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clubman 04-09-19 03:29 PM

Nice workroom. Arts & crafts table beside a 50's chrome dinette. Does the rotary phone work?

gster 04-09-19 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20877132)
Wow, this is coming along beautifully. Good chainring choice. These are very similar to the ones I see in 1930s Hercules catalog pictures. Very nice you found one without the Sir Raleigh stamp on the crank to give it away. You never mentioned if there was any sign on an attached head badge. Lloyds makes an exact transfer of that period Herc head badge. Many English bikes from the 30s seem to have transfers instead of an attached badge. In either case, it would look great on this bike. They also have the seat tube transfer.
https://h-lloyd-cycles.myshopify.com...-head-transfer

The chainring came about for two reasons:
1-It was in the garage
2-It fit

gster 04-09-19 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20877303)
Nice workroom. Arts & crafts table beside a 50's chrome dinette. Does the rotary phone work?

That's the kitchen.
I usually work outside but it was too windy today and
I didn't want to risk losing any of the little brake
pieces....
Yes, the phone works.
We had a major blackout here several years ago
and that phone continued to work for another half hour...

arty dave 04-09-19 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20876929)
I'm hooking up the brake linkages today..
I had no idea how complicated it is.
Everything is placed on the frame but not tightened up yet.
I have a good set of pads for this one.
Also, I'm going to try compressing the front fender back into shape.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0e860b778.jpg

That sucks with the wrongly advertised 40 hole rim, upside is you have a really nice spare 40 hole rim. It's great to see the bike upright & almost rideable, looks like a really nice sized frame!
...looks kinda in-between the DL-1 sizes...maybe 23"?

gster 04-09-19 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20877390)
That sucks with the wrongly advertised 40 hole rim, upside is you have a really nice spare 40 hole rim. It's great to see the bike upright & almost rideable, looks like a really nice sized frame!
...looks kinda in-between the DL-1 sizes...maybe 23"?

I haven't actually measured but assume it's a 23".

nlerner 04-09-19 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20876294)
I used 700c wheels so brake reach wasn't an issue. But from its forged chrome dropouts I guess your Pug is a more expensive frame with tighter clearances? We'll see if I want to spruce mine up with details like your quick release cable stops. What crankset is that? Also does that frame use the skinny seatpost?

TA 3-pin crankset with a 45t ring. And seatpost is original, chromed steel. Not sure of the diameter but iirc those metric Reynolds 531 seat tubes take a 26.6mm.

BigChief 04-09-19 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20875611)
Picked up this Moto Grand Record frameset this weekend and am thinking of a possible IGH conversion (and maybe 650B?). The paint is original.

https://live.staticflickr.com/7920/4...66caa548_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7899/3...566ba31c_c.jpg

There you go tempting me with that light weight roadster project I never got around to. Which reminds me of a question I have. Does anybody make mudguards that look like the old time Bluemels? All the modern ones I see look... well...too modern.

clubman 04-09-19 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20877616)
There you go tempting me with that light weight roadster project I never got around to. Which reminds me of a question I have. Does anybody make mudguards that look like the old time Bluemels? All the modern ones I see look... well...too modern.

SKS makes one decent almost retro set in varying sizes but only one colour, black. Paint it?

nlerner 04-09-19 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20877616)
There you go tempting me with that light weight roadster project I never got around to. Which reminds me of a question I have. Does anybody make mudguards that look like the old time Bluemels? All the modern ones I see look... well...too modern.

A friend has posted some instructions on how to modify the SKS Longboards to look more like Bluemels Populars. They only come in cream and black, however, unlike the wide variety of colors of the original Bluemels.

thumpism 04-10-19 02:47 AM

Reality sets in, as evidenced by a significant price drop.

1974? Raleigh 3 speed ladies bicycle - $100 (The fan)


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20868958)
Pix aren't great and the price is too high, but it looks like a nice little CB 3-speed bike.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...855003412.html

1974? Raleigh 3 speed ladies bicycle - $200 (The fan)


https://images.craigslist.org/00r0r_...Zc_600x450.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/00404_...lo_600x450.jpg

bicycle frame material: steel
bicycle type: road
frame size: Medium
wheel size: other/unknown Vintage Raleigh 3 speed bicycle
Sturmey Archer 3 speed rear hub
Shifts through gears and brakes look good. Needs new inner tubes to be rideable and a good cleaning.
Brooks saddle
Overall great shape for its age, just needs someone to love it
$200
Call or text 804-221-six nine four three


BigChief 04-10-19 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20877709)
A friend has posted some instructions on how to modify the SKS Longboards to look more like Bluemels Populars. They only come in cream and black, however, unlike the wide variety of colors of the original Bluemels.

