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queerpunk 02-10-14 02:06 PM

Elia Viviani is riding a track version of a Cannondale CAAD10 - nice.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...99173637_n.jpg

carleton 02-10-14 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 16484052)
Elia Viviani is riding a track version of a Cannondale CAAD10 - nice.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...99173637_n.jpg

Nice.


More:


Originally Posted by ColinT (Post 16484630)


More: https://www.facebook.com/CannondaleP.../photos_stream


Is it a new offering or a one-off for a team member? I remember Specialized did one for Cavendish after he won the road World Championship and raced some 6-days afterwards. It even had some custom track cranks. That bike never went to market.

carleton 02-10-14 07:02 PM

http://forallmyfriends.com/wp-conten...type-track.jpg

Impreza_aL 02-10-14 07:11 PM

hollowgram sl srm w/ sram tt ring on the track...

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e.../AceDoWant.gif

shrinkboy 02-12-14 09:00 AM

holy crap the stem on that thing!

Brian Ratliff 02-12-14 09:06 AM

^^^Is a very compact bar. With a standard shaped bar, the stem would be a more normal length.

carleton 02-12-14 01:33 PM

Track racer Giovanni Rey made two very good apps for the track racing crowd. These are actually track racing specific apps. They are both $0.99 and worth much more. They haven't been updated in a while, but they still work just fine.


GearCalc


Simple fast and to the point... Calculate your gear, roll out, and speed or time over a fixed distance given cadence.
http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple...en480x480.jpeghttp://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple...en480x480.jpeg

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gear...412947619?mt=8



VeloTimeMachine

This is *really* good for coaches.


The First fully functional, high precision stop watch for the iPhone. Loaded with Track cycling specific features. Including automatic lap-by-lap analysis of speed and cadence, automatic instantaneous emaling of results, and much much more....

Writing by a Cat1/UCI-pro velodrome racer for velodrome racers, coaches, officials, and fans.

Features:

- High Precision stop watch with "no-look" full screen start/lap button.

- Calculates Speed and Cadence for every lap instantly

- Instantly posts results to the internet using automatic seamless integration with iPhone eMail and AddressBook

- Log file management for easily tracking results on the iPhone.

- Unique timing features for counting and estimating missed lap splits or click errors. Also the ability to arbitrarily time sub-laps without disturbing the lap count or lap splits.

- Searchable pre-made or custom event templates for common track events including 1km, 4km, Scratch race and other events on several different track. Including the ability to adjust calculations for odd length tracks and.or race distances.

- Optional Count-down-to-start beeper. 10 second then traditional 5,4,3,2,1 beeps.

- Multiple run-time views including views emphasizing splits formatted to be yelled out.


Overview:


Running the Timer


View of the Timer in run mode showing some of the options. (1) is classic view with speed and cadence analysis turned on. (2) is lap Call out mode where an extra easy to read field has been added that holds just the Second and Tenth of second portion of the last lap split. (3) is an example of the count down to start option. This 10 second animated countdown is accompanied by the traditional 5-beeps if sounds are enabled. Note that any portion of the the large green button may be used to start/lap the timer.


There is no Stop button, after ending the final lap Hit the “done” button. This automatically opens an email window addressed to the rider with an optional CC field. The log has been printed into the body of the message. The final time and event name are in the subject. It is editable, additional comments can be typed before sending.


All times are save in a searchable database. Saved files and be edited for rider name, velodrome/track-length, and missed or inaccurate lap times can be replaced with placeholder timestamps.
http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple...en480x480.jpeg

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/velo...418069969?mt=8

carleton 02-12-14 01:39 PM

Here is detailed commentary and info about his apps: http://giosiphone.blogspot.com/

carleton 02-16-14 03:05 PM

Ever have a hard time trying to understand which stem to use to get the desired effect?

This will help: http://alex.phred.org/stemchart/Default.aspx

zizou 02-21-14 07:42 AM

Interesting article about BT bikes and the design of their bike around the 2000 Olympic Games.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...1/s3109543.htm

carleton 02-21-14 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by zizou (Post 16514521)
Interesting article about BT bikes and the design of their bike around the 2000 Olympic Games.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...1/s3109543.htm

That's an awesome read. I'd heard that there was some drama, I just didn't know how much!


