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WhyFi 11-11-21 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22303460)
So there I was on Zwift, tooling around Watopia, minding my own business as I warmed up, planning as usual to do a spin-down as soon as I reached 10 minutes, when the C. Cadence Pace Partner group swarms past me. So, based on WhyFi's suggestion, I took off after them. For a group rolling along at about 2.5W/kg, they took a surprising amount of time at 300-400W to catch! But I settled down into the group, and was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to stay with them. Previously, I'd had difficulty - first I'd overshoot the group, then I'd back off too much and they'd pass and drop me, then I'd chase back on only to overshoot again - lather, rinse, repeat. I guess I've gotten more used to slight adjustments in power, the occasional mini-surge, etc. Rode with them for 10 minutes, then they went one way and I went another.

I'd forgotten that if you did start out choosing 'Ride With Pace Partner', you'll just keep doing whatever route you chose, and so will they. So stopped the game and restarted, this time choosing "Ride With C. Cadence". Average power for the 43 minutes I was on was 191W, which means I spent a lot of time at the threshold of Z2 and Z3. I suspect it would be easier if I turned 'Trainer Difficulty' to zero, so it would just be constant resistance. But where's the fun in THAT?

Told ya :p

w/r/t trainer difficulty: with Cadence, it tends to go the opposite of what I would have figured - I'm more likely to accidentally drop her because I reflexively bump up my effort on little rises, so when I feel the resistance increase, I need to remember to go easy.

I see that you've got a lotta drips! Are you saving for something? Or already upgraded as much as you care to for now? I picked up a set of ENVE 3.2s last week, should have enough to get the 2021 Canyon Aeroad at the end of the session today. Maybe I'll work on a TT bike after that :foo:

WhyFi 11-11-21 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22303326)
Not a proper cherry though. 😔

For $26 I expect better.

I want someone hand-carving a large chunk of ice for my cocktail for $26.


rjones28 11-11-21 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22303403)
I have plenty of replacements after those $30-35 Rocket Ron and nobby nic sales.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f8ccb9224c.jpg

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the 26 x 4.0 fat bike tires I want to come back in stock.

WhyFi 11-11-21 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22303586)
That's weird...Mines the other way, higher inside.

It can go either way. The conditions outside can be inconsistent (because of traffic controls, weather, terrain, etc) so it can be easier on the trainer to knock out a hard, even effort. On the other hand, many see a drop in power for whatever reason, whether it's a lack of fresh oxygen, inadequate cooling, the lack of a sensation of speed to provide motivation, etc.

rjones28 11-11-21 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22303580)
That is true, but you won't know that unless you check the oil.

Bah, run it 'till it seizes.

Mojo31 11-11-21 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22303685)
Bah, run it 'till it seizes.

You related to my wife?

datlas 11-11-21 08:08 AM

Mrs datlas and I went hiking yesterday and I took a sharp branch to the forehead. It's left quite an impressive mark.

When patients ask about it today, I am telling them it's from Voldemort. I am not sure how many of them get the Harry Potter reference.

rjones28 11-11-21 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22303709)
You related to my wife?

One of my mechanic friends had his Golf seize up at highway speeds, after rapid oil loss. Of course, it was one of the coldest days of the year.

He's a good mechanic and takes care of his vehicles, but likes to upgrade things. Apparently, a fitting broke.

Naturally, I still roast him about this incident. :)

rjones28 11-11-21 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22303731)
Mrs datlas and I went hiking yesterday and I took a sharp branch to the forehead. It's left quite an impressive mark.

When patients ask about it today, I am telling them it's from Voldemort. I am not sure how many of them get the Harry Potter reference.

I guess you missed the session on defending yourself against pointed sticks.


BillyD 11-11-21 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22303731)
Mrs datlas and I went hiking yesterday and I took a sharp branch to the forehead. It's left quite an impressive mark.

When patients ask about it today, I am telling them it's from Voldemort. I am not sure how many of them get the Harry Potter reference.

I wouldn't get it, but that's okay, you can't keep up with the whole world.

BITD when I lived uptown and worked downtown I would read the Times in transit and dream of the day when I could retire and get to read the whole paper every day. Heh heh heh heh, how silly was that. That spare time quickly and effortlessly was filled by other stuff. Sadly, I think I read even less of the paper now.

genejockey 11-11-21 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22303669)
Told ya :p

w/r/t trainer difficulty: with Cadence, it tends to go the opposite of what I would have figured - I'm more likely to accidentally drop her because I reflexively bump up my effort on little rises, so when I feel the resistance increase, I need to remember to go easy.

I see that you've got a lotta drips! Are you saving for something? Or already upgraded as much as you care to for now? I picked up a set of ENVE 3.2s last week, should have enough to get the 2021 Canyon Aeroad at the end of the session today. Maybe I'll work on a TT bike after that :foo:

What I found was that, yeah, I'd start leaving her behind when the road went up, because I just naturally start pushing harder, and I have to gear down and mind my watts. Then when the gradient turns negative, one tends to naturally lighten up, and if you do, then she'll pass you. As long as I kept my power between 160W and 210W, I'd not only stay within range, but largely stay in the same place in the pack. One thing I noticed was that the pack would surge head of her sometimes, and if I stayed with her I think I'd lose draft advantage, but then other times she'd surge through the pack, never quite to the head of it, but at least into the mid-front.

