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threespeedmafia 08-14-20 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21640337)
Interesting routing for the shifter cable.
Double pulleys!

Ah, the double pulleys. We had used this configuration on our Hercules Popular step thru at a friend's suggestion sand it worked really well to maintain just the right tension with the barrel shifter so my son went the same route with the quadrant shifter on this Humber. And it seems to work well enough. I was going to install a trigger shifter but he really wanted to use a quadrant and what dad is going to tell his son, who is working on an old bike with his dad, that he can't use a quadrant shifter and then tell him he can't route the cable around two pulleys?

As an aside, I have noticed similar cable routing on old photos of loop frames and step-thrus.

cudak888 08-14-20 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by threespeedmafia (Post 21640463)
...and the whole bike was covered in rust.

Out of curiosity, how'd you handle that part? Looks like quite a bit of the surface rust came off. Oxalic acid bath?

-Kurt

threespeedmafia 08-14-20 08:21 AM

Here are a couple of shots of my son's 73-74 Sports turned Superbe. It started life as a Sports with a 3 speed coaster brake hub. He added a twist grip shifter to replace the trigger just because. I picked up a later model Superbe step-thru and he transferred wheels, brakes, chain guard, lights, and presstube rack. The only thing he tried to change but couldn't was the locking fork. We did not realize the steering tubes were different lengths from diamond frame to step-thru. I built him a shelf and it now hangs in his bedroom, easily accessible to head out for a ride.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0541d216be.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2a08bb9b0d.jpg
.

threespeedmafia 08-14-20 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21640493)
Out of curiosity, how'd you handle that part? Looks like quite a bit of the surface rust came off. Oxalic acid bath?

-Kurt

Kurt, hello, big fan of yours.

I have not tried an oxalic acid bath as of yet. And I know I will probably catch some flack, but I used a brand new S.O.S. steel wool soap pad and a water hose and lightly scoured the entire surface making sure i had plenty of soap and water. I never really rubbed too hard and I worked around the decals. I then went over it with some Turtle Wax rubbing compound but there wasn't a lot it could do. Interestingly, there was a small bit of British Racing Green that could be detected down close to the bottom bracket. Once I assembled it all, I tried a little paste wax to see what it would do. Pretty much nothing. So I took some Bick LP leather preserver and hand wiped the frame and chain case making sure to get a good coating. I left it in my attic for a few days to a week and it basically baked on there. Is it perfect, no. Does it look better than it did? Without a doubt.

Normally, I never use steel wool because of the metal fibers that come loose and are left to rust but this time I did.

gster 08-16-20 08:45 AM

Somewhat OT
I'm working on a Canadian made bike for my neighbour
that's been sitting unused for a very long time.
The spindle is badly distorted and the drive side crank shows sign of
repair....
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77a3cbb313.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...570816a771.jpg
I've never seen a spindle warped like this.
Metal fatigue?
Accident?
Both ends seem to be bent equal and opposite.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ba023ec6e.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72b301a2b4.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c732f13cc.jpg
Bike was purchased new from Western Tire in 1964 or so.

Narhay 08-16-20 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21640410)
It's hard to tell from photos the true condition.
I've got this hercules for sale
The rims are great
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details...dId=1507673970
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b7e3769c07.jpg
It's currently out on a movie shoot but should be back on the w/e
I'm in Parkdale

Do you rent your bikes out to movie shoots? I had a director friend and he said it is a good way to make money but never lend out anything you care about because it will likely get damaged in some way.

gster 08-16-20 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 21643831)
Do you rent your bikes out to movie shoots? I had a director friend and he said it is a good way to make money but never lend out anything you care about because it will likely get damaged in some way.

Your friend is correct.
I sold a 1950's Flying Pigeon to the same production.
This bike has been working just fine for 65 years.
The propsmaster called me yesterday to say to say
the rear wheel wouldn't turn.
I asked if an actor had touched the bike and
he said yes....
Actors have a strange and unique ability to break
anything they touch.
You could hand an actor a rock as a prop and it will
come back broken....

Commando 08-16-20 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 21640391)
I drove to Aurora to see the $35 sports. Rims were quite bad, flaking chrome, rust everywhere. If I had a spare set of wheels i would have considered it but it just wasnt worth my time even at $35.