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/110/36...60e73f41_o.jpg
http://thehippy.net/nucleus/media/1/...bt_stealth.jpg

Velocirapture 02-28-14 06:56 AM

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So this is not technically from the web (well, the raw data is: http://www.cyclingmasters.com/site/results ), but it occurred to me that it might be interesting for others.

This is a simple comparison of race time changes across age and gender groups (very simple - done in excel as an 'i wonder..' exercise). The avg and stdev are based on predominantly 2012 and 2013 World Masters results, top ten places per event, and the age on the x-axis refers to the starting age of the particular age range.
NB - 2000m pursuit times for age groups that do longer distances, are based on the 2000m split for the longer distance. Likewise for the 500m times - this is just the split for the kilo or 750m as relevant.
Horizontal error bars are an artefact - ignore. the vertical error bars are based on the data sets.



http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366427

Nagrom_ 02-28-14 09:19 AM

I hate to highlight crashes, but this is pretty spectacular. Looks like the bike goes 10+ feet into the air.

They say the Dutchman made contact, but I don't see it.
Didn't know you could high-side a bicycle.



Glad there were no serious injuries.

queerpunk 02-28-14 11:34 AM

oof. that's a fascinating spill to try to pick apart.

carleton 02-28-14 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Velocirapture (Post 16534624)
So this is not technically from the web (well, the raw data is: http://www.cyclingmasters.com/site/results ), but it occurred to me that it might be interesting for others.

This is a simple comparison of race time changes across age and gender groups (very simple - done in excel as an 'i wonder..' exercise). The avg and stdev are based on predominantly 2012 and 2013 World Masters results, top ten places per event, and the age on the x-axis refers to the starting age of the particular age range.
NB - 2000m pursuit times for age groups that do longer distances, are based on the 2000m split for the longer distance. Likewise for the 500m times - this is just the split for the kilo or 750m as relevant.
Horizontal error bars are an artefact - ignore. the vertical error bars are based on the data sets.



http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366427

Nice.

I love data...a lot.

Maybe instead of time in the Y axis, you plot average speed in KPH.

If you want more data (ages, times) you can find lots on USA Cycling's site (which seems to be down at the moment, otherwise I'd add specific links).

Velocirapture 02-28-14 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16535645)
Nice.

I love data...a lot.

Maybe instead of time in the Y axis, you plot average speed in KPH.

If you want more data (ages, times) you can find lots on USA Cycling's site (which seems to be down at the moment, otherwise I'd add specific links).


Great idea. will do that over the weekend and pop the results back up here.
And thanks - i'll have a look at the site. i'm also a definite datanerd :D

Kayce 02-28-14 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 16535556)
oof. that's a fascinating spill to try to pick apart.

The track sprinting fb group has some high quality stills in it. From those its pretty obvious that the Dutchman's right leg pushed up on the aussie's arm and lifted the front end off the track. Its a weird one.

Velocirapture 02-28-14 12:50 PM

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this still doesn't give any insight into the crash, but its pretty spectacular nonetheless.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=366478

carleton 02-28-14 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Velocirapture (Post 16535668)
Great idea. will do that over the weekend and pop the results back up here.
And thanks - i'll have a look at the site. i'm also a definite datanerd :D

Here are the results for the last 5 USA Masters Track Nationals:

2009: https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...-2389&view=cat
2010: https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...-2069&view=cat
2011: https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...1-175&view=cat
2012: https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...12-25&view=cat
2013: https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...13-15&view=cat

Go nuts!

Remember to take note of the city and make adjustments or disregard those events that happened at altitude. 2009 and 2012 were held in Colorado Springs, Colorado where the elevation is 6,000ft

Impreza_aL 02-28-14 01:41 PM

though it's a bit dated. pervis interview!

zizou 03-06-14 05:16 AM

Interesting couple of articles about an Australian coach Charlie Walsh who was in charge of their cycling programme in the 80s and 90s

It is perhaps a little one sided focusing on those with axes to grind but it is still a good insight into the personal side of a particular type of coaching.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/03/re...charlie-walsh/

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/03/th...f-gold-medals/

queerpunk 03-06-14 08:35 AM

^woah, those are intense.

