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nlerner 11-07-16 08:19 AM

The Sports page in that 1970 catalog is a great example as to why Raleigh catalogs are of only limited help in pinning down the date of a bike. Note that the men's and lady's models have completed different chainguard and downtube decal schemes!

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_Raleigh_Cat_70_3_LG.jpg

3speedslow 11-07-16 08:37 AM

True, Raleigh being definite with a possible maybe !

BigChief 11-07-16 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 19174479)
$35 for DL-1?:eek: Unless it was totally trashed that was a good deal. I paid about 5 times that for mine. What year is yours? Got Pics/

Aaron:)

Oh yeah, it was trashed by neglect but somehow as badly rusted as it was, the chrome was in ok condition.
Fenders and Brooks saddle were not salvageable.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ch/69dl001.jpg
as it is today.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ily%20ride.jpg

3speedslow 11-07-16 10:51 AM

Wow, great job on bringing that roadster back! The chaingaurd especially. Too bad about the fenders.

BigChief 11-07-16 12:08 PM

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On the frame, I had to de-rust some areas, so I tried to blend in the touch ups by dulling and distressing. It worked out pretty well. You don't notice the repairs unless you look closely. So overall, the bike has a somewhat scruffy patina. I need a chainguard because I mostly ride in blue jeans. It was pitted so badly that I had to totally strip the rust and use filler and new paint, so it does stand out. I had an extra vinyl Raleigh transfer, so I put it on for kicks. I even moved it back a bit from usual to center it in the triangle just out of fixers prerogative.
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3speedslow 11-07-16 12:56 PM

Nicely done! Looks like it found a good home.

BigChief 11-07-16 04:28 PM

I'm looking forward to hearing how dweenk does with his S5 Sprite. I wish there were more of them around. Glad he is keeping his original. It's a very rare model. I have never seen, even a picture, of a stepthrough S5 Sprite before. I only know they exist because they are mentioned in the catalog.

dweenk 11-07-16 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19176015)
I'm looking forward to hearing how dweenk does with his S5 Sprite. I wish there were more of them around. Glad he is keeping his original. It's a very rare model. I have never seen, even a picture, of a stepthrough S5 Sprite before. I only know they exist because they are mentioned in the catalog.

It may be a while if I can't get to Richmond before Christmas. I'll take some pix when I get it. BTW, I sent you a PM.

wahoonc 11-07-16 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19174654)
I found a men's DL1 abandoned next to a building in my old 'hood, partially disassembled and missing parts, but had no space for it so walked away.

Sorry, guys.

oooh... black strike on your English Bike Record! :p

I swear I have a home for wayward bikes on some days, fortunately I have 40 acres and 3 barns.:twitchy:

Aaron:)

thumpism 11-07-16 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 19176177)
oooh... black strike on your English Bike Record!

To be fair, when time, distance and circumstances permit I always try to think who might be able to use a windfall bike and get it to that person. I've dragged home a FREE-signed yard sale leftover girls' 3-speed for neighborhood kids, given away a mint Raleigh Portage that was given to me (my size, and I'm still kicking myself), and driven a bare DL1 frame across state lines to reach someone who'd use it. I purely hate to let one sit there and not try to do something about it but sometimes you just can't save them all. My conscience is clear.

This one I found at the curb in Wake Forest NC on trash day and grabbed it for myself for the (rapidly approaching) time when I might need a stepthrough. I boxed it up and stashed it in the attic for more than a decade and only unboxed after we moved to this house with its garage.
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PalmettoUpstate 11-07-16 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19167448)
I found a Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix today. It has an SA FM 4 speed. Do these 4 speeds take the same oil as SA 3 speeds?

The hub is dated 1958, but the graphics on this bike don't match other 58s that I've found. Were these graphics available in 58?

Here are some pics:

I went to NJ about this time last year to pick up a '58 Lenton GP that I'd bought earlier in the year. Great trip; the gent I got it from lived - literally - right down the street [King's Hwy] from where Washington and his men came ashore after the Delaware crossing in the famous painting!

Anyway, I'll post pics soon. The bike I got seems to be somewhat more "original" than the one you just got.

Still, it needs some corrections to put it back to original.

BTW, I'd surmise that the OP is pretty much an expert in things Lenton; you might want to PM him.

gster 11-08-16 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19175131)
Oh yeah, it was trashed by neglect but somehow as badly rusted as it was, the chrome was in ok condition.
Fenders and Brooks saddle were not salvageable.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ch/69dl001.jpg
as it is today.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ily%20ride.jpg

That's quite an improvement!

wahoonc 11-08-16 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19175131)
Oh yeah, it was trashed by neglect but somehow as badly rusted as it was, the chrome was in ok condition.
Fenders and Brooks saddle were not salvageable.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ch/69dl001.jpg
as it is today.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ily%20ride.jpg

Nothing a little elbow grease (and dollar a can spray paint) can't fix. :thumb:

Nice job on it. Mine is a 1981 and is excellent shape. I am going to go retro with it and put on a chain case, rack with flip down wheel stand and an older shifter.

