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1989Pre 05-14-22 02:37 PM

This question has probably been answered before, but when did gumwall 26" tires first appear on 3-speeds?

gster 05-14-22 08:09 PM

I have, what I consider to be, a very original/stock 1972 Superbe in the garage with gumwalls.
I'll look tomorrow to see if they're Raleigh branded.
I use this bike as a template.
When cutting new cables I use this bike to size them and look at the
routing etc.
I haven't taken the BB apart as I want to keep the "R" cotter nuts intact....

clubman 05-14-22 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22506569)
This question has probably been answered before, but when did gumwall 26" tires first appear on 3-speeds?

Dunlop stopped making bike tires in the late 60's which opened the markets to Pacific rim tires with gumwalls. These weren't the first two-tones. Swallow made cream walls, Michelin had brown walls and others, I think maybe Barum too.

Even Dunlop made them but I don't know far back. On ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/275304011954

1989Pre 05-15-22 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22506898)
Dunlop stopped making bike tires in the late 60's which opened the markets to Pacific rim tires with gumwalls. These weren't the first two-tones. Swallow made cream walls, Michelin had brown walls and others, I think maybe Barum too.

Even Dunlop made them but I don't know far back. On ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/275304011954

That's what I was thinking: The gumwalls appearing around '67-'68. I bought the Rudge a couple years ago, and when I went to change the tube last week, the bead on the tire somewhat crumbled, and at that point, the inflated tire is bulging a bit upward "out-of-round". Not enough to make it unrideable, but it is probably "about that time" for a new pair. So, in '62, I guess it's safe-to-say that the only tires then were fully black. I have no problem fitting gumwalls, though. I like the Dunlops, so thanks for the link. I will write to the seller to make sure the rubber around the wire bead on the lesser tire is still intact.

198

swampyankee2 05-15-22 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22507102)
That's what I was thinking: The gumwalls appearing around '67-'68. I bought the Rudge a couple years ago, and when I went to change the tube last week, the bead on the tire somewhat crumbled, and at that point, the inflated tire is bulging a bit upward "out-of-round". Not enough to make it unrideable, but it is probably "about that time" for a new pair. So, in '62, I guess it's safe-to-say that the only tires then were fully black. I have no problem fitting gumwalls, though. I like the Dunlops, so thanks for the link. I will write to the seller to make sure the rubber around the wire bead on the lesser tire is still intact.

198

my 72 Sports had double-white line tires which I'm sure were original. I replaced them with gumwalls, correct or not.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0fc1229a35.jpg

clubman 05-15-22 08:11 AM

Those double pinstripes were also Dunlop Sprites and likely original to the early 70's, even late 60's.

gster 05-15-22 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22507102)
That's what I was thinking: The gumwalls appearing around '67-'68. I bought the Rudge a couple years ago, and when I went to change the tube last week, the bead on the tire somewhat crumbled, and at that point, the inflated tire is bulging a bit upward "out-of-round". Not enough to make it unrideable, but it is probably "about that time" for a new pair. So, in '62, I guess it's safe-to-say that the only tires then were fully black. I have no problem fitting gumwalls, though. I like the Dunlops, so thanks for the link. I will write to the seller to make sure the rubber around the wire bead on the lesser tire is still intact.

198

The gum wall tires on my Superbe are Kendas, so not original to the bike.

cudak888 05-15-22 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22505353)
I recently bought a Panaracer Col de Vie. I should have tried to mount it right away- last night was the first time- the tire is deformed and useless.

Deformed, or was the bead not seating correctly? Just curious, seeing as the CdV is a fairly thin, high-thread-count tire. In some ways, it's not the best thing to combine with a straight-side steel rim, even though it's generally doable.

-Kurt

ThermionicScott 05-15-22 06:59 PM

My wife and I have been wanting to go to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour for years, but it never works out. Please let us know how it went!

JohnDThompson 05-16-22 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 22507826)
My wife and I have been wanting to go to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour for years, but it never works out. Please let us know how it went!

I've done Lake Pepin several times; it's a good time. The last time I went was before COVID. I hope to get back there some day.

gna 05-16-22 08:47 AM

Pepin
 
Weather was very nice for Pepin. Maybe a bit warm on Saturday, but even had a tailwind pushing me into Nelson.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...133326ea5b.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1380923ab4.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...02cd12367a.jpg
Mmmmm

Salubrious 05-16-22 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22507541)
Deformed, or was the bead not seating correctly? Just curious, seeing as the CdV is a fairly thin, high-thread-count tire. In some ways, it's not the best thing to combine with a straight-side steel rim, even though it's generally doable.

-Kurt

I struggleed with the idea of the bead not seated correctly but on several wheels the same part of the tire did the same thing. Definitely deformed.


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 22507826)
My wife and I have been wanting to go to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour for years, but it never works out. Please let us know how it went!

