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gster 12-21-19 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21253280)
So what shifters are in demand. I assume the ones with windows, 4 speeds, inverted lettering. What about prewar frame mounted shifters, like I have on the 39?

I like anything prior to the crappy plastic faced triggers.

BigChief 12-21-19 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21253686)
I like anything prior to the crappy plastic faced triggers.

The 50s windows are my favorites. Mostly because I like the longer lever, but I think the trigger shifter reached perfection was the pre window 3 or 4 speed with the whole plate embossed in relief. That's when they got the internal leaf spring, threaded ferrule port and the case hardened ratchet plate was slotted for the sausage style cable end. Like this one


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a8a0589ef.jpg



the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6aef1b5df6.jpg

clubman 12-21-19 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21253686)
I like anything prior to the crappy plastic faced triggers.

The black plastic dipped thumb version makes me gag a little.

paulb_in_bkln 12-22-19 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21253986)
The 50s windows are my favorites. Mostly because I like the longer lever, but I think the trigger shifter reached perfection was the pre window 3 or 4 speed with the whole plate embossed in relief. That's when they got the internal leaf spring, threaded ferrule port and the case hardened ratchet plate was slotted for the sausage style cable end. Like this one


the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful


Is there anything that will substitute for one of the original trigger shifters with a 4 speed?

BigChief 12-22-19 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21254400)
Is there anything that will substitute for one of the original trigger shifters with a 4 speed?

SA continued to make the window style 4 speed shifters (without window) well into the 70s. They have the same case, internal leaf spring, longer lever and bolt on the strap instead of the through body that started for 3 speeds in the mid 50s. I see them occasionally on eBay. One of those or the earlier 3 or 4 speed are what you would need.

paulb_in_bkln 12-22-19 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21254420)
SA continued to make the window style 4 speed shifters (without window) well into the 70s. They have the same case, internal leaf spring, longer lever and bolt on the strap instead of the through body that started for 3 speeds in the mid 50s. I see them occasionally on eBay. One of those or the earlier 3 or 4 speed are what you would need.

Ah. So there isn't a handlebar end shifter that would have the correct indexing?

BigChief 12-22-19 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21254487)
Ah. So there isn't a handlebar end shifter that would have the correct indexing?

I don't know about that, but the indexing on SA hubs isn't even. I guess one would have to give it a try before knowing how it would work out. I'd be interested in hearing about it if you experiment.

nlerner 12-22-19 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 21254487)
Ah. So there isn't a handlebar end shifter that would have the correct indexing?

S-A makes a 3-speed and a 5-speed bar-end shifter (both of which can be used on downtube mounts) but not a 4-speed that Iím aware of. Maybe the clicks are properly spaced on the 5-speed unit? Somehow I doubt it

gster 12-23-19 12:32 PM

We Three Speeds....
Old Faithful helps me again
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...32a4180ca8.jpg
Wheeled it home from the tree lot up the street.
Happy Holidays to all!

Johno59 12-23-19 02:16 PM

Why the Index?
 
SA gears are pretty well spaced,, so on a non- indexed shifter, you can easily feel for the shifter travel to select gears. The clutch spring on the average SA hub is quite strong , so not every slide shifter can cope but there are plenty that can deal with the pull, so you don't ghost shift.

bluesteak 12-24-19 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21255837)
We Three Speeds....
Old Faithful helps me again
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...32a4180ca8.jpg
Wheeled it home from the tree lot up the street.
Happy Holidays to all!

I love it. I can hear my wife. You arenít taking the bike to get the tree???

Merry Christmas.

Ballenxj 12-24-19 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21256668)
I love it. I can hear my wife. You arenít taking the bike to get the tree???

Merry Christmas.

With a trailer you could. Merry Christmas back at ya. :)

curbtender 12-24-19 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21256668)
I love it. I can hear my wife. You arenít taking the bike to get the tree???

Merry Christmas.

When I first saw it the first thing that came to mind was how was it going to shift...

gster 12-26-19 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by curbtender (Post 21256942)
When I first saw it the first thing that came to mind was how was it going to shift...

Isn't it obvious?
Three on the tree....

Commando 12-26-19 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21259225)
Isn't it obvious?
Three on the tree....

:roflmao:

dweenk 12-26-19 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21259225)
Isn't it obvious?
Three on the tree....

You are talking about my '59 Chevy Biscayne that served me for 150,002 miles and still running when I sold it for $300 in 1968. It had the inline six that couldn't die, and oh did I neglect it.

clubman 12-26-19 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 21259262)
You are talking about my '59 Chevy Biscayne that served me for 150,002 miles and still running when I sold it for $300 in 1968. It had the inline six that couldn't die, and oh did I neglect it.

