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gster 11-06-18 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20650695)
I stand corrected, BC.
The spindle did arrive last night.
Thank you VERY much!
I appreciate the time and effort to ship and will
respond in kind.
It IS "REAL F#CKIN' GOOD"
Greg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3a99751a07.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f3e96b000.jpg

gster 11-06-18 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20650908)
I remember that one..
Perhaps you'll remember this place...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8675fa6904.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb34278d8d.jpg

Stenavpix 11-06-18 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20649854)
You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.

Precisely what happened.

Stenavpix 11-06-18 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20649854)
You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.

I'm trying to harness the famous English patience from my English bike! lol

Stenavpix 11-06-18 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20649854)
You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.

Wow, this is really strict here. I can't even quote another member that has a picture in their post without it saying I can't post URLs yet. It's not even my URL. Oh, well. lol

Stenavpix 11-06-18 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20649854)
You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.

Sorry, to use your post here to add to my post total to try to obtain ten.

clubman 11-06-18 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20650908)
I remember that one..
Perhaps you'll remember this place...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8675fa6904.jpg

You know it. My mom was born and raised in Mt Dennis, Crayden Ave was named after her family and she lived beside Kodak Eastman. She also lived on the infamous Raymore Dr during Hurricane Hazel but survived. That shop was so distinctive but I got my first CCM at the shop on John St near Lawrence.

Courtesy of The Star


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6acd6bba4a.jpg

Stenavpix 11-06-18 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20649854)
You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.

And this should make ten posts. Seems like my posts about this bike may be anti-climatic now. Tomorrow is another day...

56ford 11-06-18 09:35 PM

Hi all. I need to get up to 10 posts to post pictures but I bought a project bike last week. I plan to do a build thread on it and I'll be asking a bunch of questions. I don't know exact year but I believe it to be a late 50's, pre-Raleigh, Birmingham Hercules. Unfortunately someone put a bunch of Schwinn parts on it so I'm unsure how much is original and what's not. I essentially bought it for the frame and crank set. I'm looking forward to learning from you all.

gster 11-07-18 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by 56ford (Post 20651805)
Hi all. I need to get up to 10 posts to post pictures but I bought a project bike last week. I plan to do a build thread on it and I'll be asking a bunch of questions. I don't know exact year but I believe it to be a late 50's, pre-Raleigh, Birmingham Hercules. Unfortunately someone put a bunch of Schwinn parts on it so I'm unsure how much is original and what's not. I essentially bought it for the frame and crank set. I'm looking forward to learning from you all.

Come and play with us, Danny...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...519c5f2b20.jpg

56ford 11-07-18 07:43 AM

Nice... Iíll post pics of my 67 Raleigh Sports also. That one Iím going to keep as original as possible as it is pretty much completely original except for the saddle which is vinyl mattress.

BigChief 11-07-18 03:48 PM

Hmmm, owner came off the 250 price down to a good 175 asking. Outside of the 70s pedals, I don't see anything wrong in the picture. Looks like a good one. If I didn't just buy the Rudge, I'd consider it.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da9b7f5769.jpg
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...739777361.html

gster 11-07-18 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20652986)
Hmmm, owner came off the 250 price down to a good 175 asking. Outside of the 70s pedals, I don't see anything wrong in the picture. Looks like a good one. If I didn't just buy the Rudge, I'd consider it.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da9b7f5769.jpg
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...739777361.html

I'd agree, that's a good deal.
It's tall, complete, Dynohub (reversed), chaincase, period trigger (I assume) and
even the saddle and rims look good.

gster 11-07-18 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20651587)
You know it. My mom was born and raised in Mt Dennis, Crayden Ave was named after her family and she lived beside Kodak Eastman. She also lived on the infamous Raymore Dr during Hurricane Hazel but survived. That shop was so distinctive but I got my first CCM at the shop on John St near Lawrence.

Courtesy of The Star


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6acd6bba4a.jpg

I had an old 64 Chevelle that came from that dealership on Lawrence....
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ad3ca9cc8b.jpg

wahoonc 11-07-18 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20653005)
I'd agree, that's a good deal.
It's tall, complete, Dynohub (reversed), chaincase, period trigger (I assume) and
even the saddle and rims look good.

Actually that may be the correct side fro that dyno hub. The older ones went on the left side of the bike rather than the right, don't recall when they switched, some time in the 50's.