Aurora, my home town! Last time I visited from Australia, went for a ride with my uncle and baby brother (who was 6 when I moved to Toronto, and 16 I left Canada). I led them through so many 'hidden' paths and trails they didn't know about, I amazed even myself with my memory. Years and years of living on my bicycle in that town left me with a permanent mental map of the quickest and/or most fun way of getting around.

ascherer 08-17-20 08:14 PM

"One man gathers what another man spills" It was time to pass the baton. Last winter I built a version of a Sports on a Raleigh international frame - 8-speed Sturmey hub, Velo Orange Tourist handlebars, 35c Paselas with fenders, my trusty B66 and racks with a Wald basket up front. It's light, fast and fits me much better. My 10-year affair with my 1966 Sports has come to an end, and it has fittingly been picked up by a young man starting his adulting here in NYC. It was clearly love at first sight, and I was delighted to bid farewell knowing it was going to someone that will appreciate it as I have. And I want to acknowledge the many forum members here that contributed to my understanding and love for these great machines.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3111595349.jpg
James and his new 1966 Sports

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ecea3c5f23.jpg
My International Sports

gster 08-18-20 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 21646727)
"One man gathers what another man spills" It was time to pass the baton. Last winter I built a version of a Sports on a Raleigh international frame - 8-speed Sturmey hub, Velo Orange Tourist handlebars, 35c Paselas with fenders, my trusty B66 and racks with a Wald basket up front. It's light, fast and fits me much better. My 10-year affair with my 1966 Sports has come to an end, and it has fittingly been picked up by a young man starting his adulting here in NYC. It was clearly love at first sight, and I was delighted to bid farewell knowing it was going to someone that will appreciate it as I have. And I want to acknowledge the many forum members here that contributed to my understanding and love for these great machines.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3111595349.jpg
James and his new 1966 Sports

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ecea3c5f23.jpg
My International Sports

Good to see some younger riders who appreciate a well made bike.
The sad truth is, if taken care of, they'll outlast all of us......

ascherer 08-18-20 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21648077)
Good to see some younger riders who appreciate a well made bike.
The sad truth is, if taken care of, they'll outlast all of us......

Oh yes, he was lit up by it. I told him they were built to last 100 years, so it's got another 50 left in it. This one showed all the signs of making it.

Ged117 08-19-20 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 21648530)
Oh yes, he was lit up by it. I told him they were built to last 100 years, so it's got another 50 left in it. This one showed all the signs of making it.

I just turned 30. My three-speed turns 71 in January. I'm hoping to hand it off to my kid in the future as you have. They're still really good city bicycles. I see quite a few three-speeds in various guises and levels of decrepitude rolling around Ottawa in regular use. With a little bit of maintenance every now and again they're sturdy and dependable. Give the AW / AG a rebuild every 20 years and you're set.

nlerner 08-19-20 09:19 AM

Just picked this one up from a local CL ad. Not a 3-speed, but with 590/EA3 wheels. Those plus the prestube minor rear rack makes me wonder if Raleigh just took Sports frames and slapped a different rear wheel and Huret shifting bits on them:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b18553519.jpeg

jackbombay 08-19-20 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 21646727)
"one man gathers what another man spills" it was time to pass the baton. Last winter i built a version of a sports on a raleigh international frame - 8-speed sturmey hub, velo orange tourist handlebars, 35c paselas with fenders, my trusty b66 and racks with a wald basket up front. It's light, fast and fits me much better. My 10-year affair with my 1966 sports has come to an end, and it has fittingly been picked up by a young man starting his adulting here in nyc. It was clearly love at first sight, and i was delighted to bid farewell knowing it was going to someone that will appreciate it as i have. And i want to acknowledge the many forum members here that contributed to my understanding and love for these great machines.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3111595349.jpg
james and his new 1966 sports


❤️❤️❤️

ascherer 08-19-20 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21649198)
I just turned 30. My three-speed turns 71 in January. I'm hoping to hand it off to my kid in the future as you have. They're still really good city bicycles. I see quite a few three-speeds in various guises and levels of decrepitude rolling around Ottawa in regular use. With a little bit of maintenance every now and again they're sturdy and dependable. Give the AW / AG a rebuild every 20 years and you're set.