Aaron:)

browngw 11-08-16 06:14 PM

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Good day in the parts drawers at the LBS. I found a new 21 tooth cog and a used 20 tooth cog. One of them will replace the 18T on my '71 Robin Hood. Any ideas on how many links i need to add to the chain going from 18T to 21T? I find the current 18T way too high for the type of riding I do with this bike.

BigChief 11-08-16 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 19178654)
Nothing a little elbow grease (and dollar a can spray paint) can't fix. :thumb:

Nice job on it. Mine is a 1981 and is excellent shape. I am going to go retro with it and put on a chain case, rack with flip down wheel stand and an older shifter.

Aaron:)

Roadsters wear those old fashioned accessories well. I have a 1950s 3 or 4 speed window trigger and a steel 2 piece clamp pulley on this one. Any bike I do much riding on will have MKS touring pedals even if they aren't roadster like. Someday, I'd like a Brooks B66 for mine, but to be honest, this Serfas RX saddle is just as comfy for upright riding.

BigChief 11-08-16 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19178878)
Good day in the parts drawers at the LBS. I found a new 21 tooth cog and a used 20 tooth cog. One of them will replace the 18T on my '71 Robin Hood. Any ideas on how many links i need to add to the chain going from 18T to 21T? I find the current 18T way too high for the type of riding I do with this bike.

That's such a pretty bike. I never get tired of seeing it. My Sports bikes all have 48T chainwheels and 22T cogs, so I can't say how many links you'll end up with. I always fit a brand new chain with this mod. They're not expensive and I like how smooth and quiet they run.

SirMike1983 11-08-16 07:59 PM

The first iteration of the S5 is a good hub. The shifting is a little odd, but it's not hard to get used to it. I have a tall frame Sprite that I like, though I will admit I prefer the FW with a single 4-speed shifter to the S5 slightly. I have an FG hub I need to go over this winter.

Slash5 11-08-16 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19178878)
Any ideas on how many links i need to add to the chain going from 18T to 21T

3 teeth different so 1 1/2 short links smaller. Since you have to add 2 links at a time, you'll have to see if you have enough play in the dropouts to work with the present length or to add the 2 links.

BigChief 11-08-16 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19179097)
The first iteration of the S5 is a good hub. The shifting is a little odd, but it's not hard to get used to it. I have a tall frame Sprite that I like, though I will admit I prefer the FW with a single 4-speed shifter to the S5 slightly. I have an FG hub I need to go over this winter.

I'd love to find a 23" S5 Sprite. Even with the stem on my 21" maxed, my weight is a bit more forward than I like. Still, I put a lot of mileage on it. 99% of it in medium ratio mode. Very rarely I'll shift the bell crank into wide mode. In hilly places it can be handy to have that granny with the big jump to normal, but overdrive in wide mode is way too tall to be useful to me.

jorglueke 11-09-16 12:15 PM

I picked this Humber Sports up yesterday. The bike belonged to the seller's mother and she had moved to a warmer climate and left this behind. It does have the rather infamous TCW rear coaster hub. Everything looks original it's just missing the light.

http://i.imgur.com/J0LhcJ7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hgdP971.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CO9MzYg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u2NLggJ.jpg

Salubrious 11-09-16 02:11 PM

^^ the most curious thing about the Humber is of course the Duplex fork.

It was designed in the 1880s for the Humber Beeston tricycle- during that 20 year period between the PennyFarthing and the safety bike when tricycles ruled the world of human powered transportation. The tricycles started to die out (although there are descendants to this day in the UK) about 1900 but Humber continued to use the Duplex fork for their bicycles. Raleigh retained the design after taking over Humber in 1932.

3speedslow 11-09-16 03:56 PM

From the looks of the saddle, she got some good use out of the bike.

Jorglueka, what are your plans for this steed? Just noticed the size, 23" good.

jorglueke 11-09-16 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19181056)
From the looks of the saddle, she got some good use out of the bike.

Jorglueka, what are your plans for this steed? Just noticed the size, 23" good.


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19181056)
From the looks of the saddle, she got some good use out of the bike.

Jorglueka, what are your plans for this steed? Just noticed the size, 23" good.

It looks pretty good. I will clean it up, do the standard maintenance, new tubes and eventually find another home for it I think.

dweenk 11-09-16 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19180794)
^^ the most curious thing about the Humber is of course the Duplex fork..

I like the creepy humanoids that form the chainring

clubman 11-09-16 05:29 PM

Surprised to not see a fork lock...the twin fork models usually had them.


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