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adventurepdx 02-07-17 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by RobHalligan (Post 19361350)
Is Superbe pronounced "superb" or "super-bee"? (I think I've heard both.)


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19361441)
We talked about this before :)

And we'll talk about this again! ;)

Seriously, there's a lot of stuff on this thread, but it's hard to dig through to find it all, unless you had the hours and hours and hours to sift through all the posts. Maybe a "Best of..." of this thread is in order?

Mike from Iowa 02-07-17 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by sirpecangum (Post 19360128)
All that weak beer and milky tea and unbridled carbohydrates at lunch time (or dinner as they'd probably have called it) and not a single fatso. What went wrong?

I remember an earlier discussion of this movie where an older Brit mentioned that when this was filmed in early/mid 50's Britain was still on war-time level food rationing. I think they were eating all they could get their hands on!

BigChief 02-09-17 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by sirpecangum (Post 19366551)
When I first came to England in 1978, I remember people eating breakfast fried in lard, plates and pans cleaned with "doorstop" wedges of bread. Cream cakes, biscuits and a constant stream of sweat tea, Mountains of mashed potatoes. Suet and Yorkshire puddings - more bread products roasted or boiled in lard. Pork pies and Cornish pasties... And rare it was to see a fat person.

Back then, people, especially children, were far more active than they are today. I'm getting old now. Sometimes I feel like I fell asleep and woke up on a different planet. I lived on my bike. Rode to school on my bike, delivered newspapers on my bike, hung out with my friends and rode our bikes everywhere. Life is different today.

DQRider 02-09-17 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19366632)
Back then, people, especially children, were far more active than they are today. I'm getting old now. Sometimes I feel like I fell asleep and woke up on a different planet. I lived on my bike. Rode to school on my bike, delivered newspapers on my bike, hung out with my friends and rode our bikes everywhere. Life is different today.

I know exactly what you mean, BC. Our generation grew up in an analog world, where information was found at the local library, just a bike ride away. Now everyone (but me, it seems) carries a "smart phone", and the world is at their fingertips. And of course, there is a price to be paid for that.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psflyholh4.png

In this digital world, we don't even have to get up off the couch to change the channel on the TV, go shopping, obtain food, pay our bills... modern conveniences brought to you by your technocrat overlords. This keeps us docile and easier to control.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...pswiscpna2.png

I think that is why we find comfort in these old, English 3-speeds. They are remnants of a world we want desperately to hold onto, even as it slips through our fingers.

kmt 02-09-17 11:34 PM

I thank everyone for their advice on lowering the gears on my Raleigh Sports, It was completed this weekend and was not difficult. It rides like a dream. I put a 22 T sprocket in and climbs hills much better.
http://www.bikeforums.net/picture.ph...ctureid=528439

thumpism 02-10-17 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by kmt (Post 19368863)
I thank everyone for their advice on lowering the gears on my Raleigh Sports, It was completed this weekend and was not difficult. It rides like a dream. I put a 22 T sprocket in and climbs hills much better.
http://www.bikeforums.net/picture.ph...ctureid=528439

You can go even larger back there. Shimano Nexus IG hubs (at least the early ones) used the same three-lobe pattern on the mounting hole and interchange with the SA. I have a 24T on my Sports and there may be others available.

BigChief 02-10-17 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by kmt (Post 19368863)
I thank everyone for their advice on lowering the gears on my Raleigh Sports, It was completed this weekend and was not difficult. It rides like a dream. I put a 22 T sprocket in and climbs hills much better.
http://www.bikeforums.net/picture.ph...ctureid=528439

We are very fortunate that so many choices of 3 splined dished cogs are available for Sturmey Archer hubs. With a choice of 16T to 24T, overall gearing can be adapted to suit anyone's needs and helps make these old 3 speeds very practical everyday riders.

Salubrious 02-10-17 01:11 PM

International Bike to Work Day....

nearly 40 degrees here in Minnesota. A friend's dog was licking the salt off my tires this morning.

clubman 02-10-17 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19369074)
We are very fortunate that so many choices of 3 splined dished cogs are available for Sturmey Archer hubs. With a choice of 16T to 24T, overall gearing can be adapted to suit anyone's needs and helps make these old 3 speeds very practical everyday riders.

My clever mechanic friend clamped an SA cog to a 22 hyperglide cog. He traced it out and then demel-tooled the excess metal and cleaned it up in about 20 minutes. I have one, it works fine with narrow or wide chains and sounds easy to do. I'll try it next time I need a big one.

BigChief 02-10-17 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19369993)
My clever mechanic friend clamped an SA cog to a 22 hyperglide cog. He traced it out and then demel-tooled the excess metal and cleaned it up in about 20 minutes. I have one, it works fine with narrow or wide chains and sounds easy to do. I'll try it next time I need a big one.

Why bother with that when you can get a 22T for six bucks?
Sturmey Archer 1/8" 22t Coaster Brake Cog | eBay

clubman 02-10-17 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19370009)
Why bother with that when you can get a 22T for six bucks?
Sturmey Archer 1/8" 22t Coaster Brake Cog | eBay

That auction would cost me $26 cdn including shipping. We live in different worlds my friend. I can get adequate hyperglide cogs for really nothing so it's worth it.

BigChief 02-10-17 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19370028)
That auction would cost me $26 cdn including shipping. We live in different worlds my friend. I can get adequate hyperglide cogs for really nothing so it's worth it.

That's terrible! I had no idea.

dweenk 02-10-17 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19370175)
That's terrible! I had no idea.

