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nlerner 05-01-19 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20909650)
Would anyone know the span of the jaws for those? Also the thickness of them? There is a dark corner of dead tools at the LBS I play at. Might be some buried in the pile.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ea67f885_b.jpg

3speedslow 05-01-19 04:35 PM

Thanks @nlerner

i know I’ve seen several that look that shape but if not SA, might still have that span. Hunting on Friday!

3speedslow 05-01-19 04:39 PM

On another note, now that the SOTS April Challenge is over I want to go ahead and switch my 451 20” rims for some aluminium ones. Sorry to find out that pickings in that ISO are slim indeed. Might have to settle for a black CR18 product. Looks like it would match up close enough to tape the rims together and transfer the spokes over though.

i will be sticking with 451

Anybody else find this to be true, scarcity and ease?

HPL 05-02-19 02:16 AM

Slipping gears, No More!
 

Originally Posted by gster (Post 20896811)
I've changed my "handle" from hater to Gster.

Hi Gster, glad you claimed your identification back!

I removed any extraneous fittings I installed, tweaked the indicator and it shifting like normal. Apparently my fabrication was causing just enough delay to keep things from adjusting to the correct position for proper shifting action. I will still attempt to cover that area again to prevent grit/dirt etc. from getting into hub; but might go with a non-flexible elbow this time and see how it works. Believe the indicator chain was hanging up on the rubber boot for a 1 second or so, and a hard elbow should avoid that problem as well as providing a better sweeping elbow for the chain. Thanks for the help everyone!

I've yet to put any photos of the Raleigh in my album, so I'll try to get it on shortly.

It's getting handmade custom leather panniers I'm making from some scrap material I have lying about. Have already removed OE grips and installed some leather strip wrapping I've made of the same leather as the panniers will be. The bike is called "The Black Widow", and will have some embellishments of black widow "hourglass" symbols on the panniers.

I did have some issues with the bar grips due to the thickness of the leather, thus I finished with external brass bar caps, vice internal plugs. Wrap is comfortable, but I might modify the end caps by removing the knurling and making smooth to the rest of the cap. Next time I'm pressing the edges of the leather strip to make it sit smoother once wrapped. Any advice folks; please let me know.

This bike is going to be used in a motorcycle "poker run" (it said all vehicles welcome!) in a month and a half so everything needs to function and look correct. Expect to ride about 40-50 miles that day, should be interesting. Support your VETS!

gster 05-02-19 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by HPL (Post 20910398)
Hi Gster, glad you claimed your identification back!

I removed any extraneous fittings I installed, tweaked the indicator and it shifting like normal. Apparently my fabrication was causing just enough delay to keep things from adjusting to the correct position for proper shifting action. I will still attempt to cover that area again to prevent grit/dirt etc. from getting into hub; but might go with a non-flexible elbow this time and see how it works. Believe the indicator chain was hanging up on the rubber boot for a 1 second or so, and a hard elbow should avoid that problem as well as providing a better sweeping elbow for the chain. Thanks for the help everyone!

I've yet to put any photos of the Raleigh in my album, so I'll try to get it on shortly.

It's getting handmade custom leather panniers I'm making from some scrap material I have lying about. Have already removed OE grips and installed some leather strip wrapping I've made of the same leather as the panniers will be. The bike is called "The Black Widow", and will have some embellishments of black widow "hourglass" symbols on the panniers.

I did have some issues with the bar grips due to the thickness of the leather, thus I finished with external brass bar caps, vice internal plugs. Wrap is comfortable, but I might modify the end caps by removing the knurling and making smooth to the rest of the cap. Next time I'm pressing the edges of the leather strip to make it sit smoother once wrapped. Any advice folks; please let me know.

This bike is going to be used in a motorcycle "poker run" (it said all vehicles welcome!) in a month and a half so everything needs to function and look correct. Expect to ride about 40-50 miles that day, should be interesting. Support your VETS!

These little indicator boots/guards are still available.
They're one of the first things to get lost over the years.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac684993a2.jpg
One of my bikes still has one.
Not sure if they really do much.

julius rensch 05-02-19 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by HPL (Post 20910398)
Hi Gster, glad you claimed your identification back!

I removed any extraneous fittings I installed, tweaked the indicator and it shifting like normal. Apparently my fabrication was causing just enough delay to keep things from adjusting to the correct position for proper shifting action. I will still attempt to cover that area again to prevent grit/dirt etc. from getting into hub; but might go with a non-flexible elbow this time and see how it works. Believe the indicator chain was hanging up on the rubber boot for a 1 second or so, and a hard elbow should avoid that problem as well as providing a better sweeping elbow for the chain. Thanks for the help everyone!