Aaron :)

nlerner 11-07-18 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20652986)
Hmmm, owner came off the 250 price down to a good 175 asking. Outside of the 70s pedals, I don't see anything wrong in the picture. Looks like a good one. If I didn't just buy the Rudge, I'd consider it.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da9b7f5769.jpg
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...739777361.html

Tempting and not far from me. Those replacement pedals are an abomination, however!

BigChief 11-07-18 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20653241)


Tempting and not far from me. Those replacement pedals are an abomination, however!

Funny how you develop an appreciation for details like that after a while. The old pedals had thought and craftsmanship put into them. They put the extra effort into them even though the tooling was hand made. It mattered to them if they were graceful and well made. By the 60s, the curves and flared tops were gone. By the 70s it was more like...who cares?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6148a972d1.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66f46a599a.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bc4a091b27.jpg

gster 11-07-18 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 20653163)
Actually that may be the correct side for that dyno hub. The older ones went on the left side of the bike rather than the right, don't recall when they switched, some time in the 50's.

Aaron :)

Good to know.

BigChief 11-07-18 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20653292)
Good to know.

The older ones do have lock nuts on both cones, but I've only seen the dyno mounted drive side in the catalog pictures Having trouble resisting this one. Especially since I don't have a project going.

Stenavpix 11-07-18 09:25 PM

1962 Royal 3-Speed
 
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72f0aaefa4.jpg

Current state.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...264a3bf24b.jpg

Rear view
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b3fb2529f3.jpg

Cuts a nice profile!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe6c882511.jpg

Decals revealed after removing Batman tape and metal head badge
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5524d29595.jpg

Sturmey Archer AW. Stamped "62" "2"
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...367b936e2d.jpg

Front rim.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b97fc506eb.jpg

Front and rear fenders. Decal almost entirely worn off rear.
Hi, again. I think I can post photos now that I've achieved ten posts! I had all of this written out prior to joining this forum, so bear with me if it's kinda long. I found this bike, or should I say it found me, at a local thrift store. I knew it seemed something unique, but didn't pull the trigger on buying it for the $40 they originally wanted for it, and it looked like a kid had previously owned it as it had Batman duct tape over the seat and down tubes, but after a week of it sitting there and no one wanting it we negotiated a $25 price and it was mine! When I saw it originally I had taken some pictures of and had tried doing some research online about what kind of bike this might be. I Googled the "Royal" head badge and could only find one photo by someone selling a crusty one on U.K. Ebay for four Pounds. I did find all sorts of similar logos though, but nothing else that matched. I determined, I think, it was probably something made by Raleigh or a subsidiary. Through Sheldon Brown's site I found out how to determine it's age via the Sturmey Archer gear hub. It was indeed stamped "62" "2" "AW". So, 1962! Heck, that's old! I should know as I was born in 1964. ;-) I found the stamped serial number under the seat and it reads "26269 N PH". For some reason Sheldon Brown's and other sites skip how to decode serial #s from 1962 and 1963. So, anyone's guess is as good as mine what it means. I think since there is a "2" "62" close to each other at the beginning and that's the same as what's on the gear hub, I'm going with 1962 as year of build. The "N" some would saw could be made in Nottingham. The decal on the rear fender is mostly rubbed off, and I read on another site that's where it might say Nottingham. No idea about the "PH", well I do have a theory. After I cleaned off the Batman tape one could see remnants of the decal on the seat post of what appears to say "Made in England for someone Harris something building in New York". Well, I did find one other mention online of another person having a bike from this year and his decal read, "Made in England For D.P. Harris HDW & MFG Rollfast Building New York". Yup, that's what this one appears so say too. Does the "PH" on the stamped serial# mean P Harris? Furthering this theory, the only mention of a "Royal" brand on Brown's site says there was a "Royal Scot" (closest to Royal on the list) brand that was made for a major bicycle dealer in New York. So, that's my best guess. The bike was made in England by Raleigh for D.P. Harris (founder of the famous Rollfast bikes) in 1962. So, then, how did it get to Denver, Colorado? Someone thought enough of the bike to replace some parts at some point to keep it going; an aluminum USA Sunrim on the rear, a vinyl Avocet seat, a Nitto aluminum handle bar neck , Cheng Shin tires a added a nifty 1980s Union Dynamo front and rear light set (made in West Germany - it works!). I'm guessing the brake and gear cable lines and tubes may have been replaced too. Otherwise, best I can tell is everything else is original and I'm happy to report the thing rides great! The tires and tubes even are holding air after pumping them up and the gears and brakes work fine. I haven't really had to do anything but some cleaning, and I'll do more in the near future, plus lubricating. I love the rusty,rough patina. Anyway, that's the story so far on my 1962 Royal English 3-speed. I know it's a "B" brand Raleigh and probably not worth very much money, but it has character and I love it! If anyone has any info or corrections, please feel free to chime in.