Hida Yanra 03-06-14 11:02 AM

one-sided or not, the coach was given multiple opportunities to respond and didn't.
When there are as many ex-athletes coming out of the woodwork as there currently are on that topic.... well, that's also worth something

VanceMac 03-07-14 11:15 AM

The TrackSprinting page on Facebook has been on fire this week. Old school coaches, new school coaches, Elite Sprinters all chiming in. Of course, being the internet, you have to sift through all the trolls and snark. Still, the S/N is higher than most of Facebook. www.facebook.com/groups/171635342849338/

carleton 03-07-14 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by VanceMac (Post 16557300)
The TrackSprinting page on Facebook has been on fire this week. Old school coaches, new school coaches, Elite Sprinters all chiming in. Of course, being the internet, you have to sift through all the trolls and snark. Still, the S/N is higher than most of Facebook. www.facebook.com/groups/171635342849338/

I haven't been a member of Facebook since 2009 :(

(The people are fine, it's Facebook, Inc. that I don't like. Awful business practices.)


What are they talking about?

VanceMac 03-07-14 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16557456)
I haven't been a member of Facebook since 2009 :(

What are they talking about?

Most of the usual: weightlifting (yay, nay, how much), gearing/cadence, yadda yadda. Jon Fraley chiming in a lot. Lee Povey finally posted a common sense level-setter:
Ok, Quinn's tongue in cheek post and some of the confusion and misdirection I read on this and many other forums has got me in the mood to post today.

So for free here are my thoughts, take them as you wish

1. Just because someone faster than you is doing something doesn't mean its the right thing for you (or even them!). Some riders are just plain more talented than others and can still be quicker than you even training badly. At the Olympics, World champs, World Cups etc I have been at I have seen riders with frankly ridiculous warm up protocols, poor technique in starts, horrible bike set ups etc and everyone of them is faster than me....but they could be so much quicker if they were doing it better. This goes for coaches too, it's irrelevant how quick your coach is as a rider if they can't understand how to relate that training to you and your needs. Often the riders that aren't as naturally gifted make better coaches because they have had to analyze themselves more carefully to compete with their more naturally gifted counterparts.

2. Gearing is the biggest misnomer right now, firstly cadence is where you should be focussing, the gear choice being a bye product of that. Emulate the elite guys cadences not gearing. For a variety or reasons gearing in training is different from gearing in races, and is usually a fair bit smaller (excepting over geared training efforts), think about this when designing your training program, again go back to cadences, you will find 94" on a cold windy outdoor track is a very different gear to 94" on double discs, tires at 220 psi on a wooden indoor track, train at the cadence you want to race at not the gear you want to use.

3. The current trend for super big gears is a little misleading for most non elite riders (by elite I am talking 10.5 and under) for the less well trained and efficient athletes whacking the gear up can have a short term speed gain, doesnt mean its helping your long term development and then we come to racing itself......

4.I know its fun to brag sometimes about things like peak power/max squats/chainring sizes etc, however it often becomes a focus and leads you away from the real aim which should be to win races! Too many here are focussing too narrowly on small areas and not seeing the whole picture. The 200m is just the entry ticket to the races, if your training is constantly about the "right" gear/cadence to do a good 200m there is a good chance you won't be able to race as well as you could. Elite riders I know can do the same 200m time on gearing between 102 and 120 but you wont catch them racing on 120! most will race on between 4-8" less than they qualify and are pedalling at way higher rpms in a race then almost everyone who posts here. Also the gear you choose to race in needs to be able to cope with a variety of tactics and scenarios, having an "overspeed" buffer where you can still be effective over a wide range of cadences is a big advantage, especially when rushing the slipstream on an opponent. Bear in mind the steeper the banking and the tighter the radius of the turn the more your rpms will go up in the bends, can make quite a few rpms difference between the outdoor track/road you train on and the indoor one for your major comp.

