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Buellster 01-10-19 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20740996)
A proper punch set is a great tool to have around. I have a Starrett set from my days as a tool and die maker, but even a cheapo set like this would be fine for occasional bike work. I would add a center punch to the kit for drilling.
https://www.amazon.com/Pieces-Pin-Pu...ords=punch+set


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20741001)


Set one is the kind I bent haha picked it up at lowes. Likley using it wrong, or perhaps the pins were proper stuck.

Second link is similair to what I actually used to get it out. I'm glad i have them now. I'd say getting them apart is the toughest part, everything seemed pretty easy after that ordeal haha
The spring require significantly more tension than I would have thought. No wonder they wear down.

BigChief 01-10-19 11:39 AM

Springs will take a set after time. Somewhere back in this thread is a photo comparison of a new trigger spring and one that had been in use for 50 years. You can re-set them if they aren't rusted. You can also use a center punch to tighten up the press fit of the trigger pins if they don't hold tightly in the hole at the back of the case. A gentle center punch will flare out the top of the pin so it holds securely.

Buellster 01-10-19 11:54 AM

Luckily it was quite bendable still. I still have the new leaf springs in case I end up needing them but I figure since the old one could work, I should keep the spares new.
I didnt even try and set the punches once I found the machine bolts fit. I know it's not a full resto unless I use the pins but you've seen the bike it's on so it's not like I'm damageing any integrity haha
It just strikes me the bolts are a better set up than the pins, as far as future disassembly goes that is.

Buellster 01-10-19 11:54 AM

And thank you @BigChief for all the help!
I could not have done it without you. There a hundred videos for dissembling hubs but none for the triggers, without you I'd have been lost!

clubman 01-10-19 02:16 PM

@mtb_addict

Too hard to tell without pics. IMO very few Sports are worth $200, especially with trashed seats and rust. Many times, $50 is too much. You are more likely to screw up by jumping at offers without an informed opinion so you probably did the right thing. Don't stress, there's thousands of them out there. Where do you live?

BigChief 01-10-19 03:55 PM

In New England, $200 is a top of the line price for a Sports, but there are a lot of different factors that add or subtract value. Some of them are personal to me and not important to the marketplace. Some good features can cancel out bad ones, so it's a balance of what you want to end up with against what you're willing to spend. Many variations out there, they aren't rare.

Salubrious 01-10-19 04:12 PM

@mtb_addict

I have a nice Sports with a B-72 that isn't too bad. Its a 1963 IIRC. The frame is a 23". I have new brake pads, tires and tubes on it so its probably going to go for about $125.00 or so. Paint is a bit faded, but the graphics are intact. I'm in St. Paul; pretty sure its not worth the drive!

If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

clubman 01-10-19 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20741820)
@mtb_addict
If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

Funny can't see a pic. Flyin' blind. BirdBox! Maybe some idiot will ride a 3 speed in traffic

Salubrious 01-10-19 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20741857)
Funny can't see a pic. Flyin' blind. BirdBox! Maybe some idiot will ride a 3 speed in traffic

You say'n photos or it didn't happen?

I'll see what I can do.

52telecaster 01-10-19 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20741820)
@mtb_addict

I have a nice Sports with a B-72 that isn't too bad. Its a 1963 IIRC. The frame is a 23". I have new brake pads, tires and tubes on it so its probably going to go for about $125.00 or so. Paint is a bit faded, but the graphics are intact. I'm in St. Paul; pretty sure its not worth the drive!

If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

i would have bought yours last time i was in the twin cities. Love to have a 23.

Buellster 01-10-19 10:15 PM

Does anyone know why some of the SA triggers have the text upside down?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b2860ce9d0.jpg

Like should I be mounting this undearneath on the left side? Is it so people can read it from the front of the bike if its tilted flat?
I've seen it on the old 3 speed ones too and it just seems odd.

adventurepdx 01-11-19 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20742315)
Does anyone know why some of the SA triggers have the text upside down?
Like should I be mounting this underneath on the left side? Is it so people can read it from the front of the bike if its tilted flat?
I've seen it on the old 3 speed ones too and it just seems odd.

They're meant to be mounted "hanging", like this:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7170/6...2495870b_z.jpg
They look better on drop bars or flipped bars, which was more common in that era (50's).

adventurepdx 01-11-19 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20742315)
Does anyone know why some of the SA triggers have the text upside down?

Another pic:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/790/40...4b16d54f_z.jpg

(also, did you see that I PM'd ya, @Buellster ?)

gster 01-11-19 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 20742440)
Another pic:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/790/40...4b16d54f_z.jpg

(also, did you see that I PM'd ya, @Buellster ?)

