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arty dave 11-26-18 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20678542)
The main problem the bottom routing is that an SA hubs finicky gear adjustment will be altered with any axle movement in the dropouts, for instance if you slide the wheel back in the drops to take up chain slack. A top mounted pulley/cable intersects with the axle perpendicular to the the drops so the gears remain more or less unaffected by wheel adjustments. As BC suggests, it tends to stay more precise.

Good point clubman, I hadn't considered that - I think I'll set up the cabling differently when I move the hub to a new bike - otherwise I'll be fiddling with the cable stop and cable adjustment as you say - each time I move the wheel in the dropouts.

DQRider 11-26-18 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20678784)
Looking great! Are these the original bars? Flipped north roads or something else? Did you do some ageing to the metal parts of the grips?


Thanks, Dave! That's a Soma Oxford (Northroads style) handlebar, flipped.

As for the grips, well... I paid for the privilege of having them look old and worn:

Part Num 605184
Brooks Plump Leather Ring Grips - Aged

I'll take a Dremel with a polishing disc to them before I mount them for real. This yields a nice, burnished look that fits right in with the age of the bike.


gster 11-26-18 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20677666)
Found a super crappy Sport for $20 bucks. I wasnít going to buy it but the old lady was nice. And I figured I could just save the parts in case I ever needed them. Rear hub was a shimano coaster laced to RigidaChromage Superchromix 26x1 3/8 rim front is original Sturmey Archer hub and rim. It had a stuck seapost and stuck stem. The stem came out pretty easy but I noticed it was bent. Seatpost was super stuck but I was able to get it out. It is missing fenders, chainguard, and has mismatched brakes. Everything else looked pretty good. Bottom bracket and the headset came apart easily.



Im not sure what im going to do with the frame isnít bent or anything really wrong with it.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5414fa8a14.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2b51756731.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...621096ed17.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...569bb0eaa7.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0de5e1d0dc.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e5ac80b4d9.jpg

That stamped eye on the heron dates it to pre 1962 and worth the $20.00 alone.

gster 11-26-18 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20676916)
Haven't had a ride in weeks, no projects going, this is awful. Got to thinking about converting this 70s Sports to a 5 speed with the S5.2 hub I have. Somebody before me laced a CR18 rim onto the 36H AW hub. Done incorrectly, the spokes cross over the air valve. Bugs me. I need to take it apart anyway. Might as well install the S5. Might not be permanent, but a S5 on an alloy rim is always a good thing to have around.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...362ea1331c.jpg

I DO have an original set of top tube shifters for a 5 speed that you might like....
|I replaced them with the throttle style

clubman 11-26-18 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20677666)

Im not sure what im going to do with the frame isnít bent or anything really wrong with it.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5414fa8a14.jpg

I think that's early 50's and you may have the original deep bars found on the Clubmans and Lenton Sports. Pretty desirable bars.

clubman 11-26-18 05:10 PM

Also, I'd love to have that one in my shed...:thumb:

Alas, I've got three early Sports already in the queue so I can't make you an offer. :(

I think the front wheel should have a Raleigh Industries hub, Sturmey Archers came later.

BigChief 11-26-18 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20677666)
Found a super crappy Sport for $20 bucks. I wasnít going to buy it but the old lady was nice. And I figured I could just save the parts in case I ever needed them. Rear hub was a shimano coaster laced to RigidaChromage Superchromix 26x1 3/8 rim front is original Sturmey Archer hub and rim. It had a stuck seapost and stuck stem. The stem came out pretty easy but I noticed it was bent. Seatpost was super stuck but I was able to get it out. It is missing fenders, chainguard, and has mismatched brakes. Everything else looked pretty good. Bottom bracket and the headset came apart easily.



Im not sure what im going to do with the frame isnít bent or anything really wrong with it.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5414fa8a14.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2b51756731.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...621096ed17.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...569bb0eaa7.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0de5e1d0dc.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e5ac80b4d9.jpg

Great deal for 20 bucks! Looks like the 32 spoke Raleigh pattern rim is decent shape. Nice 48T crank in very good condition, the frame is late 60s, wonder where those drop bars came from. I wouldn't have passed up that deal either.

gster 11-26-18 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20678794)
Nice progress! That extra bit of chrome bling below the fork crown adds a really nice touch to the look of the bike.

Thx!

BigChief 11-26-18 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20679184)
Thx!

+1. I really like this one.

clubman 11-26-18 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20679124)
Great deal for 20 bucks! Looks like the 32 spoke Raleigh pattern rim is decent shape. Nice 48T crank in very good condition, the frame is late 60s, wonder where those drop bars came from. I wouldn't have passed up that deal either.

I'm curious as to why you think that's late 60's with that funky font, Lenton green colour and what appears to be birdsmouth lugs? It also appears to have the front mudguard braze-ons are higher up the fork. I've always used the Headbadge to ID these bikes. Better close up pics would help. Looks like this 53 model to me.
Edit The serial number does look like 60's format.