The stem shifters of the automotive world. Pickup trucks should have nothing else.
Nostalgia is a b---h!

mirfi 12-26-19 05:02 PM

1961 Biscayne OMG, three on the tree, smooth and quiet 6. Young people would get in and thought it was an electric car cause it was so quiet. They also questioned where the gear indicator is. It was the Police car in John Waters' movie Hair Spray.

Multiple children put an end to my fleet of vintage cars.

BigChief 12-26-19 07:06 PM

I learned to drive in my fathers Willys Overland. I think it was a 51. 3 on the tree. I remember that the windshield wipers ran off the intake vacuum. They would barely move at idle.

sykerocker 12-26-19 07:42 PM

I started out a bit earlier than you guys. 1937 Buick Special two door sedan. Three on the floor. They didn't go to the steering column until 1940.

Ballenxj 12-26-19 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by mirfi (Post 21259327)
1961 Biscayne OMG, three on the tree, smooth and quiet 6.

Had a 1963 Biscayne, 283, 3 on the floor. It was actually a pretty good running car.

thumpism 12-26-19 10:07 PM

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gster 12-27-19 04:49 AM

Back in the 80's I had a 64 Chevelle (2 speed Powerglide)
I played in a band and we could fit all of our gear and 4 guys in the car.
The drivers door was permanently shut as the wind had caught it
one day and ripped it off it's hinges.
Bench seat, no seat belts, no radio.
It was a putty colour.
No matter how dirty it was, it always looked the same.
It was stolen some years later but I still have the ownership and the keys.....

BigChief 12-27-19 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21259690)
Back in the 80's I had a 64 Chevelle (2 speed Powerglide)
I played in a band and we could fit all of our gear and 4 guys in the car.
The drivers door was permanently shut as the wind had caught it
one day and ripped it off it's hinges.
Bench seat, no seat belts, no radio.
It was a putty colour.
No matter how dirty it was, it always looked the same.
It was stolen some years later but I still have the ownership and the keys.....

Ah, you're a musician too? I knew I felt a kinsman-ship. I'm mostly retired now, but I spent many years traveling around in rickety vehicles playing bars. I still play, but arthritis keeps me from selling myself as a pro player. That's me on the left. This photo is almost 10 years old now.:eek:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ef5f59756.jpg

gster 12-27-19 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21259712)
Ah, you're a musician too? I knew I felt a kinsman-ship. I'm mostly retired now, but I spent many years traveling around in rickety vehicles playing bars. I still play, but arthritis keeps me from selling myself as a pro player. That's me on the left. This photo is almost 10 years old now.:eek:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ef5f59756.jpg

Nice!
I was the bass player
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1bd5c64a58.jpg
I've got a black band on my right wrist as I'd broken my hand the week before and
thought I'd "jazz up" the cast with electrical tape....
That's a 1978 Musicman Stingray bass.

bluesteak 12-27-19 01:24 PM

Elswick
 
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66e4e39199.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ed5b2dd37.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7358428d7.jpg
Just took the Elswick for a shakedown ride. Here are some photos.

gster 12-27-19 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21260113)

I'd like to get one of those triggers.

gster 12-27-19 03:03 PM

1954 Mystery Club Bike
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d54cb43f9f.jpg
I've posted about this hybrid before.
Appears English with a made in Canada sticker...
Found this catalogue page from Sunshine Bicycles 1953
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c75c5de65c.jpg
Chainring and stem look good.
That red/burgandy was a Sunshine colour.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7fa8419b06.jpg
Sunshine Bicycles came out of Waterloo, Ontario and were mostly known for balloon tire style bicycles.
Despite the made in Canada sticker I think this bike was assembled from mostly British parts.
I can't imagine the company investing in new tooling for a limited line of 3 speed bikes.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baf9eba951.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de93bbc0e2.jpg
Similar paint scheme....

BigChief 12-27-19 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21260113)

Very interesting bike. I don't know anything about the brand, but there looks to be a lot of original features intact. These older roadsters are getting harder to find all the time. I love the classy little touches like the painted rim centers with pinstripes.

FBOATSB 12-28-19 01:18 PM

What's missing?
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...046e9d4246.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1910eb7e9d.jpg
I decided to service the headset today and found a washer missing and the top nut unable to make up properly. Maybe it had a headlight bracket on there at one time. Anyway, I probably have a suitable washer that will fit if I dig through a bin. Threads and races cleaned up nicely and no need to push out the cups IMO, so some fresh bearings should make it good for another half century or so.

And as far as three in the trees go, the first one for me was a '47 Chevy that jumped out of gear every other time you drove it so you had to pull over and physically push the shift fingers under the hood back together before you could continue. I gave that thing away and even paid the tow truck:eek:

Edit: Would a Sports have had one of these on it on the seventies?
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83698a80a.jpeg


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