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topflightpro 09-24-20 03:14 PM

Not at all. It is rather stiff.

SynergyPro 09-24-20 11:14 PM

Also no new Modell on the approved frames list.

m_sasso 09-28-20 12:22 AM

Have a friend that is selling his size medium, if anyone is looking for an Electron Pro.

topflightpro 03-11-21 07:46 AM

Argon added it's Tokyo bikes to its website: https://www.argon18.com/en/bikes/track

The geometry has been updated a bit, going longer and taller. And Argon claims there is a difference in the Sprint/Pursuit frames, but given the geometry and details, I have a very hard time believing they are really making two different frames. But I do know the forks are different on each.

Also interesting, it only accepts Thru-Axle front wheels. I'm not actually familiar with any TA track wheels.

brawlo 03-11-21 06:25 PM

Phil Hindes has pics and video on his socials of the new Hope bike

Clythio 03-12-21 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by topflightpro (Post 21962110)
Argon added it's Tokyo bikes to its website: https://www.argon18.com/en/bikes/track
The geometry has been updated a bit, going longer and taller. And Argon claims there is a difference in the Sprint/Pursuit frames, but given the geometry and details, I have a very hard time believing they are really making two different frames. But I do know the forks are different on each.
Also interesting, it only accepts Thru-Axle front wheels. I'm not actually familiar with any TA track wheels.

They don't need necessarily to make different geometries - for the "sprint version", one can add some extra layers of carbon/resin on the right places, in order to improve stiffness. +200g wouldn't make any difference for the big guys.
For example, I had both "regular and top" versions of Scott CR-1 and Scott Addict and the -150g on the frame, -100 on the fork came from a cost of a much more flexible chasses. I'm a 90kg sprinter, liked the "regular" version at most, on both models.

topflightpro 03-13-21 09:49 AM

My point wasn't that they couldn't add carbon to increase stiffness. My thought is given the total number of frames they will likely sell and the fact that both the sprint and pursuit versions have the same paint job, I cannot imagine they can justify the cost of managing two production lines. It would be much more reasonable to assume they are building one frame and packaging it with a different fork/handlebar option, depending on the version you want.

I'm reminded of something a friend who used to wait tables at a very high-end restaurant told me - if you ask for coffee with dessert, there's a good chance you're getting decaf whether you asked for it because they need to empty the decaf pots.

Also, I found details on compatible front wheels - for the sprint version, you can get a Campy front disk, FSA Tri-Spoke or Corima 4-Spoke through Argon, and for the pursuit version, you can only use the Zipp wheels.

carleton 03-14-21 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by topflightpro (Post 21965354)
My point wasn't that they couldn't add carbon to increase stiffness. My thought is given the total number of frames they will likely sell and the fact that both the sprint and pursuit versions have the same paint job, I cannot imagine they can justify the cost of managing two production lines. It would be much more reasonable to assume they are building one frame and packaging it with a different fork/handlebar option, depending on the version you want.

I'm reminded of something a friend who used to wait tables at a very high-end restaurant told me - if you ask for coffee with dessert, there's a good chance you're getting decaf whether you asked for it because they need to empty the decaf pots.

But that's exactly what Felt did with the TK1 Endurance and TK1 Sprint (or whatever they were called a few years ago. The Sprint model used a heavier layup.

So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.)

On a related note, I know for a fact that this is how Mr. Tiemeyer made frames for his clients. He would ask you about you power output (actual or estimated) then choose tubing to match. So, two riders riding the same events with the same body geometry but dramatically different power profiles would get bikes with the same angles and dimensions but the more powerful rider would get thicker tubing. The bikes would look identical from the outside, but the one with thicker tubing would be noticeably heavier...and stiffer under torque.

Seth Snyder used the same principle when he made my steel frame. Steel frames are known to be very compliant and can be flexy under huge load. But, Snyder chose tubing that was thicker than his normal tubing and the outcome was a steel frame that had the geometry and stiffness of a LOOK 496 for a fraction of the cost...with a round seat tube and Chris King head tube. It handled like it was on rails.

m@tty 03-15-21 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 21966847)

So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.)

Good overview of how the GB Hope Frames are made here from Concept to Final Product!

