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rhm 09-26-12 11:55 AM

Translation:

My annoying housemate is out of town until Sept 28.

gna 09-26-12 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Seems expensive to me, but I don't know the market there. Can't see the reaction arm, but I'm assuming coaster brake. I'd pass or replace if it was a TCW.

I was offered a Colt for $50 but passed on it, as I didn't have room for it. I wish I would have got it; I'd give it to my nephew.

Turbo231 09-26-12 06:27 PM

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This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.

http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r1.jpg
The paint is what got my attention...Dark Metallic Blue? Nice.
http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r2.jpg

rudypyatt 09-27-12 05:04 PM

Mods, feel free to move this one. I have other things that have call on my $ at the moment, :(but it this looks like it should go to a good home:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Raleigh...80741413764%26

Mind you, I could probably ride there from Brooklyn :cry:

wahoonc 09-27-12 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Way over market value. $100-$125 would be closer to the mark.

I got Colt's three of them, but they are all step through frames for my petite bride. For some reason I only have pictures of two of them.

Aaron :)

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/48...500x500Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/41...500x500Q85.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo231 (Post 14778295)
This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.


The paint is what got my attention...Dark Metallic Blue? Nice.

Nice color indeed. I'm working on a Ladies 21" Silver Nottingham-built Sports right now. My wife, at a shade under 5'2", took one look at it and said it was too big and that she wouldn't ride it. Found her a 19" Metallic Blue Sports that was in great shape, pirated the B-72 on it for an LTD-3 of my own and got her a Honey B-66. She's a happy camper and I am hoping the old Silver girl will be something one of my 5'4" daughters will lust after....

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 03:57 PM

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Note the difference in the top bars on the two 21" Ladies Sports; Silver one below is Nottingham-built.

I like the Blue head tubes on these years and maybe one of our resident experts can allow which years the Sports [and other model Raleighs] came with them.

Also be kinda nice to know what the common parlance is for the type of chainguard on this Silver bike....

PalmettoUpstate 09-28-12 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 14774918)
Haven't seen many raleigh colt's talked about in here, this is too rich for my blood but maybe someone in socal???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...294465726.html

Nice little bike but he's WAYYYY overpriced IMO. There was a nice RED Colt in Corvallis a couple of days ago with an asking price of $100.

Yeah, here it is: http://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/3269735615.html

From the LA ad for the Colt:
"and is a very fast bike! I can get it to 35mph in third gear."

Could be so I guess. I have a 23" Sports with 46/17 gearing and it might hit 35 on the flat if I really wanted to grunt. We've been having a Nirvana September down here and I did take that bike out for a blast ride last evening and may do the same shortly. Have no speedo or computer on it to check the speed yet but with the 17 cog it does get right down the road in 3rd...

clubman 09-28-12 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo231 (Post 14778295)
This one has crossed my path, probably won't keep it long as she's really big for a ladies bike. 21" frame 26" wheel Raleigh Sports, hub dates to 1984 as its a SA AW hub, assembled in Canada. Appears to be a barn find as it has some very spotty rust of just sitting inside. I never see bikes this clean usually, someone loved it. Raleigh of England, but made in Canada. Wheels were made in the US. If it were a men's I'd really think of keeping it.

http://www.butchthecat.com/butch/r1.jpg

I rode that same bike around Montreal for 3 weeks during the Quebec Referendum in '95. Notice the alloy crankset and stem (SR I think). The chrome plating was terrible but the geometry was still the same. The last generation of the breed in North America.

yellowbarber 09-29-12 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by rudypyatt (Post 14781838)
Mods, feel free to move this one. I have other things that have call on my $ at the moment,

:(but it this looks like it should go to a good home:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Raleigh...80741413764%26

Mind you, I could probably ride there from Brooklyn :cry:

I go on picks and ride with the owner of this Lenton, and yes, it does need to go to a good home.
Would have been mine, but it's too short.
And yes, you could ride from Brooklyn - for the ride at the very least. I love the trip up the west side & over the Geo. Washington Bridge (12 miles door to door from my place near 14th & 8av)

rhm 09-29-12 06:55 PM

$600 is crazy talk for a Lenton Convertible. It's a garden variety Raleigh Sports frame with chrome fenders (missing from this one), drop bars, and a Cyclo Benelux two speed derailleur setup. Oh, and it has 26 x 1 1/4 wheels. Parted out, it would net you maybe $200. Intact, well, I dunno. But this one is not intact. Were it mine, I could not ask for more than $250 with a clear conscience, and I have to say my conscience is not nearly as well developed as my legs.

Velognome 09-29-12 07:50 PM

Sure anywhere else you cold sell it for $200, but this in Brooklyn...shesh :rolleyes:

yellowbarber 09-29-12 10:55 PM

I know, I'm with you guys. But I know the guy and I see the bike & I just keep my mouth shut about it.

