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Road Fan 05-15-19 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20930195)
I think "indefinitely" is the right word. Barring an accident. Neglect can ruin them--I see abandoned Raleighs here all the time where the frame, fenders, rims, and BB are beyond recovery--but with maintenance the bike, not counting chain, cables, brake pads, etc., will go forever.

I agree, completely! The failure modes of steel parts (including tubing) are well-known, and steel parts don't just break if they haven't been under excessive (i.e. inelastic) stress.

Prevent corrosion, wear, and undue cold-setting, and there's really no reason the steel parts of a 3-speed should fail. Rubber parts are maintenance items - use them as long as you can, but just being in atmosphere they will degrade. I realize this can re-open an old argument about fatigue of steel, but, well, I'm not going to argue over long-established science. Use the Wiki.

I really don't have concerns about using 10 year old tires with no signs of decay, but ... not 30 years or more.

carfreefamily 05-15-19 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20929522)
I'm 63 now and already worn the first hub out, despite keeping it lubricated- I've put a lot of miles on this thing. Admittedly the hub had lots of miles when I first got it. I've now got a '61 hub installed. I don't ride it where there is ice and salt- I like it a bit too much for that.

I'm curious about what wore out on the hub. It looks like most things can be replaced, except maybe the teeth in the shell where the low gear pawls engage. (Are they called teeth?) Over years and years, do those wear down to the point the pawls won't engage?

Everything else seems replaceable, and parts seem to still be readily available.

cromagnum 05-15-19 10:29 AM

Hello all I have a 1969 3 speed Drake from India. I do believe it is actually a Raleigh that they outsourced. I just started cleaning it up and hope to just cruise around with it. All black except the tail portion of the rear fender.I cant post pictures because I am to new to the forum.

Salubrious 05-15-19 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by carfreefamily (Post 20931200)
I'm curious about what wore out on the hub. It looks like most things can be replaced, except maybe the teeth in the shell where the low gear pawls engage. (Are they called teeth?) Over years and years, do those wear down to the point the pawls won't engage?

Everything else seems replaceable, and parts seem to still be readily available.

Who knows how many miles was on the bike before I aquired it, but I know that the guy I got it from was riding in snow and salt as the rims were shot (he provided a set of raw CR18s with the bike when I got it).

The planetary gears were pretty worn, the clutch was rounded, the sliding bit had a ridge on it that prevented it shifting easily from 3rd to 2nd, the bearings pitted. Its certainly rebuildable, but a lot cheaper to get a different hub since they are only $5.00 at my local LBS in the drawer marked '3-speed hubs', plus about an hour to take the wheel apart and rebuild it with the replacement.

Salubrious 05-15-19 04:05 PM

Looks like its too far up. Lower it about 2 inches and it will probably be OK. Easy part to find BTW.

gster 05-15-19 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20931776)
Can anyone tell me what is likely to be wrong with this handlebar stem?

Seller says it is loose and he gave it trying to restore the bike.

Asking price is very good, but the loose, crooked stem worries me that something is badly wrong with the head tube or fork.

It'll cost me a tank of gas, to the drive out there to check it out in person.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...76b97ee6c3.png

Yeah, stems too high up.
Simple fix.
Forks look good.

capnjonny 05-15-19 11:42 PM

I just brought home a couple more british bikes from the Bike Exchange, another red Hercules and an olive green Raleigh Sprite 5 speed. Both bikes are in decent riding condition with good tires. The Hercules has had new aluminum rims laced on to the original 1962 hubs with heavy galvanized spokes. The Raleigh has the original steel wheels in good condition with little rust.





Can any one give me a little info on the Sprite. I have not seen any with the short chainguard. I measured the seat tube at 59 cm. center of crank to top of tube.





I am considering swapping the wheels from the Herc onto the Raleigh and turning it into a 3 speed. I think the paint will clean up very well and the aluminum wheels will look great.


The Hercules will get the front wheel from the raleigh and a rear wheel from the shop.





Alternatively I can leave everything as is and maybe put a new derailleur and freewheel on the Sprite .





What do you all think?



