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banjo_mole 11-13-10 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by AL NZ (Post 11669850)
A 4-day holiday weekend here in NZ, spring is sprung, so I did a little spring maintenance on my 4 speed Raleigh, plus swapped a brown B66 for a black Flyer Special on my old BSA, and it looks much better. Goes better, too, with the narrow saddle.

Here are the pics. They could have gone in the 'What are you wrenching?' or 'White tyres' threads, but this is the thread that never dies ..

The Raleigh had decaying but nice Michelins on it, so I bought some Cheng Shins. I quite like the grey, but the quality is not special. They don't quite fit right, so both front and rear have a bit of a flat spot because I don't think the inner diameter is quite right for the stainless Dunlop rims. I deflated and fettled and re-inflated but I cannot eliminate the problem.

They will work. Barely. It takes some effort, but a tire bead seating tool, a good pump, a little Windex, and good, narrow rim strips all help.

I had to deal with that issue for a while with some Schwinn S-6 Chengies.

Sixty Fiver 11-13-10 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by TuckamoreDew (Post 11774261)
You have seen pictures of this bike (1965 CCM Continental) before but here are a couple of me enjoying it as its new owner. This is my first 3-speed and I like it a lot.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/...57b75051d0.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1336/...d6780016f4.jpg

Looking good there... :)

Threespeeder 11-16-10 06:17 PM

Sports fenders
 

Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 10437087)
Kurt - When it's a little nicer I will put the girls together for a side by side shot but this is as close as they will get for now.

The Lenton is an inch taller at the head tube than the Sports but is still riding on it's EA1 wheels which puts both bikes at nearly identical standover heights and the room in the bikepit is almost the same.

The geometry is very similar if not identical... both bikes have relatively short rear stays as they were built for a smaller wheel.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/reg2009a.JPG

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...ighsports5.JPG

I am pretty sure the straight gauge Sports weighs less than the Lenton which is a 531 frame... before I added the fenders and swapped out the bars and brakes it was 26 pounds on the scale from the loo.

The Lenton's did not come with the lovely heron chain wheel but rather have a swappable 1/8 track chain ring on a 3 bolt spider as these were used for everything to commuting to time trials and club racing. The Lenton could have also been purchased as a three speed for a few pounds more.

The Bluemel fenders fit wonderfully on the Sports and there is still good clearance between them and the 700:32 tyres which are some run of the mill Duro Proteks... they have a vintage look and I have had good success with these tyres.

The Lenton uses the same fenders and you can see how much extra clearance there is in the frame.

I am not sure how these new parts would fit into a modern Sports as the geometry on the '54 might be just a little different, I do know that you cannot use the stock steel fenders in a 700c conversion.

And of course, because I built a fair weather and rain bike... it is now snowing.

Nice Sports! Interesting post on the Bleumel fenders. I have a 73 Sports and need to replace the original fenders since the rear fender is bent so that the stays keep rubbing against the Schwalbe cream tyres. Also, from what you wrote, it sounds like I might also be able to replace the stock wheels with 700cc wheels? Thanks!

Sixty Fiver 11-16-10 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Threespeeder (Post 11797791)
Nice Sports! Interesting post on the Bleumel fenders. I have a 73 Sports and need to replace the original fenders since the rear fender is bent so that the stays keep rubbing against the Schwalbe cream tyres. Also, from what you wrote, it sounds like I might also be able to replace the stock wheels with 700cc wheels? Thanks!

The 700's are a pretty close fit but they are 32's and I still have room for fenders.

It does change the handling a little in that it feels quicker (than a Sports) but is by no means twitchy.

It looks like winter is upon us and these old folks will soon have to stay inside for a season... I will let the younger kids play in the snow.

Threespeeder 11-16-10 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 10440136)
*cough*

These are both fixed gear conversions... the Twenty was a 3 speed originally and will be a 3 speed again albeit with an SA SX3 fixed gear hub.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/confetti1a.jpg
1973 Raleigh Gran Sport

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...rest09new4.JPG
1973 Phillip's Twenty

My daughters ride English 3 speeds... they use these for all their about town riding and commuting since they are properly fendered and have chain guards.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...rlcommute3.jpg
1980 Raleigh Saffron

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...rlcommute4.jpg
1973 Raleigh Fireball custom.

And the fair and beautiful one has this as her "B" bike... her A bike is a modern version with an 8 speed IGH.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...4R2009new1.jpg
1974 Raleigh Twenty

Nice looking 20! I have been bidding on Raleigh 20s on Ebay to no avail! I keep looking for them (or a Superbe or better yet a loop frame Tourist!) at second hand shops and yard sales in the area. As I am sure you realize this has not been too productive! Here in The S.E corner of WA state it is a rarity and also a very exciting moment to view a genuine English 3 speed on the road. Most are sad looking cookie cutter Mtn bikes and road bikes around here.Anyway I will continue with my quest while thoroughly enjoying this forum!:thumb:

Threespeeder 11-17-10 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Veloria (Post 10799151)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1008/...b81f2742e9.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1170/...ee609fd9bd.jpg

My husband and I ride a pair of DL-1s; mine a 1973 and his a 1972. Best bikes ever.