gster 11-07-18 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by stenavpix (Post 20653374)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72f0aaefa4.jpg

current state.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...264a3bf24b.jpg

rear view
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b3fb2529f3.jpg

cuts a nice profile!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe6c882511.jpg

decals revealed after removing batman tape and metal head badge
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5524d29595.jpg

sturmey archer aw. Stamped "62" "2"
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...367b936e2d.jpg

front rim.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b97fc506eb.jpg

front and rear fenders. Decal almost entirely worn off rear.
hi, again. I think i can post photos now that i've achieved ten posts! I had all of this written out prior to joining this forum, so bear with me if it's kinda long. I found this bike, or should i say it found me, at a local thrift store. I knew it seemed something unique, but didn't pull the trigger on buying it for the $40 they originally wanted for it, and it looked like a kid had previously owned it as it had batman duct tape over the seat and down tubes, but after a week of it sitting there and no one wanting it we negotiated a $25 price and it was mine! When i saw it originally i had taken some pictures of and had tried doing some research online about what kind of bike this might be. I googled the "royal" head badge and could only find one photo by someone selling a crusty one on u.k. Ebay for four pounds. I did find all sorts of similar logos though, but nothing else that matched. I determined, i think, it was probably something made by raleigh or a subsidiary. Through sheldon brown's site i found out how to determine it's age via the sturmey archer gear hub. It was indeed stamped "62" "2" "aw". So, 1962! Heck, that's old! I should know as i was born in 1964. ;-) i found the stamped serial number under the seat and it reads "26269 n ph". For some reason sheldon brown's and other sites skip how to decode serial #s from 1962 and 1963. So, anyone's guess is as good as mine what it means. I think since there is a "2" "62" close to each other at the beginning and that's the same as what's on the gear hub, i'm going with 1962 as year of build. The "n" some would saw could be made in nottingham. The decal on the rear fender is mostly rubbed off, and i read on another site that's where it might say nottingham. No idea about the "ph", well i do have a theory. After i cleaned off the batman tape one could see remnants of the decal on the seat post of what appears to say "made in england for someone harris something building in new york". Well, i did find one other mention online of another person having a bike from this year and his decal read, "made in england for d.p. Harris hdw & mfg rollfast building new york". Yup, that's what this one appears so say too. Does the "ph" on the stamped serial# mean p harris? Furthering this theory, the only mention of a "royal" brand on brown's site says there was a "royal scot" (closest to royal on the list) brand that was made for a major bicycle dealer in new york. So, that's my best guess. The bike was made in england by raleigh for d.p. Harris (founder of the famous rollfast bikes) in 1962. So, then, how did it get to denver, colorado? Someone thought enough of the bike to replace some parts at some point to keep it going; an aluminum usa sunrim on the rear, a vinyl avocet seat, a nitto aluminum handle bar neck , cheng shin tires a added a nifty 1980s union dynamo front and rear light set (made in west germany - it works!). I'm guessing the brake and gear cable lines and tubes may have been replaced too. Otherwise, best i can tell is everything else is original and i'm happy to report the thing rides great! The tires and tubes even are holding air after pumping them up and the gears and brakes work fine. I haven't really had to do anything but some cleaning, and i'll do more in the near future, plus lubricating. I love the rusty,rough patina. Anyway, that's the story so far on my 1962 royal english 3-speed. I know it's a "b" brand raleigh and probably not worth very much money, but it has character and i love it! If anyone has any info or corrections, please feel free to chime in.

bam!