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab0ea3f1d0.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01874458a3.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8acf041bb0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a63d261a1.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 05-16-19 05:51 AM

Not germane to any subject of the moment, but I just looked at Brooks's website and couldn't find the B72 saddle. I guess they've eliminated it. Possibly it didn't sell as the B72 can't be mounted on a modern integrated seatpost. Shame. I not crazy about the B17 I bought recently. I have a B72 with a broken frame and it looks like I can buy a new frame. Going to take the saddle to a cobbler and ask if he can move the leather cover to a new frame.

gster 05-16-19 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20932254)
I just brought home a couple more british bikes from the Bike Exchange, another red Hercules and an olive green Raleigh Sprite 5 speed. Both bikes are in decent riding condition with good tires. The Hercules has had new aluminum rims laced on to the original 1962 hubs with heavy galvanized spokes. The Raleigh has the original steel wheels in good condition with little rust.





Can any one give me a little info on the Sprite. I have not seen any with the short chainguard. I measured the seat tube at 59 cm. center of crank to top of tube.





I am considering swapping the wheels from the Herc onto the Raleigh and turning it into a 3 speed. I think the paint will clean up very well and the aluminum wheels will look great.


The Hercules will get the front wheel from the raleigh and a rear wheel from the shop.





Alternatively I can leave everything as is and maybe put a new derailleur and freewheel on the Sprite .





What do you all think?



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab0ea3f1d0.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01874458a3.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8acf041bb0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a63d261a1.jpg

A good score.
The Sprite would make a nice Scorcher.
That chain guard was often used on the Raleigh
Gliders made for Eatons here in Canada.
The Huret derailleur is period correct but
somewhat average in performance.
You certainly have some options

clubman 05-16-19 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20932254)

Can any one give me a little info on the Sprite. I have not seen any with the short chainguard. I measured the seat tube at 59 cm. center of crank to top of tube.

I am considering swapping the wheels from the Herc onto the Raleigh and turning it into a 3 speed.

What do you all think?

I had an Eatons version (@gster noted) of that Sprite in 1970. The Huret was correct although they later switched to Simplex so maybe your bike is an mishmash. It will take 27" wheels so swapping in a larger, alloy set is fine. The short chainguard is designed to prevent chain rub on a derailleur equipped bike. French bikes often sported these.

I'd ride the herc if it fit me. Alloy wheels are a big bonus.

gster 05-17-19 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20932421)
I had an Eatons version (@gster noted) of that Sprite in 1970. The Huret was correct although they later switched to Simplex so maybe your bike is an mishmash. It will take 27" wheels so swapping in a larger, alloy set is fine. The short chainguard is designed to prevent chain rub on a derailleur equipped bike. French bikes often sported these.

I'd ride the herc if it fit me. Alloy wheels are a big bonus.

Riding through an alley here in Parkdale last night, I came across a Glider/Sprite that had been adandoned or put out for trash. I stopped for a look but the bike was severely damaged.
Either a very bad crash or more likely something heavy had fallen on it.
The bars were crushed and twisted and a major dent in the rear stays...
I left it alone.

Ged117 05-17-19 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20934066)
Riding through an alley here in Parkdale last night, I came across a Glider/Sprite that had been adandoned or put out for trash. I stopped for a look but the bike was severely damaged.
Either a very bad crash or more likely something heavy had fallen on it.
The bars were crushed and twisted and a major dent in the rear stays...
I left it alone.

Something similar happened to me recently on my ride home from work. I took the road less traveled, and saw an old frame tied to a fence, and clearly abandoned. Closer inspection revealed that it was a Sears bike of some kind, with a Shimano 333 hub. I left it alone. It was in scrap metal condition.

paulb_in_bkln 05-17-19 07:05 PM

Anyone have the contact information for the person who re-covers Brooks saddles?

clubman 05-17-19 07:14 PM

@rhm

gster 05-18-19 05:26 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f40d75e735.jpg
Toronto Vintage Bicycle Show Rides Again!
I dropped the permit application off at City Hall yesterday afternoon
for the show.
July 28, 2019
Trinity Bellwoods park
Toronto
Once approved, I'll post some posters.

gster 05-18-19 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20932254)
I just brought home a couple more british bikes from the Bike Exchange, another red Hercules and an olive green Raleigh Sprite 5 speed. Both bikes are in decent riding condition with good tires. The Hercules has had new aluminum rims laced on to the original 1962 hubs with heavy galvanized spokes. The Raleigh has the original steel wheels in good condition with little rust.





Can any one give me a little info on the Sprite. I have not seen any with the short chainguard. I measured the seat tube at 59 cm. center of crank to top of tube.





I am considering swapping the wheels from the Herc onto the Raleigh and turning it into a 3 speed. I think the paint will clean up very well and the aluminum wheels will look great.