I've yet to put any photos of the Raleigh in my album, so I'll try to get it on shortly.

It's getting handmade custom leather panniers I'm making from some scrap material I have lying about. Have already removed OE grips and installed some leather strip wrapping I've made of the same leather as the panniers will be. The bike is called "The Black Widow", and will have some embellishments of black widow "hourglass" symbols on the panniers.

I did have some issues with the bar grips due to the thickness of the leather, thus I finished with external brass bar caps, vice internal plugs. Wrap is comfortable, but I might modify the end caps by removing the knurling and making smooth to the rest of the cap. Next time I'm pressing the edges of the leather strip to make it sit smoother once wrapped. Any advice folks; please let me know.

This bike is going to be used in a motorcycle "poker run" (it said all vehicles welcome!) in a month and a half so everything needs to function and look correct. Expect to ride about 40-50 miles that day, should be interesting. Support your VETS!

Great tips..thanks Gster!

Julius in Ohio

JohnDThompson 05-02-19 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20910556)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac684993a2.jpg
One of my bikes still has one.
Not sure if they really do much.

They help prevent the indicator chain from being damaged if you bike gets knocked over.

julius rensch 05-02-19 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 20911001)
They help prevent the indicator chain from being damaged if you bike gets knocked over.

Thanks...we used to make them ourselves out of walking cane rubber tips back in the 1950's.

gster 05-02-19 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by julius rensch (Post 20911222)
Thanks...we used to make them ourselves out of walking cane rubber tips back in the 1950's.

If only we so lucky!
We used hollowed out rat skulls....

3speedslow 05-02-19 04:05 PM

Dang,

451 ISO rims are out of stock until early June.

ascherer 05-02-19 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20911515)
If only we so lucky!
We used hollowed out rat skulls....

Luxury!

We had to sell our rat skulls for tubes with holes in them

arty dave 05-02-19 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20909891)
On another note, now that the SOTS April Challenge is over I want to go ahead and switch my 451 20” rims for some aluminium ones. Sorry to find out that pickings in that ISO are slim indeed. Might have to settle for a black CR18 product. Looks like it would match up close enough to tape the rims together and transfer the spokes over though.

i will be sticking with 451

Anybody else find this to be true, scarcity and ease?

Just a comment on transferring spokes - I haven't tried taping rims together but this sounds like a great idea. I got super frustrated a couple of weeks ago when I'd got confused with the instructions for lacing 40h rims and got the valve hole in the wrong place. (I can usually get 36 hole rims laced correct the 1st time, but jeebers crikey the 32h front SA drum hub with the double 'peanut' holes on one side nearly had me chucking the whole thing in the back creek).
So I needed to rotate each spoke 1 or 2 holes, can't remember now, to get the valve hole in the right place. I used tie wire at the spoke crossings so that the hub could remain spoked and be moved as a whole 'unit'. Undo spoke nipples, rotate spokes and hub, replace spoke nipples. I used the little plastic coated twist ties that come with freezer bags. Wish I'd thought of this before now.

gster 05-02-19 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 20911695)
Luxury!

We had to sell our rat skulls for tubes with holes in them

Tubes with holes in 'em?
I wish!
We had to stuff our tires
full of old rags and banana peels!

gster 05-03-19 08:04 AM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e9aef679ec.png

gster 05-03-19 02:39 PM

Community Spirit Makes the Wheels Go Roundhttps://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8028702c26.jpgPicked up my front Westwood wheel today for the 1930 Hercules.
A lot of people helped in this project.
The NOS rim from Clubman in Nova Scotia
The NOS hub from Hoop Rider in Owen Sound
The NOS tire from my friend George in Parkdale
And Riders Bikes for putting it all together.
And everyone else that makes helpful comments
on this forum.
Now to put it on the bike.

gster 05-03-19 03:05 PM

Installed.
I need to manipulate the front fender a bit.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05c5596968.jpg

3speedslow 05-03-19 05:47 PM

Looks great! Love it when a group effort produces the win. Great going you all!

drooling over the Bike show coming around up there. Sure to be a big time for everyone. Almost don’t want to see the great stuff you all bring home. Almost...