As far as the drops go, I've already got about as many bikes on Zwift as I have IRL! If I'm just riding on my own, what "bike" I'm "riding" doesn't matter that much. Once I start racing again, I'll pay closer attention. But right now, I've got the Canyon Ultimate and the Aeroad, and the DT Diecuts you can get at a pretty low level, and those make a pretty good pairing.

Velo Vol 11-11-21 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22303731)
Mrs datlas and I went hiking yesterday and I took a sharp branch to the forehead. It's left quite an impressive mark.

At HikingForums.net, would this be considered a newb mistake? The equivalent of not unclipping at a stop sign?

genejockey 11-11-21 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22303824)
At HikingForums.net, would this be considered a newb mistake? The equivalent of not unclipping at a stop sign?

I thought the noob mistake in hiking was letting go of a branch before the guy behind you has hold of it, so it smacks HIM in the face? Sort of like suddenly standing up out of the saddle in a paceline, causing the guy behind you to touch wheels and taking him down.

Velo Vol 11-11-21 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22303830)
I thought the noob mistake in hiking was letting go of a branch before the guy behind you has hold of it, so it smacks HIM in the face? Sort of like suddenly standing up out of the saddle in a paceline, causing the guy behind you to touch wheels and taking him down.

Maybe Ms. datlas did that to datlas?

datlas 11-11-21 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22303839)
Maybe Ms. datlas did that to datlas?

Good idea, but no. I did this one all by myself. Still, a hiking newb oops.

phrantic09 11-11-21 10:12 AM

I called Garmin today about issues with my vector 3 pedals suddenly dropping all of the time. I expected the answer to be tough luck due to them being out of warranty- instead, Iím getting new pedals in 2 days at no cost to me.

phrantic09 11-11-21 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22303820)
What I found was that, yeah, I'd start leaving her behind when the road went up, because I just naturally start pushing harder, and I have to gear down and mind my watts. Then when the gradient turns negative, one tends to naturally lighten up, and if you do, then she'll pass you. As long as I kept my power between 160W and 210W, I'd not only stay within range, but largely stay in the same place in the pack. One thing I noticed was that the pack would surge head of her sometimes, and if I stayed with her I think I'd lose draft advantage, but then other times she'd surge through the pack, never quite to the head of it, but at least into the mid-front.

As far as the drops go, I've already got about as many bikes on Zwift as I have IRL! If I'm just riding on my own, what "bike" I'm "riding" doesn't matter that much. Once I start racing again, I'll pay closer attention. But right now, I've got the Canyon Ultimate and the Aeroad, and the DT Diecuts you can get at a pretty low level, and those make a pretty good pairing.

I had the same issue too. Getting more used to it though

big john 11-11-21 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22303577)
There was even video of most of it. It was on vhs, that's how long ago it happened.

Well, he is 76.

sshakari 11-11-21 11:27 AM

I've riding my old Merckx with power meter pedals and I noticed that my power output, my average speed is the same as my carbon bike. There is about 7lbs difference in the bikes.... I don't get it.

I wanted to build up a steel bike, but there were part problems supply etc.. so I bought a 90s Merckx which now blows my mind.

datlas 11-11-21 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by sshakari (Post 22303950)
I've riding my old Merckx with power meter pedals and I noticed that my power output, my average speed is the same as my carbon bike. There is about 7lbs difference in the bikes.... I don't get it.

I wanted to build up a steel bike, but there were part problems supply etc.. so I bought a 90s Merckx which now blows my mind.

What's not to get? Unless you are going up super-steep climbs, a few pounds' weight is not going to make much of a difference. The heavier bike may actually be faster if your setup is more aggressive/aero on it.

genejockey 11-11-21 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22303955)
What's not to get? Unless you are going up super-steep climbs, a few pounds' weight is not going to make much of a difference. The heavier bike may actually be faster if your setup is more aggressive/aero on it.

I have a CF Bianchi which weighs about 18 lbs, and a steel Battaglin which weighs maybe 22 lbs. As far as I can tell, they're equally fast over the same roads.

WhyFi 11-11-21 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22303990)
I have a CF Bianchi which weighs about 18 lbs, and a steel Battaglin which weighs maybe 22 lbs. As far as I can tell, they're equally fast over the same roads.

With no power data, it's a shrug of the shoulders. Not that I think there'd be a huge difference, but the noise floor is certainly higher without more info.

genejockey 11-11-21 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22304003)
With no power data, it's a shrug of the shoulders. Not that I think there'd be a huge difference, but the noise floor is certainly higher without more info.

Right. But I don't care $1000 about it. ;)

I did have fun with my '40km time trial' riding this summer, where the Canyon was the fastest by about 0.3mph average over the course, and the Battaglin and Bianchi were tied for second.

WhyFi 11-11-21 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22304022)
Right. But I don't care $1000 about it. ;)

Come, now. Everybody knows that you don't buy a PM to know how awesome your bike is - you buy one to know how much you suck as a cyclist. Knowing the relative awesomeness of your bikes is a bonus.

seedsbelize2 11-11-21 01:15 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...359a3e52b5.jpg
88 Centurion Ironman Expert
genejockey was the inspiration for getting it back on the road. Oops. I just realized it's taken from the wrong side. Oh well. It has.a 64xx crank, and a mix of derailleurs, Suntour VX on the rear and some random Shimano on the front. Brooks Team Pro saddle. I don't know when I will get the chance to test ride it. Possibly this late afternoon.


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