The Hercules will get the front wheel from the raleigh and a rear wheel from the shop.





Alternatively I can leave everything as is and maybe put a new derailleur and freewheel on the Sprite .





What do you all think?



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab0ea3f1d0.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01874458a3.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8acf041bb0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a63d261a1.jpg

I put that same chain guard on a 1960 Norman a few years back.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a277c9288.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 05-18-19 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20935579)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f40d75e735.jpg
Toronto Vintage Bicycle Show Rides Again!
I dropped the permit application off at City Hall yesterday afternoon
for the show.
July 28, 2019
Trinity Bellwoods park
Toronto
Once approved, I'll post some posters.

Whee! Great picture.

paulb_in_bkln 05-18-19 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20935271)

Thanks, Clubman.

paulb_in_bkln 05-18-19 06:44 AM

Our local Bike Jumble is today. I'm going over to nose around; last time there was nothing, yes, nothing, for three-speeds. Don't expect this one to be different but there's always hope.

eatontkd 05-18-19 06:55 AM

Spent some time cleaning parts for my '56 Hercules "Royal Prince". I used plain ol' white vinegar with some good results!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2c2049510c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c55f651c85.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c9d7844075.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bc0faab34e.jpg

Still in the need for rubber pedal blocks. Anyone know of a source or have any?

gster 05-18-19 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by eatontkd (Post 20935639)
Spent some time cleaning parts for my '56 Hercules "Royal Prince". I used plain ol' white vinegar with some good results!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2c2049510c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c55f651c85.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c9d7844075.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bc0faab34e.jpg

Still in the need for rubber pedal blocks. Anyone know of a source or have any?

That vinegar really works.
Could you not swap out some new rubber blocks from a pair of MKS pedals?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4a097e0d9e.jpg
They make a set without reflectors as well.

eatontkd 05-18-19 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20935690)
That vinegar really works.
Could you not swap out some new rubber blocks from a pair of MKS pedals?

They make a set without reflectors as well.

Looks like I may have to. eBay, here I come...

merziac 05-18-19 03:41 PM

Went to the Albany OR vintage bike show last Sat. Mostly barn find, balloon tire and BMX with no love for road bikes but got plenty of looks and compliments on the 58 Paramount and my wife's 52? Raleigh Sports that reportedly came from Holland and has the long engraved registration numbers on the seatube.

Had a good time and saw quite few cool bikes.

The 3 speed Society had an annual ride that started and ended at the show, a couple of them showed a lot of appreciation for the Paramount as well.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab4f5922eb.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b7891e5fb2.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99baed153c.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b2e58d9d24.jpg

3speedslow 05-18-19 04:41 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fd281ac8c.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f38d477b.jpeg
Took my 3 speed Raleigh Twenty to the Ride of Silence in Greenville, NC. Ken from BF was also there. The folder was perfect for the 10 mile city then country riding the course took us on. Lots of news coverage so I made sure to wear the SOTS button I got from SG.

Oldsledz 05-18-19 08:32 PM

I made the 15 mile round trip to the gas station today on my 1972 Raleigh Sports, I was a little late getting there I think they closed about the time this bike was made.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...944c63fd43.jpg

gster 05-19-19 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by Oldsledz (Post 20936534)
I made the 15 mile round trip to the gas station today on my 1972 Raleigh Sports, I was a little late getting there I think they closed about the time this bike was made.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...944c63fd43.jpg

Good photo.
Reminds me of a Route 66 trip I did years ago (in a car...)

gster 05-19-19 07:04 AM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d65a75fb9c.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...517288f00f.png
A couple of Teaser posters....

gster 05-19-19 07:23 AM

In Praise of a Slack Chain...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...326a6e0f8d.jpg
I've been bootin' around on my Robin Hood lately and really enjoying it.
It's been cobbled together from the parts bin but is running a very smooth
62 hub.
The chain is somewhat slacker than I usually set them but perhaps
this is the way to go.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...70b8f36139.jpg
It's an old chain as well.

dweenk 05-19-19 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Oldsledz (Post 20936534)
I made the 15 mile round trip to the gas station today on my 1972 Raleigh Sports, I was a little late getting there I think they closed about the time this bike was made.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...944c63fd43.jpg

I am surprised that the old pump hasn't been stolen and sold to a collector.

3speedslow 05-19-19 12:47 PM

Mike and Frank haven’t passed that way yet.

very nice Sport you have for the trip. Next bring some coffee to brew.


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