The weather was great. The trilliums were out in force near the top of the Bay City Hill. There was a sizable contingent trading notes at the church at the top of the hill.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e1a18afae.jpg


The Pelican Cafe in Maiden Rock failed to run out of quiche and strawberry custard pie. I spotted a Bob Jackson.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25b6ad1f68.jpg

Stockholm has a couple of nice stops but a bit too late for elevenses. The Arnold Palmer certainly hit the spot.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fd19b00115.jpg

Salubrious 05-16-22 12:33 PM

There are stories of the Loch Pepin monster 'Peppie'. Apparently the Wisconsin DNR pulled a 5 foot long bull shark out of the Loch a few years back so there may be some truth to Peppie.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b64bde5f2d.jpg

bikamper 05-16-22 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22508701)


The weather was great. The trilliums were out in force near the top of the Bay City Hill. There was a sizable contingent trading notes at the church at the top of the hill.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e1a18afae.jpg


I had to miss it this year, but are you sure it was trading notes and not trading flasks at the top of Bay City Hill. ;)

1989Pre 05-16-22 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22507167)
Those double pinstripes were also Dunlop Sprites and likely original to the early 70's, even late 60's.

These were on the bike when I bought it used:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0e187e223f.jpg

gna 05-16-22 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by bikamper (Post 22509008)
I had to miss it this year, but are you sure it was trading notes and not trading flasks at the top of Bay City Hill. ;)

I might have been sharing some Basil Hayden's.

eatontkd 05-17-22 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22506567)
How do you like the T1's? I am considering them.

Too early to give much of a report. They mounted as I expected. Seem to be a bit smaller profile but I like the ride. This bike is usually a just around my neighborhood type of ride, so I couldn't give you much in the way of distance/weather review.

OTS 05-17-22 02:39 AM

Vintage Raleigh Superbe 3-speed Bikes - $750 (Danville, Illinois)

https://chambana.craigslist.org/bik/...484351744.html

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9b94e7efdc.jpg
Look to be hardly ridden, ad says they were purchased in the mid 70's

swampyankee2 05-17-22 07:24 AM

Not sure if this has already been posted since it's been on FB Marketplace for a while. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...5279308509616/
https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...Mw&oe=62891EE7
Not English, but it is a 3 speed. I'm tempted to buy it. It would slot in between my Raleigh Sports and my Dutch Fongers single speed.

gster 05-17-22 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by swampyankee2 (Post 22509562)
Not sure if this has already been posted since it's been on FB Marketplace for a while. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...5279308509616/
https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...Mw&oe=62891EE7
Not English, but it is a 3 speed. I'm tempted to buy it. It would slot in between my Raleigh Sports and my Dutch Fongers single speed.

The front forks look pushed in

clubman 05-17-22 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by swampyankee2 (Post 22509562)
https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...Mw&oe=62891EE7
Not English, but it is a 3 speed. I'm tempted to buy it. It would slot in between my Raleigh Sports and my Dutch Fongers single speed.

Looks like pure Birmingham to me. I see that it's Dutch in online examples but I really wonder if it's maybe a rebrand out of Smethwick. The fork crown, the chainguard, Terry saddle and the Midland rack all look the part.

52telecaster 05-17-22 11:51 AM

Lake Pepin Fotos we're cool. Ty!

Salubrious 05-17-22 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by bikamper (Post 22509008)
I had to miss it this year, but are you sure it was trading notes and not trading flasks at the top of Bay City Hill. ;)

That might have happened. This gentleman regarded his travel box as a bit of a failure, owing to room enough only for one bottle.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdda79dce4.jpg

swampyankee2 05-17-22 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 22509864)
Looks like pure Birmingham to me. I see that it's Dutch in online examples but I really wonder if it's maybe a rebrand out of Smethwick. The fork crown, the chainguard Terry saddle and the Midland rack all look the part.

Maybe but I saw alot of the typical English-style Dutch 3 speeds in Holland. The Fietsmuseum Velorama in Nijmegen had alot of similar Dutch-built bikes on display as well.

swampyankee2 05-17-22 12:14 PM

You 3 Speeders know how to ride with style!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdda79dce4.jpg

swampyankee2 05-17-22 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 22509863)
The front forks look pushed in

They do. Not the first time I've had to deal with that....

Salubrious 05-17-22 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by swampyankee2 (Post 22509897)
You 3 Speeders know how to ride with style!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdda79dce4.jpg

A proper three speed should have plenty of style :)

clubman 05-17-22 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by swampyankee2 (Post 22509889)
Maybe but I saw alot of the typical English-style Dutch 3 speeds in Holland. The Fietsmuseum Velorama in Nijmegen had alot of similar Dutch-built bikes on display as well.

I getcha. My ex was from Amsterdam so I've owned Fongers, Batavus and Gazelle roadsters. Gazelle had a production-sharing arrangement with Raleigh so it just makes me wonder about that one.

gna 05-17-22 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 22509868)
Lake Pepin Fotos we're cool. Ty!

A few more
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...614b89afa4.jpg
Tabor Church. Was going to fill my water bottle with delicious, cool well water, but someone was watering.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ed1541874f.jpg
One of the Winnipeg crew brought cold beer to share at the top of Bay City Hill.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d53c7d308e.jpg
Lake Pepin Marker
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05bca2f745.jpg
At Smiling Pelican
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2d60ea3e5.jpg
Lake Pepin
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...125ccb7ea4.jpg
At Scenic overlook

jamesj 05-17-22 03:00 PM

I defiantly need one of these for my 3 speed. Anyone have contact info? :thumb:


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22509880)
That might have happened. This gentleman regarded his travel box as a bit of a failure, owing to room enough only for one bottle.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdda79dce4.jpg



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