Thanks for the tip. Actually, it seems like a fun project. Someday, I'll be back here asking for measurements and a photo of the Popular transfer.

gster 04-10-19 06:12 AM

Pair of Raleigh Folders
For sale here in Toronto
Best offer
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details...m_medium=email
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...273b4f736a.jpg

gster 04-10-19 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20877132)
Wow, this is coming along beautifully. Good chainring choice. These are very similar to the ones I see in 1930s Hercules catalog pictures. Very nice you found one without the Sir Raleigh stamp on the crank to give it away. You never mentioned if there was any sign on an attached head badge. Lloyds makes an exact transfer of that period Herc head badge. Many English bikes from the 30s seem to have transfers instead of an attached badge. In either case, it would look great on this bike. They also have the seat tube transfer.
https://h-lloyd-cycles.myshopify.com...-head-transfer

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b0bde37eb.jpg
This set is also available, although not correct for the period
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b3037776b2.jpg

gster 04-10-19 06:53 AM

GB Stem
This was part of the order that arrived
the other day.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0045e172a.jpg
Not sure where it will end up but there're a couple of Semi Scorchers that
could use an upgrade.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ed190e7b70.jpg

clubman 04-10-19 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20877967)
This set is also available, although not correct for the period

Bondbrized? No space between finest and quality. Leave that one off if you go that route.

paulb_in_bkln 04-10-19 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20875957)
I appreciate the support! I also did that conversion on a Peugeot back in the fall:
That one has 590mm/EA3 wheels. I fitted the Moto with a 650B/584mm x 38mm wheelset, and there's oodles of clearance. It would take 42mm tires no problem. What is a problem, however, is the rear brake reach needed is about 83mm. I'll likely try it with a Weinmann 750 brake and a pair of those offset pads for a bit more reach.

The temporary tire I've put on the back of the Pug mixte is marked 700c x 38 but it measures 35 mm. That's about as big as I need but there's clearance for a few more millimeters of tire, if I wanted that. The Mafac Racers have plenty of reach for the 4 mm difference between the new 700c and the original 27 wheels, but I don't think they would manage a 650. I've read that if I withdraw the shim in the seat tube then I could use a 1-inch seatpost, and as long ones are available in alloy in that size it's something I'm thinking about. I would welcome a fine lugged mixte frame but those are so hard to find. BTW, riding home last night I passed a bike that resembles your white Pug a lot. It had the black lugs on the head tube and the forged dropouts with derailleur hanger but in back they weren't chromed. My mind turned only briefly to bike theft.

gster 04-10-19 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20878007)
Bondbrized? No space between finest and quality. Leave that one off if you go that route.

I wondered about that as well...
Bonderized?

gster 04-10-19 07:11 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...23b8568d75.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fef0d93464.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 04-10-19 07:22 AM

A smidgen of black Sharpie could make that BONDERIZED.

gster 04-10-19 07:53 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a49303f6b1.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...605921cf86.jpg

3speedslow 04-10-19 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20877960)

Wow, nice original condition! Still with their pumps too. Gotta find me a pump for mine.

they look early 70ís to me.

MaxKatt 04-10-19 11:09 AM

I always saw this thread, but never looked. Apparently, with my latest n+1 I've joined your club.

Wanted a beater/station bike with a basket for my girlfriend for her birthday. I have one that's a re-purposed mountain bike that went unclaimed after our co-op's purge of shared storage space a few years ago.

She had seen something she liked at a friend's house, but just missed the opportunity. Thinking nobody would want it, friend told the people in the process of buying the house they could have it. !?!?

Went on Craig's list to find something similar and found what I believe is a 1958 Raleigh Lady Armstrong. It's definitely a '58, as we can see that on the hub. Head badge and some reflectors missing. Seat not original. Still...it's cooler than something I would have gotten at Modells and less likely to be stolen on grocery runs.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8a2678098e.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aacd5159dc.png

gster 04-10-19 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by MaxKatt (Post 20878459)
I always saw this thread, but never looked. Apparently, with my latest n+1 I've joined your club.

Wanted a beater/station bike with a basket for my girlfriend for her birthday. I have one that's a re-purposed mountain bike that went unclaimed after our co-op's purge of shared storage space a few years ago.

She had seen something she liked at a friend's house, but just missed the opportunity. Thinking nobody would want it, friend told the people in the process of buying the house they could have it. !?!?

Went on Craig's list to find something similar and found what I believe is a 1958 Raleigh Lady Armstrong. It's definitely a '58, as we can see that on the hub. Head badge and some reflectors missing. Seat not original. Still...it's cooler than something I would have gotten at Modells and less likely to be stolen on grocery runs.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8a2678098e.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aacd5159dc.png

Nice bike!
I'd still get a good lock.
They steal anything these days.

clubman 04-10-19 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by MaxKatt (Post 20878459)
I always saw this thread, but never looked. Apparently, with my latest n+1 I've joined your club.



Went on Craig's list to find something similar and found what I believe is a 1958 Raleigh Lady Armstrong. It's definitely a '58, as we can see that on the hub. Head badge and some reflectors missing. Seat not original. Still...it's cooler than something I would have gotten at Modells and less likely to be stolen on grocery runs.

Cool bike. Two tips, a '58 may have an SW 3 speed hub which is prone to failure but easily replaced with an AW if it does. The SW hub may work just fine. Regardless of model, put a few drops of lightweight oil in the filler. Also oil the rear brake housing at the back. Water seeps in there into the loop and rusts the cable solid.

dweenk 04-10-19 12:39 PM

^^^^ Love that chain ring.
I have a 1969 23" men's Armstrong, but it has a plain chain ring.


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