Wow, real beaut's! I have a 73 Sports with the same Delta creams and they really dress the old guy up but your DL 1s take the cake! I am looking for a DL-1 here in WA state, E. side and it is like the search for the Holy Grail! Though I am a male type I think the loop frame is practical and beautiful. Last time I rode a DL-1 was in the 50s at my grandparents in Watford N of London. I think it was a loop frame thus as a ten year old I was able to ride on a full size bike. Hmm I wonder if that bike is still extant?!

criscoshoes 11-17-10 10:15 AM

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My 1962 Raleigh Gran Sport that I recently converted to 3 speed. Hi-ten frame, running a Sturmey Archer SRF3 and modern components.

Originally, a racing bike: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...ran-sport.html. Rides nicely as a around-the-town bicycle!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179267http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179268

Roll-Monroe-Co 11-17-10 12:12 PM

In the womb, preparing for rebirth...
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/...864fa66a_b.jpg

nlerner 11-17-10 01:16 PM

That rubber mallet is key to proper development, too, I'll bet!

Neal

Roll-Monroe-Co 11-17-10 02:18 PM

Whack 'em, I say.

wrk101 11-17-10 03:06 PM

Just finished with the ladies Triumph I picked up a couple of days ago. I think the bike is a 1976 +/-.


I really liked how it turned out. I have to get it on C/L quick before the wife gets home. If she sees it, its going into the keeper fleet.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/...ecffd48c_b.jpg

Roll-Monroe-Co 11-17-10 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by wrk101 (Post 11802586)
Just finished with the ladies Triumph I picked up a couple of days ago. I think the bike is a 1976 +/-.


I really liked how it turned out. I have to get it on C/L quick before the wife gets home. If she sees it, its going into the keeper fleet.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/...ecffd48c_b.jpg

Wow. That's identical in almost every way to my Phillips, Tweaky:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/...1b0d53e1_b.jpg

Edit: Okay, in several ways.

gna 11-17-10 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by wrk101 (Post 11802586)
Just finished with the ladies Triumph I picked up a couple of days ago. I think the bike is a 1976 +/-.


I really liked how it turned out. I have to get it on C/L quick before the wife gets home. If she sees it, its going into the keeper fleet.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/...ecffd48c_b.jpg

Very nice.

x136 11-17-10 04:17 PM

Oh, looky what came in the mail to-day.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/IMG_7119.jpg

It'll be 38 years old next month, but it just escaped from the box.

nick22 11-21-10 07:44 PM

Hercules (Birmingham made)
 
Any suggestions for fenders to finish this project would be appreciated. The Hercules-made hub is an interesting feature of this bike.

http://s726.photobucket.com/albums/w...Ddriveside.jpg

thanks, nick

Velognome 11-21-10 09:15 PM

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Cool old Herc. How does the work? I'm in the midst of redoing this old Hercules, the hub is simular to yours but an A Type O, the model is a Birmingham made Renoun. I've been unable to find much infor on these hubs other than they seem to pre-date the Hercamatics and the B Types which I believe were made by Sturmey Archer.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179467

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179469

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179468

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179470

Sixty Fiver 11-21-10 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by x136 (Post 11803003)
Oh, looky what came in the mail to-day.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/IMG_7119.jpg

It'll be 38 years old next month, but it just escaped from the box.

Nice find... what are you going to use it for ?

I have been enjoying my new 3 speed mtb a great deal... more than a few people have come into the shop with freewheel / freehub issues due to the cold and the AG has been purring along in what has been -20 C weather and it does not realize that it is winter.

nick22 11-21-10 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 11823303)
Cool old Herc. How does the work? I'm in the midst of redoing this old Hercules, the hub is simular to yours but an A Type O, the model is a Birmingham made Renoun. I've been unable to find much infor on these hubs other than they seem to pre-date the Hercamatics and the B Types which I believe were made by Sturmey Archer.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179467

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179469

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179468

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179470

It shifts just fine; the steering is a little jittery for some reason; what are thinking about for fenders? nick

Velognome 11-21-10 10:22 PM

It most likely had a paint to match set like a raleigh. I'd look for a used set.

gbalke 11-21-10 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 11823303)
I'm in the midst of redoing this old Hercules, the hub is simular to yours but an A Type O. I've been unable to find much infor on these hubs other than they seem to pre-date the Hercamatics and the B Types which I believe were made by Sturmey Archer.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179467

Am I right in assuming that the Hercules hubs were not date stamped?

Road Master 11-22-10 01:27 AM

Hi! I grew up in small coal towns in the Pennsylvania mountains(USA) and there wasn't a whole lot of anything available. But on or about 1961 a family moved in on the other side of our duplex and during the move leaned an old girls bike against the fence. Well, there it stayed and everyday I would walk down the alley and stop to gaze at this marvelous machine decaying in front of me. Now I could read so I knew it was English built which was just great with me because I was already in love with British Sports Cars and I was constantly reading about the Austin Healeys, MGs, Triumps as well as the Tour de France.