Today I got the new aluminium seatpost for the R20. Lots more post down the seat tube and good micro adjustments for the Colt saddle. No time to look for the SA spanners which might be hiding at the LBS. maybe tomorrow.

clubman 05-03-19 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20912988)
Installed.
I need to manipulate the front fender a bit.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05c5596968.jpg

Looks great. I think you need a big-arse rear rack for hauling rocks, animal carcasses, piston engines...

gster 05-03-19 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20913159)
Looks great! Love it when a group effort produces the win. Great going you all!

drooling over the Bike show coming around up there. Sure to be a big time for everyone. Almost donít want to see the great stuff you all bring home. Almost...

Today I got the new aluminium seatpost for the R20. Lots more post down the seat tube and good micro adjustments for the Colt saddle. No time to look for the SA spanners which might be hiding at the LBS. maybe tomorrow.

Yeah, it's a good show.
The trouble with those SA spanners is that they're so small
and easy to misplace....
I'm sure there's a warehouse in New Jersey
full of them.

gster 05-03-19 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20913234)
Looks great. I think you need a big-arse rear rack for hauling rocks, animal carcasses, piston engines...

I think it's time (again) for
Monty Pythons
Bicycle Repairman!

better link
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2howud

Cycle Tourist 05-03-19 08:43 PM

Dunelt
 
I had a Dunelt when I was about 10. When I finally grew enough to reach the pedals I removed the fenders, chain guard and reversed the handlebars. I was the fastest kid in town.😙

BigChief 05-04-19 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by Cycle Tourist (Post 20913327)
I had a Dunelt when I was about 10. When I finally grew enough to reach the pedals I removed the fenders, chain guard and reversed the handlebars. I was the fastest kid in town.😙

That makes you an official Scorcher. I even recreated my boyhood Rudge although since I don't last long on drop bars these days, the bars are upright. It also has a kickstand which I would never have had on my "racing bike" when I was a kid. I wouldn't have wanted all that extra weight slowing me down!

gster 05-04-19 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20913484)
That makes you an official Scorcher. I even recreated my boyhood Rudge although since I don't last long on drop bars these days, the bars are upright. It also has a kickstand which I would never have had on my "racing bike" when I was a kid. I wouldn't have wanted all that extra weight slowing me down!

Good point. Those old double legged stands are quite heavy.
I remove them and usually replace with an aluminum single.
In fact, a few years ago I bought an old Dunelt (since stolen) from a guy for $50.00.
It was going to be a scorcher build.
I stripped off the fenders, kickstand, saddle, light etc
and posted the parts for sale on Kijiji.
The same guy that sold me the bike
came over and bought the parts back!
I couldn't charge much...
As Purchased
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5ebecd743a.jpg
As stolen
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3aa3f4da6a.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 05-04-19 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20911831)
Tubes with holes in 'em?
I wish!
We had to stuff our tires
full of old rags and banana peels!

Everybody talks about the good old days but if your family was too poor to afford compressed air you knew suffering.

3speedslow 05-04-19 03:58 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03cdc6c04.jpeg
So no SA spanners yet but did pull a shifter out of a bin which is in great shape yet missing the lever. My thinking is I can punch the pin which secures the lever and put another in its place. Plastic cover in such nice shape.

other bits are a lone lock washer, some more old metal valve caps and a one piece bolt for the 3speedslow chain. I like those better then the 2 bolt system on my R20.

Q? Anyone heard of a coaster hub with screw on cog made by Perry of England? I think the name is perry.

gster 05-04-19 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20914141)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03cdc6c04.jpeg
So no SA spanners yet but did pull a shifter out of a bin which is in great shape yet missing the lever. My thinking is I can punch the pin which secures the lever and put another in its place. Plastic cover in such nice shape.

other bits are a lone lock washer, some more old metal valve caps and a one piece bolt for the 3speedslow chain. I like those better then the 2 bolt system on my R20.

Q? Anyone heard of a coaster hub with screw on cog made by Perry of England? I think the name is perry.

Yeah, Perry were big back in the day.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Perry_and_Co

Well, there's your problem.: Perry Coaster Hub

gster 05-04-19 05:52 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8fc759e6f8.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a96e51f4e3.jpg

clubman 05-04-19 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20914141)
Q? Anyone heard of a coaster hub with screw on cog made by Perry of England? I think the name is perry.

Perry's were very popular in the post war period when Britain was retooling. I've come across a dozen of them in my time yet none of them worked well, if at all.

gster 05-04-19 05:54 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...790bb80d1c.jpg

browngw 05-04-19 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20914231)

I'll take one P314 22T at $0.70 please. Looks like the same threaded cog on my Brampton 3 speed (also made in Birmingham) on the Royal Nord President.


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