Morelock 07-21-21 07:46 AM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea271d22d5.png

Those S shaped 3D printed risers are something new

700wheel 07-22-21 10:58 AM

Homemade start gate

I am thinging about making a start gate for start practice.
I found this one on youtube
Home made starting gate DIY cycling starting gate velodrome - Bing video

Any other ideas?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5cbb907e45.jpg

Morelock 07-22-21 03:34 PM

There was someone on the track sprinting facebook page ~ year ago that made a pretty slick setup that hooked to their hitch on vehicle

*found it - search for a post by Brent Atkins in the tracksprinting group

700wheel 07-22-21 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Morelock (Post 22153470)
There was someone on the track sprinting facebook page ~ year ago that made a pretty slick setup that hooked to their hitch on vehicle

*found it - search for a post by Brent Atkins in the tracksprinting group

Thanks. Found the post at

m@tty 08-12-21 05:17 AM

While scouring the web today found these.

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/356910/

m@tty 08-12-21 10:28 AM

And looks like I have found the new frame!
https://worxbikes.com/product/track-wx-r-frameset/

bicievino 08-12-21 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by m@tty (Post 22181132)
While scouring the web today found these.

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/356910/

Looks pretty cool. Wish they were race legal.

taras0000 08-15-21 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 21966847)
But that's exactly what Felt did with the TK1 Endurance and TK1 Sprint (or whatever they were called a few years ago. The Sprint model used a heavier layup.

So, maybe they are saving money by not creating separate Endurance and Spring molds for each given size. Maybe they are using the same molds and adding more carbon when the sprint frames are being produced. (I don't know if that's how it would go down. Not familiar with carbon fiber manufacturing.).

That's exactly how you would stiffen a frame using the same mold. The internal bladders just compress the the carbon lay up against the inside of a rigid mold. How you alter the lay up itself would make no difference in the methodology of how the frame is produced. Once you have your shape/mold, and general lay up figured out, you could then customize the level of compliance and stiffness just by playing around with different lay up schedules.

taras0000 08-15-21 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by m@tty (Post 22181536)
And looks like I have found the new frame!
https://worxbikes.com/product/track-wx-r-frameset/

Dead link, here is the correct one - https://www.wx-r.com/

m@tty 08-16-21 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 22186031)
Dead link, here is the correct one - https://www.wx-r.com/

the link works fine and is for a different frame

https://worxbikes.com/track-wx-r/

taras0000 08-17-21 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by m@tty (Post 22186146)
the link works fine and is for a different frame

https://worxbikes.com/track-wx-r/

Weird. It wasn't working for me before. It's an interesting frame. Price seems reasonable as well, especially considering that they are drawing their own tubes. Maybe they saw the hole left behind by Tiemeyer and decided that a well engineered frame that's not just an open offering from the factories still has a place amongst all the carbon that's the rage on the track.

bicievino 08-17-21 03:17 PM

Yeah, the geometry on the long reach version looks great!

carpediemracing 08-18-21 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by m@tty (Post 22186146)
the link works fine and is for a different frame

https://worxbikes.com/track-wx-r/


wow. If I didn't have my frame already this would be the one for me to get. long version.

Morelock 08-18-21 10:14 AM

Here is the
to the record attempts taking place today (Lambie's 3:59 attempt, multiple others)

Morelock 08-18-21 02:12 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e21914c6cc.png
Pretty flippin impressive

m@tty 08-25-21 05:35 PM

Another option for endurance bars

topflightpro 11-17-21 09:38 AM

Looks like Look has a "new" mid-price track frame. https://www.lookcycle.com/be-en/895-vitesse

It seems to be an evolution of the R96, but at a lower price point.

m@tty 11-28-21 01:33 AM

Mora Verdi appeared to have hoods bolted to a set of Worx bars at the UCI Champions league. Unless these are new bars from Worx.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac25184f7.jpeg



better picture here!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a154c0da.jpeg

m@tty 01-13-22 06:35 PM

New bars from Velo Flyer

Hellyer Track Bar 2 ? VELO FLYER BICYCLES

Agro Sprint Bar ? VELO FLYER BICYCLES

theblackbullet 02-05-22 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by m@tty (Post 22322254)
Mora Verdi appeared to have hoods bolted to a set of Worx bars at the UCI Champions league. Unless these are new bars from Worx.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac25184f7.jpeg


https://www.instagram.com/p/CV-HamKM...dium=copy_link

better picture here!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a154c0da.jpeg

these look very comfortable. I'd really like to try some of these hoods that have been coming out lately.

Morelock 02-07-22 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by theblackbullet (Post 22400285)
these look very comfortable. I'd really like to try some of these hoods that have been coming out lately.

Cane creek sells dummy hoods.

Some dude is trying to hawk the sketchiest 3d printed ones ever on FB marketplace lately... with a staggering misunderstanding of basic safety.


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