That's how I set mine up as well. Flat and close to the lever.

markk900 01-11-19 06:32 AM

Re: Triggers: I am sure a lot of you have seen this but for those that haven't here is an excellent reference for all things SA Trigger:

http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/hanc...gersjuly06.pdf

Mark

thumpism 01-11-19 06:50 AM

Shiny!!! Really nice period piece, an Austrian Sears bike that is probably overpriced.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...792076190.html

SEARS road/commuter classic - $299 (Richmond)


https://images.craigslist.org/00f0f_...km_600x450.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/01414_...z4_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_...ka_600x450.jpg

bicycle type: other
condition: like new
frame size: other
make / manufacturer: SEARS
wheel size: other/unknown
Sears Made in Austria bicycle

Steal lugged frame
Original Royce headlight and taillight system/generator
Dual side baskets over rear wheel
Richmond va licence plate
VCU 1975 Bike Registration
3 speed internal rear hub.
Original fenders, pedals, pump
Tires and tubes have been replaced, in great shape no dry-rot.

Great bike for back to school or commuter classic.

Please text or email, or leave a voicemail. Thanks, Dak

BigChief 01-11-19 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20742523)
That's how I set mine up as well. Flat and close to the lever.

This is how I mount mine as well. That's why I prefer the older style with the longer trigger. Apparently, SA was aware of the problem of their triggers getting bent from leaning bikes against walls back in 1939 as they issued this recommendation for "Flick trigger" mounting. They advise mounting them far back on the handlebar to what I consider an inconvenient position. Things got even worse when Raleigh introduced their "light alloy prop stand" in 1954. These are notoriously tippy and today, bent window triggers are common. I think this was the motivation for the short trigger, through body mounting bolt version in the mid 50s. Mine are mounted in the convenient position, but I always use the far more stable alloy ESGE kick stands on my bikes.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e91da1cb51.jpg

gster 01-11-19 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20742635)
This is how I mount mine as well. That's why I prefer the older style with the longer trigger. Apparently, SA was aware of the problem of their triggers getting bent from leaning bikes against walls back in 1939 as they issued this recommendation for "Flick trigger" mounting. They advise mounting them far back on the handlebar to what I consider an inconvenient position. Things got even worse when Raleigh introduced their "light alloy prop stand" in 1954. These are notoriously tippy and today, bent window triggers are common. I think this was the motivation for the short trigger, through body mounting bolt version in the mid 50s. Mine are mounted in the convenient position, but I always use the far more stable alloy ESGE kick stands on my bikes.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e91da1cb51.jpg

Ideally, it should be positioned so that you needn't remove your hand from the grips in order to shift.
At least that's my style.

clubman 01-11-19 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20742315)
Does anyone know why some of the SA triggers have the text upside down?

I thought it was for easier viewing with drop bars.

Buellster 01-11-19 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 20742440)
Another pic:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/790/40...4b16d54f_z.jpg

(also, did you see that I PM'd ya, @Buellster ?)

Now that makes sense! I'm gonna need to move mine to that position and see how it feels.
I did!
Unfortunately, I'm out of town that weekend. Thanks for the invite though! And please let me know the next time one is coming up. I'll feel like I belong now that my old style trigger is back in place Haha

alexander55 01-11-19 10:35 AM

I have had the pleasure of doing Lake Pepin several times. Wonderful event.
I ride my Phillips 3-speed resto/mod up there.
I have a wonderfully original 72 Superbe in my collection as well.

alexander55 01-11-19 10:37 AM

Forgot to add the pictures.. Here’s the Phillips.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...426ecb84f.jpeg

adventurepdx 01-11-19 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20742833)
Now that makes sense! I'm gonna need to move mine to that position and see how it feels.
I did!
Unfortunately, I'm out of town that weekend. Thanks for the invite though! And please let me know the next time one is coming up. I'll feel like I belong now that my old style trigger is back in place Haha

No worries, I will!

dweenk 01-11-19 03:11 PM

Quoted wrong post.

dweenk 01-11-19 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20742539)
Shiny!!! Really nice period piece, an Austrian Sears bike that is probably overpriced.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...792076190.html

SEARS road/commuter classic - $299 (Richmond)


https://images.craigslist.org/00f0f_...km_600x450.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/01414_...z4_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_...ka_600x450.jpg

bicycle type: other
condition: like new
frame size: other
make / manufacturer: SEARS
wheel size: other/unknown
Sears Made in Austria bicycle

Steal lugged frame
Original Royce headlight and taillight system/generator
Dual side baskets over rear wheel
Richmond va licence plate
VCU 1975 Bike Registration
3 speed internal rear hub.
Original fenders, pedals, pump
Tires and tubes have been replaced, in great shape no dry-rot.

Great bike for back to school or commuter classic.

Please text or email, or leave a voicemail. Thanks, Dak

Way, way too pricey although it is a nice example.


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