52telecaster 11-07-18 09:35 PM

Kick ass find!

browngw 11-07-18 10:19 PM

Work starts soon on this "Sports" picked up earlier this summer. Hub says 72. Don't like the looks of the fully sheathed shift cable. This 23" mostly complete bike is being built for myself for a change. I will start a rebuild thread in the near future. Looks like it was sold at a Hardware/Gun/Bike? store.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...152ca331a0.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bfa08d5d7d.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b5c03e54d8.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f63fe219ee.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8213beb8b3.jpg

BigChief 11-08-18 02:00 AM


Originally Posted by Stenavpix (Post 20653374)

Sturmey Archer AW. Stamped "62" "2"Front and rear fenders. Decal almost entirely worn off rear.
Hi, again. I think I can post photos now that I've achieved ten posts! I had all of this written out prior to joining this forum, so bear with me if it's kinda long. I found this bike, or should I say it found me, at a local thrift store. I knew it seemed something unique, but didn't pull the trigger on buying it for the $40 they originally wanted for it, and it looked like a kid had previously owned it as it had Batman duct tape over the seat and down tubes, but after a week of it sitting there and no one wanting it we negotiated a $25 price and it was mine! When I saw it originally I had taken some pictures of and had tried doing some research online about what kind of bike this might be. I Googled the "Royal" head badge and could only find one photo by someone selling a crusty one on U.K. Ebay for four Pounds. I did find all sorts of similar logos though, but nothing else that matched. I determined, I think, it was probably something made by Raleigh or a subsidiary. Through Sheldon Brown's site I found out how to determine it's age via the Sturmey Archer gear hub. It was indeed stamped "62" "2" "AW". So, 1962! Heck, that's old! I should know as I was born in 1964. ;-) I found the stamped serial number under the seat and it reads "26269 N PH". For some reason Sheldon Brown's and other sites skip how to decode serial #s from 1962 and 1963. So, anyone's guess is as good as mine what it means. I think since there is a "2" "62" close to each other at the beginning and that's the same as what's on the gear hub, I'm going with 1962 as year of build. The "N" some would saw could be made in Nottingham. The decal on the rear fender is mostly rubbed off, and I read on another site that's where it might say Nottingham. No idea about the "PH", well I do have a theory. After I cleaned off the Batman tape one could see remnants of the decal on the seat post of what appears to say "Made in England for someone Harris something building in New York". Well, I did find one other mention online of another person having a bike from this year and his decal read, "Made in England For D.P. Harris HDW & MFG Rollfast Building New York". Yup, that's what this one appears so say too. Does the "PH" on the stamped serial# mean P Harris? Furthering this theory, the only mention of a "Royal" brand on Brown's site says there was a "Royal Scot" (closest to Royal on the list) brand that was made for a major bicycle dealer in New York. So, that's my best guess. The bike was made in England by Raleigh for D.P. Harris (founder of the famous Rollfast bikes) in 1962. So, then, how did it get to Denver, Colorado? Someone thought enough of the bike to replace some parts at some point to keep it going; an aluminum USA Sunrim on the rear, a vinyl Avocet seat, a Nitto aluminum handle bar neck , Cheng Shin tires a added a nifty 1980s Union Dynamo front and rear light set (made in West Germany - it works!). I'm guessing the brake and gear cable lines and tubes may have been replaced too. Otherwise, best I can tell is everything else is original and I'm happy to report the thing rides great! The tires and tubes even are holding air after pumping them up and the gears and brakes work fine. I haven't really had to do anything but some cleaning, and I'll do more in the near future, plus lubricating. I love the rusty,rough patina. Anyway, that's the story so far on my 1962 Royal English 3-speed. I know it's a "B" brand Raleigh and probably not worth very much money, but it has character and I love it! If anyone has any info or corrections, please feel free to chime in.

Welcome to the English roadster club! You got a great deal there. Good detective work. Looks like someone who knew what they were doing turned this old bike into a real rider. The stem was changed to get a bit more reach and they lowered the overall gearing with what looks to be a 22T cog on the AW hub. New chain, cables, alloy rims and an inexpensive but useable seat. Not kid stuff. I'm not surprised it rides well.

nlerner 11-08-18 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20653283)
Funny how you develop an appreciation for details like that after a while. The old pedals had thought and craftsmanship put into them. They put the extra effort into them even though the tooling was hand made. It mattered to them if they were graceful and well made. By the 60s, the curves and flared tops were gone. By the 70s it was more like...who cares?

Yes! I really like how the pedals from that era were completely rebuildable, e.g., you could get replacement rubber blocks (which likely would have had Raleigh Industries stamped on them for this bike?). And the detail that the pedals on ladyís frames were shorter than on menís (3.5Ē vs. 4Ē?).


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