I have a circa 1900 French violin that I play & have offered it for sale for $3,500. But I wouldn't be surprised if after having a proper providence/condition assessment made it turned out to be worth about what I originally paid(stupid cheap IMHO) for it.

speaking of ridiculous asking prices, check this insanity out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-VINTAGE-...item23224df554

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARCH...item257532e4ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COLU...item257553b724

I think the guy has been watching too much 'Storage Wars' & 'Pawn Stars'

rudypyatt 09-29-12 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14787169)
I go on picks and ride with the owner of this Lenton, and yes, it does need to go to a good home.
Would have been mine, but it's too short.
And yes, you could ride from Brooklyn - for the ride at the very least. I love the trip up the west side & over the Geo. Washington Bridge (12 miles door to door from my place near 14th & 8av)

I came close to crossing the GWB tonight, actually, from Brooklyn Heights and up the Westside Greenway. Got to 181st Street and decided to come home. Some of those hills in Upper Manhattan are interesting on a single speed, hence my need for another old school 3-speed (Schwinn Speedster was murdered by a Mack truck, I wasn't home at the time).

'gnome, you have a point. But you can hardly look around without seeing an old Sports, Rudge, Schwinn, etc., etc., AW locked up around here! Brooklyn knows that "three is enough."

SirMike1983 09-30-12 11:04 AM

It's all over the place on ebay. Check out BBCBikes offerings on there and you'll see what I mean.


Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 14789241)
I know, I'm with you guys. But I know the guy and I see the bike & I just keep my mouth shut about it.

I have a circa 1900 French violin that I play & have offered it for sale for $3,500. But I wouldn't be surprised if after having a proper providence/condition assessment made it turned out to be worth about what I originally paid(stupid cheap IMHO) for it.

speaking of ridiculous asking prices, check this insanity out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-VINTAGE-...item23224df554

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARCH...item257532e4ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COLU...item257553b724

I think the guy has been watching too much 'Storage Wars' & 'Pawn Stars'


smontanaro 10-01-12 07:18 AM

On a whim I picked up this NOS Suntour three-speed hub from eBay. ISTR someone saying they were more-or-less S-A clones (perhaps even made under license). Any recommendations about interesting uses for it? I have a couple Schwinns, at least one of which needs its hub cracked open and messed with (ummm... make that refurbished), so building a wheel to replace it is a (mundane) possibility. For now it will sit on the shelf awaiting inspiration.

rhm 10-01-12 08:54 AM

I've never actually seen a Suntour hub. If (as I have heard) they were made by Suntour under license, I would expect the quality to be outstanding. On the other hand, I have also heard that they were made for Suntour by Sturmey Archer at the Nottingham plant; if that's the case, there would be nothing special about them. So I don't know.

politicalgeek 10-02-12 04:29 AM

Waiting for the LBS to call...

Dropped my 60s AMF Hercules off Friday. New wheel set going on, 650b with a new SA dynamo/drum up front and a NOS SA AW in the rear. New fenders and tune up. It was entertaining giving the store clerk an education. I had to remind him that the bottom bracket and head set had ball bearings. He was asking the brand so he could ID in the shop computer...I told him it shouldn't be hard, it's easily the oldest bike they have in the shop.

PalmettoUpstate 10-07-12 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by criscoshoes (Post 11800828)
My 1962 Raleigh Gran Sport that I recently converted to 3 speed. Hi-ten frame, running a Sturmey Archer SRF3 and modern components.

Originally, a racing bike: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...ran-sport.html. Rides nicely as a around-the-town bicycle!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179267http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=179268

Hi, I tried to PM you but it didn't seem to take.

If you're still out there on the forum I'd appreciate some info on the brakes that you have on this conversion.

Lemme know; thanks!

PalmettoUpstate 10-11-12 08:27 AM

What dat?

BROOKLYN CRUISER

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/3323000670.html

Amesja 10-11-12 09:34 AM

I just found a Suntour hub on a LTD-3 I was stripping out to rebuild. The shell is absolutely a thing of beauty with bright well-done chrome and bold, perfect engraving. There is no date stamp though so that is too bad -although as an aftermarket replacement it wouldn't help date the bike anyhow.

The hub has no oiler so I'm assuming it is a grease hub and not oil-bath. It seems to be working like new as I rode it last spring at a tweed ride without so much as a click out of place and it purred like a kitten. I didn't even realize it wasn't a SA unit until I wiped the gummy goo off of the shell to try and date it and found something other than what I was expecting. The SunTour name was covered up by a sticker that said TCD and that really confused me until someone on here pointed it out that it was a SunTour.

One of these days, when I have some time, I'll pull it apart and see what it looks like from the inside. But from the outside it is identical other than the engraving, better chrome, and the lack of the oiler. it fooled me Even the shape of the shell is an exact copy unlike many of the Styria hubs.

adventurepdx 10-11-12 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 14829916)

Interesting. Nice looking bikes. In the same vein, there is Bowery Lane Bicycles, also in NYC. But they actually build their bikes in New York, vs Brooklyn Cruiser who gets them from Taiwan or China.
http://bowerylanebicycles.com/bicycles.html

And this guy in Detroit says he's going to make bikes in the factory he just bought. They'll be three speeds that retail for around $500. The article is lacking in specifics, though, so it will be interesting to see how things develop.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1666227.html

(And I just noticed when I checked this post in preview, what came up as the ads on the sidebar? Brooklyn Cruiser. Ah, internet.)