It never occured to me that someday this steel beauty would be mine plus it was a girls bike afterall. She needed brake shoes, gear changer/cable and new tires/tubes. Well, since I wasn't too discrete about my gawking the lady had seen me oogleing her bike everyday and came out to talk to me. She asked if I liked the bike - it's English, what's not to like so I said yea. Then she told me I could have it. My brain was swimming as I could not believe what just took place. I picked her up and carried her home to the back porch.

There was no money in our family and I had already been informed that if I ever wanted a bike I would have to procure one myself. As a child I was pretty thrifty - on allowance day my brothers would run to the local candy store and immediately gobble their allowance into obscurity. Me, I was into "stuff". We didn't have much so I would save my allowance @ 50 cents per week until I had enough to get what I wanted. I took side jobs weeding gardens, picking raspberries or green beans, shoveling snow, mowing lawns, anything to accumulate extra cash for more "stuff". The high point of every year was at Halloween. During the spring and summer I grew Indian Corn and Pumpkins while everybody else was growing tomatoes. Tomatoes? Seriously? Anyway, about a month before Halloween I would go door to door getting pre-orders for bundles of Indian Corn and Pumpkins which I delivered a couple weeks before Halloween. All totaled I would net about $12.00 which was alot to me.

So one piece at a time I started buying needed parts for what turned out to be a 1950s Hercules - black of course. Tires and tubes were first - I could then ride it albiet a little tough to get going in 3rd gear and even tougher to stop with me straddleing the top bar dragging my shoes in the gravel of the alleys. Next came brake shoes - you just can't appreciate what you can do with brakes until you ride without them. Finally, I needed a gear changer with cable. In my town of 7,000 people there was no such part available. So I jumped on a bus that crossed the Susquehanna River into what was called a "City" where the store of stores was located - Montgomery Wards. I ordered me a Sturmey Archer gear changer and cable and waited the three weeks before I had to once again cross the River to pick it up.

You can imagine the sensation of spending months saving money to buy parts and then ripping through the gears that first time - what a rush! I was in Bicycle Heaven! Thank God for the English! I zoomed everywhere that first day until dark set in. As luck would have it the brother of a good friend of mine donated all the parts from another 1950s Hercules boys bike that he had torn apart in an attempt to motorize it. In the boxfulls of parts that arrived was a generator and light set. Before long I was riding a 1950s boys Hercules(black of course) equipped to ride at night as well as day.

When I came home from College all the bikes and parts that I had acquired had made their way to the dump. It wasn't till about a year ago that I reunited with another Hercules 3 speed - again, black of course. It was listed in Craigs List for $50 and was just a 15 minute drive away. The hub is marked for 1975 production and even though it doesn't have the air pump braze ons that my 1950s models did, it is in very nice original condition. I've been building and wrenching on balloon tire bikes for awhile now so I just took some pics and moved her into storage. I was so elated to go through all these 46 pages of English 3 speeds that I feel inspired to go clean her up. I hope I didn't bore anyone too much - sometimes old people are long winded. Enjoy the pics and thanks. Robert

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/t...neous/144A.jpg

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/t...neous/144D.jpg

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/t...neous/144E.jpg

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/t...neous/144G.jpg

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Sixty Fiver 11-22-10 02:12 AM

Road Master... that was beautifully written.

The Hercules is a beautiful bike.

wahoonc 11-22-10 04:03 AM

Road Master,

Well said :thumb: Good things come to those that wait! I always wanted a Raleigh Superbe, it took 40 years but I finally go one, thanks to the generosity of a fellow forum member.

Aaron :)

http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/43...600x600Q85.jpg

Road Master 11-23-10 05:21 AM

Hi Guys! Thank you for the kind words. I'm getting ready for another Indiana winter. We don't get a ton of snow here but the weather is definitely not conducive to working on bikes. I put new gaskets and stops on the garage door plus added an additional ceiling light so I'm all set for another season of cleaning parts for my balloon bikes and detailing my Hercules.

I notice in the pics that my white cable covers have yellowed some - does anyone have any cleaning tricks to share on how to restore them to white/white? I prefer to keep them original as they are not cracked or damaged. Any help with this is greatly appreciated.

It's really nice to have a place that like interested bicyclists can share stories and ideas. When I had my Herc as a kid I was obviously the only one in town that had one so I was pretty much an outsider. It's nice to be able to share with others that are as excited about English 3 Speeds as I am. Thanks alot. Robert

gbalke 11-23-10 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Road Master (Post 11829096)
I notice in the pics that my white cable covers have yellowed some - does anyone have any cleaning tricks to share on how to restore them to white/white? I prefer to keep them original as they are not cracked or damaged. Any help with this is greatly appreciated.

Robert

One trick I discovered was using Goop hand cleaner worked quite well. You can apply it with your fingers or an old tooth brush, removing the excess with an old cloth.


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