5. There is no magic formula, no silver bullet, no perfect answer. Real progress is made by a combination of lots of factors, with the gear you use for your flying 200m just being one small part. Do you get enough quality rest? Is your diet conducive to excellent recovery? Are you working on all the aspects of your sprint? Starts, accelerations, top end speed, speed endurance, form, aerodynamics, recovery between efforts, tapering, roadblocks, rest breaks, mental prep, practicing tactics-observation, injury prevention, supplementation? Some of these things are quite personal too, what works for Bob might not always work for John and vice versa. Although there are a lot of things that will work for the majority of people if applied at the right level for them and not just copied ad hoc from the elites.

6. Gym work. In my experience with the athletes I have worked with and the ones I see racing and hear about, gym work is a vital part of MOST sprinters training. Its the most effective way to build muscle mass (if you need more which isn't always the case..) and can also be very effective at teaching better fiber/neural requirement. What you do in the gym though can make a big difference, the training these days is quite different to the more body building programs of the 80-90's and early 00's. Todays sprinters are leaner yet stronger. Numbers are totally personal, just because you can back squat 250 and the other guy can do 400 doesn't mean he will be quicker (Theo Bos couldn't back squat more than 150kg apparently, he seemed to do alright...), what is relevant is progression, USUALLY an increase in gym strength for a rider will correlate with faster times on track although there can be occasional exceptions to this. Also gym is quite rev specific with most of the gym gains relating to roughly 0-75rpms on a bike, anything much over 100rpms is very difficult to train with gym work. Other factors are age of the athlete and also how their body handles weight training, some athletes can cope with it really well and others get broken by it. Again the guys that make it at elite level are usually the ones that can cope with big workloads and big poundages. They are just more gifted than us at training. Also what works for them now might be having some long term negative payoffs for later life, there comes a point where training at elite level goes past what is truly healthy for some people, worth considering when racing a bike is your hobby not your job...find what works for you, if your lower back can't take squatting/deadlifting at a weight that's useful try leg press or single leg squats instead. Don't risk your long term health. Again find out what works for you and be prepared to change it when it stops being effective or causes you problems. Finally yes you can become elite/fast without weights, they are just a useful tool if you can handle them. ALWAYS put form 1st, remember you are using weights/resistance training to go faster on a bike, not to be the strongest gym in the gym, little and steady improvements here are the way forward.

7. Equipment, the difference between high quality tires and clinchers/training tires is as much if not more of a time benefit than between spokes and aero wheels/discs. Frontal area matters, aerodynamics is a very complicated arena, a simple rule of thumb for most of us though is if you make your frontal area smaller you will go faster for the same given power output, this goes for weight too with 3-4kg's being roughly a 10th of a second over a flying 200m, and more like 2-3th's over a standing lap. Think about that when buying expensive wheels, laying off the cake could have a bigger gain 1st...

I think thats enough from me for today :)

carleton 03-07-14 03:24 PM

Amazing post :D

I totally agree with all of that, especially with regards to taking note of cadences instead of gears, power meter, or gym numbers. Cadence is the most telling metric that you can ever gather as a track racer. Not even speed or power tell as much of the story as cadence does.

Baby Puke 03-07-14 07:07 PM

It's good stuff. Between the content here and on Facebook it seems the spirit of FGF is not dead yet. I miss the velodrome database, though.

Hermes 03-08-14 10:41 AM

I attended Lee Povy's and Dave Le Gry's standing start and pursuit clinic at VSC and Hellyer. I liked the standing start clinic the best and I have used Lee to tune up my start last year.

And he will be at LAVRA Sunday and we can watch the man on the boards.

Hermes 03-08-14 10:55 AM

What I find interesting about Povy's post and his comments on leg speed is his lack of use of the motor at the track. Both Roger Young and Travis Smith at VSC use the motor and Travis uses it a lot. However, both Travis and Roger are licensed or allowed to motor pace at the track and I do not think that Lee is. He would have to hire a motor pacer and share fees or pass on the cost to clients.

I motor pace a lot and I do not listen to the negative comments by some coaches that pursuiters must push the wind or sprinters blah blah blah. I think the motor drills that Travis and Roger use build leg speed, power and endurance and it is a lot more fun than pushing the wind. However, pushing the wind is also and integral part of training and I do that as well.

When I work out at Hellyer, I hire my own motor and do some of the motor drills that Travis and Roger use at VSC because I agree with Lee that leg speed is important and the right use of the motor has helped me a lot.


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