SirMike1983 10-11-12 05:31 PM

I sort of like the Raleigh Denmark line up more than the Electras and other stuff I've seen here in the US. Pashley is nice too, but really costly.

http://www.raleighbikes.dk/site/tourist_index.html

http://www.raleighbikes.dk/image/950...uxe_brooks.jpg

http://www.raleighbikes.dk/site/tourist_tdl_herre.html

http://www.raleighbikes.dk/image/950...port_herre.jpg

PalmettoUpstate 10-14-12 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 14832062)
I sort of like the Raleigh Denmark line up more than the Electras and other stuff I've seen here in the US. Pashley is nice too, but really costly.

http://www.raleighbikes.dk/site/tourist_index.html



http://www.raleighbikes.dk/site/tourist_tdl_herre.html

Interesting. Are all these made in Denmark?

PalmettoUpstate 10-14-12 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 14830983)
Interesting. Nice looking bikes. In the same vein, there is Bowery Lane Bicycles, also in NYC. But they actually build their bikes in New York, vs Brooklyn Cruiser who gets them from Taiwan or China.
http://bowerylanebicycles.com/bicycles.html

And this guy in Detroit says he's going to make bikes in the factory he just bought. They'll be three speeds that retail for around $500. The article is lacking in specifics, though, so it will be interesting to see how things develop.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1666227.html

(And I just noticed when I checked this post in preview, what came up as the ads on the sidebar? Brooklyn Cruiser. Ah, internet.)

So it looks like Zak will be building a domestic USA, updated, version of the immortal English 3-speed.

Hope he does well with them!

PalmettoUpstate 10-14-12 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 12710098)

I have now got my bike for my own copy of your "project", an 80's Bridgestone Kabuki Super Speed 12, and it looks a lot like your Lambert. This fine old butted frame steel bike will be made into a 3-speed too and I was wondering what your rear cog and chain ring sizes are and what recommendations you might have about same.

jrecoi 10-14-12 06:29 PM

Fitting an aftermarket Yellow Jersey chaincase on my Raleigh Sports, one of the Chinese ones, excellent paint, generally nice quality. These are not designed to fit onto a chaincase boss old Raleghs had. In order to mount it onto a Raleigh Sports with a chaincase boss, I had to modify some of the mounting hardware to fit the rear part, and then by carefully aligning the hole for the bottom bracket to be concentric with the bottom bracket, mark out where to drill the chaincase hole with a ball peen hammer. At the moment that is where I am, as I still have to get a 1/4" SAE tap for the pre-existing hole, and the bolt to fit.

Test-fitting, I'm having trouble keeping the pie plate that covers the chainring to stay on the chaincase. I'm wondering if applying some silicone or loctite on the plate would do the trick, or if there is some alternative way.

Fenway 10-14-12 07:27 PM

Lightly sanding the inside edge of the chaincase should allow the cover to pop in.

jamesj 10-17-12 10:24 AM

question for all the other 3 speed gurus!!

So every time I pull my rear wheel out and put it back in the bearings always seem to tighten up, I took it to the local bike shop and they got it adjusted for me. Then I had to install some fenders pulled it out and it tightened again. so I started to inspect the wheel and I noticed the drive side nut was lose, Im thinking this is what was making the bearings bind up which is not a good thing, im not able to turn the drive side cone with just my fingers so it it probally tight. is it supposed to be like that?

As for the non drive side it was nice and snug. What do I do to get this working correctly? I haven't done a bearing adjustment on a 3 speed hub before.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...r/rearhub1.jpg

non drive side.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...r/rearhub2.jpg

noglider 10-17-12 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 14830168)
I just found a Suntour hub on a LTD-3 I was stripping out to rebuild. The shell is absolutely a thing of beauty with bright well-done chrome and bold, perfect engraving. There is no date stamp though so that is too bad -although as an aftermarket replacement it wouldn't help date the bike anyhow.

The hub has no oiler so I'm assuming it is a grease hub and not oil-bath. It seems to be working like new as I rode it last spring at a tweed ride without so much as a click out of place and it purred like a kitten. I didn't even realize it wasn't a SA unit until I wiped the gummy goo off of the shell to try and date it and found something other than what I was expecting. The SunTour name was covered up by a sticker that said TCD and that really confused me until someone on here pointed it out that it was a SunTour.

One of these days, when I have some time, I'll pull it apart and see what it looks like from the inside. But from the outside it is identical other than the engraving, better chrome, and the lack of the oiler. it fooled me Even the shape of the shell is an exact copy unlike many of the Styria hubs.

The basic design will be the same as a SA AW. The dimensions also might be the same, making all the parts interchangeable with SA parts.

The lack of an oil port doesn't mean it's supposed to be lubricated with grease. You can drop oil inside the axle. In fact, I think you should.


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