I offered to give Dan Burkhart a S/A hub recently for the cost of shipping. The best price I could get was in excess of $36 USD. At the same time I can buy 2 tires from Ribble via Royal Mail for $6.38 USD shipping. What is the deal shipping stuff over our border with Canada?

clubman 02-10-17 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19370193)
I offered to give Dan Burkhart a S/A hub recently for the cost of shipping. The best price I could get was in excess of $36 USD. At the same time I can buy 2 tires from Ribble via Royal Mail for $6.38 USD shipping. What is the deal shipping stuff over our border with Canada?

I used to get goods from the US cheap, while shipping to the US was always expensive. USPS must have taken a page from our book because now they are both prohibitive. Shipping from Britain is cheaper at current rates.

Sidebar: Face it, everyone is out of control and playing the game for themselves. Man, I heard the Temptations Ball of Confusion on the radio two days ago and it was groove. Top ten on my current list.

thumpism 02-10-17 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19370251)
Man, I heard the Temptations Ball of Confusion on the radio two days ago and it was groove.

First time you'd heard it? Jeez, that was high school (actually two years after).

52telecaster 02-10-17 08:13 PM

I,played ball of confusion,about a hundred times in a Motown band.

SirMike1983 02-10-17 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19362999)
And we'll talk about this again! ;)

Seriously, there's a lot of stuff on this thread, but it's hard to dig through to find it all, unless you had the hours and hours and hours to sift through all the posts. Maybe a "Best of..." of this thread is in order?

Given the longevity, number of posts, and number of views in this thread, English 3-speeds and similar utility bikes could be their own sub-forum within C&V. It would have its own set of stickies, which would indeed be the "best of".

clubman 02-11-17 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19370586)
First time you'd heard it? Jeez, that was high school (actually two years after).

Yeah, 59 years old, don't get out much.
It's just so "au courrant'

thumpism 02-11-17 08:02 AM

Sorry they're not English, but they're 24" wheel 3-speeds, two of 'em! Looks like 24 x 1 3/8 wheeled bikes, one looks like Shimano and the other probably is, too. Know a kid who needs to grow up right?

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/5997797444.html

Bikes - $60 (Chesterfield)

https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_...8_1200x900.jpg

make / manufacturer: Plymouth
model name / number: Cruiser

2 nice cruisers bikes mid 70s in great shape 60$ each or both for 100$ firm

BigChief 02-11-17 09:44 AM

Finally got back to my Rudge project. I gave the frame 3 more coats of black enamel and it's ready for polishing. Never found a correct Rudge fork, so I bought a standard style Raleigh with the shallow chrome cap. It's getting all new headset, bottom bracket parts and that downtube graphic I made up a couple years ago.
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...dge%202-17.jpg

SirMike1983 02-11-17 08:44 PM

Raleigh Sprite Five Speed with the S5 hub - out and about. Another unusually mild day for February here.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2ECAnejvz...211_160944.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wNs1htZf0...211_161106.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6GvTYHxPt...211_161046.jpg

gster 02-12-17 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19372491)
Raleigh Sprite Five Speed with the S5 hub - out and about. Another unusually mild day for February here.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2ECAnejvz...211_160944.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wNs1htZf0...211_161106.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6GvTYHxPt...211_161046.jpg

Sweet Daddy Siki!

Slash5 02-12-17 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19369993)
My clever mechanic friend clamped an SA cog to a 22 hyperglide cog. He traced it out and then demel-tooled the excess metal and cleaned it up in about 20 minutes. I have one, it works fine with narrow or wide chains and sounds easy to do. I'll try it next time I need a big one.

Your LBS can order either SA or Nexus for around $10 or less. My local Co-op carries them plus the local used bike place has them.

I tried using ordinary cassette cogs on a single speed and folded it over and broke it. The larger cogs on a cassette are laterally supported by the other cogs.
Granted, you won't be riding a 3 speed as hard as a single speed.

clubman 02-12-17 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Slash5 (Post 19373315)
Y
I tried using ordinary cassette cogs on a single speed and folded it over and broke it.

Interesting, mine is on a two speed hub. Maybe chain-line and extra spacers are critical to making it viable.

BigChief 02-12-17 05:33 PM

I have many, many miles on Sturmey Archer drivers with 1/8" cogs and have never seen a failure like this. All of the 22T cogs I've used so far have been those SA chrome plated coaster cogs.

Niner9 02-13-17 07:18 AM

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Just picked up this 1950 Rudge. My Father in law was cleaning out his junk pile and the sprocket caught my eye. Didn't really know anything about Rudges till I googled it. Seems like I have found quite the bike. Was stored inside and is in descent shape considering. Just not sure to what extent to restore it. Strip it or just clean the rust off? Opinions welcome. Have done a couple bare steel projects that I liked but this is different.

Dsprok 02-13-17 07:21 AM

It's a gem.
Preserve it.

BigChief 02-13-17 08:32 AM

That is an exceptionally good find. 50s Rudges in 23" frames are super rare these days. Seems to be missing the fenders and the original shifter pulley. Not sure about the stem and handlebars. Hard to see from the picture. Considering this and the remnants of the blue overpaint, a total restoration wouldn't be out of the picture in my opinion, but it would be quite expensive. Just a clean up and servicing would be fine too. I would keep an eye on eBay for an original, frame mounted pulley though. Congrats on a super find!

clubman 02-13-17 08:42 AM

Those mudguards could be original. My 52 Humber had the same colour scheme. I agree, those bars look a little larger than normal. Clean it up, touch it up, tune it up and ride it.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Yg...p=w640-h360-no

Niner9 02-13-17 09:06 AM

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I think it's all there. Missing a headlight and the battery tube.Fenders have been painted white. I think original colour is the blue as I have stripped it down and under the chrome pieces it's blue.


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