Good plan! To be clear, this smart fellow is not my son. My own son Jacob never rode a bike as a kid but when I bought the Sports the seller also had a BSA version I bought hoping to tempt him into riding. It worked until he started college in Manhattan, and we sold that one. He's since graduated and lives in Brooklyn. I gave it to him this Spring and he rode it for a few months. He likes the whole 3-speed vibe but lives three narrow, twisty flights of stairs up in an old house, so it wasn't long before he asked for something lighter. Now he's tooling around on a lovely 1972 Super Course that I found for him and he's just as smitten with it.

ascherer 08-19-20 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21649258)
Just picked this one up from a local CL ad. Not a 3-speed, but with 590/EA3 wheels. Those plus the prestube minor rear rack makes me wonder if Raleigh just took Sports frames and slapped a different rear wheel and Huret shifting bits on them:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b18553519.jpeg

A Sprite with 26"? Why the 'ell not?

gster 08-20-20 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 21649809)
A Sprite with 26"? Why the 'ell not?

That chain guard looks a bit out of place as well.
I've mostly seen them on Raleigh's Glider bikes.

clubman 08-20-20 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21650970)
That chain guard looks a bit out of place as well.
I've mostly seen them on Raleigh's Glider bikes.

I've seen that same 5 speed setup before, with the same chainguard, Huret long shifter with Alvit RD. I had a ~'71 Glider version with dropbars.

Ged117 08-20-20 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21650970)
That chain guard looks a bit out of place as well.
I've mostly seen them on Raleigh's Glider bikes.

I usually see lots of these for sale on Kijiji, usually with the derailleur. I check these listings to see if the bike has the Sturmey S5 5-speed hub gear. I missed one here not long ago. I want one of those hubs for...research.

jackbombay 08-20-20 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21651268)
I usually see lots of these for sale on Kijiji, usually with the derailleur. I check these listings to see if the bike has the Sturmey S5 5-speed hub gear. I missed one here not long ago. I want one of those hubs for...research.

My Townie is 5 speed Sprite with an S5, I love it! I gave it a full on patina/resto-mod build.

I wish the S5 hubs were more plentiful, they come up on Ebay here and there but they aren't cheap...

nlerner 08-20-20 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21650970)
That chain guard looks a bit out of place as well.
I've mostly seen them on Raleigh's Glider bikes.

Looks like Raleigh did that model for a couple of years in the late 1960s. Here’s the 1969 catalog page:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f95438bd.jpeg

bluesteak 08-20-20 07:14 PM

Sprite
 
I have a similar bike. Same color same chain guard, same chain ring, but mine is a sprite 27. I used the wheels for my bluestreak project, and replaced them with a 700c Shimano nexus 3 speed setup. It is my go to everyday bike.

bluesteak 08-20-20 07:17 PM

???
 
I used to be able to post photos. What am I doing wrong???

thumpism 08-22-20 06:41 PM

Nice Superbe.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...04853376900215

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...4f&oe=5F6740DA

W.L.SOON 08-24-20 04:54 AM

What year is this Raleigh Sports
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Black-Raleigh-Bike-Brooks-Seat-Dyno-3-Sturmey-Archer/283988255461?hash=item421f04e2e5:g:D90AAOSwJsVfQrDi

Hi guys. Just wondering what year is this Raleigh. The second last photo does show some numbers,but I am not sure what I am reading. Can someone make it out? This is a Sports,right?

Thank you and all the best to you all.

W.L.SOON,Malaysia

gster 08-24-20 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21657705)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Black-Raleigh-Bike-Brooks-Seat-Dyno-3-Sturmey-Archer/283988255461?hash=item421f04e2e5:g:D90AAOSwJsVfQrDi

Hi guys. Just wondering what year is this Raleigh. The second last photo does show some numbers,but I am not sure what I am reading. Can someone make it out? This is a Sports,right?

Thank you and all the best to you all.

W.L.SOON,Malaysia

I would date it mid 1950's.

nlerner 08-24-20 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21657705)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Black-Raleigh-Bike-Brooks-Seat-Dyno-3-Sturmey-Archer/283988255461?hash=item421f04e2e5:g:D90AAOSwJsVfQrDi

Hi guys. Just wondering what year is this Raleigh. The second last photo does show some numbers,but I am not sure what I am reading. Can someone make it out? This is a Sports,right?

Thank you and all the best to you all.

W.L.SOON,Malaysia

Rear hub looks to have a 1948 date code.

W.L.SOON 08-24-20 06:25 AM

Thank you guys! 😁👌

gster 08-24-20 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21657768)
Rear hub looks to have a 1948 date code.

Good eye.

W.L.SOON 08-25-20 06:47 AM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-1...oAAOSw4CFfRO0I

Very old-school Sturmey Archer 3-speed shifter?


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