BigChief 11-26-18 08:54 PM

It's the close up of the crank where I can see some details. The brazed on tabs for the 3 point chainguard and no lug on the chainstay for an enclosed chaincase. Raleigh used that 50s style font on the downtube again for a couple of years. 67 and 68 I think. No guide wheel lug on the TT and the BB spindle has no center hole.

jamesj 11-26-18 09:48 PM

Thanx all for the help! I figured it was a 60ís model but wasnít sure. Ill take more detailed photos.

@gster I figured in parts in would be more than 20 bucks that's why I bought it!

@clubman the bars are very deep, from the top they look almost like track bars. You are right the front wheel is a Raleigh Industries hub laced to Raleigh Rim.

@BigChief the cranks are in very great shape, the cotters came out very easily with no problem.

jamesj 11-26-18 10:54 PM

More pics. Don't pay any attention to the seat post bolt, thats from my 74 Superbe.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2c22279df0.jpg

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jamesj 11-26-18 10:59 PM

More. The bars have no markings on them, but the brake levers did have safety levers on them. Im not sure if they were original, Im thinking not since the bike had pieces added here and there.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e291dc93c.jpg

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nlerner 11-27-18 05:39 AM

That frame has lovely patina.

clubman 11-27-18 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20679292)
It's the close up of the crank where I can see some details. The brazed on tabs for the 3 point chainguard and no lug on the chainstay for an enclosed chaincase. Raleigh used that 50s style font on the downtube again for a couple of years. 67 and 68 I think. No guide wheel lug on the TT and the BB spindle has no center hole.

Yup the chainguard braze-ons and lack of lug tell it all. Rose coloured glasses were activated when I saw the bars. You rarely see that font after 60 or so but Raleigh did unusual things.

BigChief 11-27-18 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20679699)
Yup the chainguard braze-ons and lack of lug tell it all. Rose coloured glasses were activated when I saw the bars. You rarely see that font after 60 or so but Raleigh did unusual things.

When I first saw it I went...whoa!...but I'm so used to scanning craigslist pictures for pre TI Raleighs that I spot small details. The fact that the give away metallic strips on the seat tube were totally missing didn't help.

gster 11-27-18 08:05 AM

It's difficult to tell what's gone on with a bike like this over the years and how many hands its' passed through.
The chain ring is clearly pre 1962.
The steering tube seems to have slight deflection. It might just be the photo.
Those chain guard tabs must be a clue to the date.
My 61 Superbe does not have those.

gster 11-27-18 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20678794)
Nice progress! That extra bit of chrome bling below the fork crown adds a really nice touch to the look of the bike.

Thanks, its' a work in progress with some more details to attend to come spring. I do have a nice set of drop bars that would look good but wouldn't suit my
riding style. The rear wheel/ hub (1961), although rust free and smooth shifting has a terrible warp that has been slightly corrected (by reefing on it).
I've never laced a wheel so that may be part of my continuing education....

jamesj 11-27-18 08:20 AM

So we all agree that it is a later frame with older crankset. Do you all think the bars are older too? Is there anyway to tell?

The only bad thing is the stem is slightly bent.

gster 11-27-18 08:40 AM

I'm currently in mexico on vacation.
These vintage style bikes are still available for $135.00 (US)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6423378c5d.jpg

clubman 11-27-18 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20679751)
So we all agree that it is a later frame with older crankset. Do you all think the bars are older too? Is there anyway to tell?

The only bad thing is the stem is slightly bent.

I've owned a few of those steel bars and there were no markings but look at the 48 to 51 catalogs to compare, they are uniquely long and deep, perhaps to put the rider in a low and forward position given the short stems. The stem is ubiquitous and could be easily replaced. What stamp is on the top, Sir Walter and his cloak? The original pics show the stem sitting very high in the steerer so it likely deformed from long term usage. The steel is soft.

jamesj 11-27-18 10:16 AM

Yep it is Sir Walter and cloak on top of the stem. I figured someone did bend it from being too high.

These bars are long and deep, the top when gripping them reminds me of track drops. You think when building it back up I should use those same bars? Iím thinking since it has the chaincase missing Iím just going to turn it into a drop bar bike.



Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20679887)
I've owned a few of those steel bars and there were no markings but look at the 48 to 51 catalogs to compare, they are uniquely long and deep, perhaps to put the rider in a low and forward position given the short stems. The stem is ubiquitous and could be easily replaced. What stamp is on the top, Sir Walter and his cloak? The original pics show the stem sitting very high in the steerer so it likely deformed from long term usage. The steel is soft.


clubman 11-27-18 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20679978)
You think when building it back up I should use those same bars?

Dealers choice. I know you've got it stripped but it all depends how it feels to you. Many people find that Sports models aren't real comfy with drop bars, you'll have to make the call.

BigChief 11-27-18 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20679751)
So we all agree that it is a later frame with older crankset. Do you all think the bars are older too? Is there anyway to tell?

The only bad thing is the stem is slightly bent.

The crankset is contemporary with the 1965-1968 frame. Raleigh changed to the 46T chainring with eyeless herons a bit later. Not sure exactly when I'll guess around 1970.


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