ged117 03-07-19 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20826318)
This is going to be more complex than replacing the ball end cable. Ged has the original braided cable casings to preserve. It looks, from the picture, that the ball end may fit through the threaded hole in the broken stud. If it does, it would just be a matter of finding another ball end cable and using only the stud to make the repair. If it doesn't, it would still mean buying a ball end cable to rob the stud from and making up a new inner cable. A knarp could be used in place of the ball end or the original ball removed and silver soldered onto the new cable. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't trust 60/40 or tin solder on a brake cable.

The original braided cable casings are in excellent shape and require cleaning only. In fact, I would like to retain and clean / lube the original cables too. The ball end does indeed fit through the threaded hole in the broken stud. The stud I need for the rear, the threaded bolt on the end of the cable I need for the front. They crumbled in my hands after gingerly taking them apart (and after a day or so in Liquidwrench). I have a line on a derelict 1968 Sports (I eyeballed the hub...) and I believe I will get the parts from it, among other things. It amuses me that I am already thinking about my next three-speed project...a Gitane Reynolds 531 AKA poor man's Raleigh Lenton. I'd like to buy a '50s FW four-speed from British ebay, but perhaps the derelict bike's '68 AW will be OK.

gster 03-07-19 08:46 AM

Here's a Raleigh Folder that appeared on Kijij, Toronto
Asking price $160.00
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ee433987d.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea8cbe3628.jpg

gster 03-07-19 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20826732)
The original braided cable casings are in excellent shape and require cleaning only. In fact, I would like to retain and clean / lube the original cables too. The ball end does indeed fit through the threaded hole in the broken stud. The stud I need for the rear, the threaded bolt on the end of the cable I need for the front. They crumbled in my hands after gingerly taking them apart (and after a day or so in Liquidwrench). I have a line on a derelict 1968 Sports (I eyeballed the hub...) and I believe I will get the parts from it, among other things. It amuses me that I am already thinking about my next three-speed project...a Gitane Reynolds 531 AKA poor man's Raleigh Lenton. I'd like to buy a '50s FW four-speed from British ebay, but perhaps the derelict bike's '68 AW will be OK.

I generally replace the old style calipers with the "new" versions so that I can run regular brake cables.
I have a couple of bikes with the original old style but have found NOS cables almost impossible to find and
also very expensive if found.
Also, as stated, so many different lengths..
I bought a NOS shifter cable at a swap meet.
It's too short for anything other that a chopper style bike.
Also, as stated earlier, keep the original cable housings and
replace the cable.
The original casings curve and "hug" the frame in a more elegant manner.
Here's an example of a cable that is probably too short, not to mention the messes up routing...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf669d5a26.jpg
I tend to cut my cables a bit longer than stock and give them a nice sweep around the bars..
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97bb1a2d5d.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f99a292fa.jpg

3speedslow 03-07-19 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20826801)
Here's a Raleigh Folder that appeared on Kijij, Toronto
Asking price $160.00
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ee433987d.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea8cbe3628.jpg

Nice looking! Did the Canadian models all come with painted mudguards? I am in talks with someone close who has a Canadian model with the painted instead of chrome MGs.


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