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Number_6 01-04-15 05:09 PM

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Bought it yesterday 2013 instead of 2012 though. I like it, I think it's an honest attempt at a 21st century Tourist- "Dutch" notwithstanding.

noglider 01-04-15 05:13 PM

Ooh, very nice! That front fender needs a flap, as it doesn't come down very far. Please give us your ride impressions. And what does it weigh?

Number_6 01-04-15 05:14 PM

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gna 01-04-15 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Number_6 (Post 17441175)
@noglider

Bought it yesterday 2015 instead of 2012 though. I like it, I think it's an honest attempt at a 21st century Tourist- "Dutch" notwithstanding.

Looks really nice. Chaincases really help keep your chain clean. Agree with noglider, front fender doesn't quite come down far enough.

Number_6 01-04-15 05:34 PM

Yes the fenders are on the short side, so flaps are a fine suggestion. The weight is about 34.5 lbs,

Thanks to the weather the riding's been pretty limited. I rode for about 10 minutes on the test ride yesterday around a vast parking lot- lots of rain later. I took it today around town, but the dropping temps and a 10 kt. wind made this pretty unfavorable for anything long. Compared to the older stuff it's light- not cheap. no clunkiness. Quick, rides nice and smooth relaxed. I really like the Nexus and coaster brake combo. I know a front brake ia nice safety addition, but I like the simplicity of one cable. I'll have more when I can get longer times in. The saddle so far, feels great.

Do ask on anything else.

The 2013 listed for $719- the clearance price was $435. there were two in stock- I got the XL 23"- which feels more like 24".

Velocivixen 01-04-15 06:52 PM

Just an update for those interested. I have an appt. with the seller of the Phillips with the 3 Speed SA Dyno hub on Tuesday. Still not sure I really want to take this on. On a nicer point, one of the mechanics at my LBS is going to give me his personal cotter press - he got it from an old bike shop & rarely uses it. I told him that I don't own any bikes, yet, with cottered cranks and he quickly quipped, "You will!"

Here's the link again: Vintage PHILLIPS Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Touring Bicycle Bike ENGLAND

markk900 01-04-15 07:49 PM

Phillips or not you *must* get a 3 speed now.....that's karma!

arex 01-04-15 08:02 PM

Does that Felt really have a disclaimer sticker on the top tube?

Velocivixen 01-04-15 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 17441535)
Phillips or not you *must* get a 3 speed now.....that's karma!

You mean that someone's giving me a cotter press? Yeah, right....no kidding. That's such a sweet gesture. I'm a regular customer there & I think they appreciate that I'm learning about bicycles. Sometimes I end up revealing some obscure factoid to them.

Number_6 01-04-15 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 17441568)
Does that Felt really have a disclaimer sticker on the top tube?

Yes! Two! One telling us it's not suitable for riders under 12, and another so that we know to read the owner's manual before operating.

I'd like to take them off, is it against Federal law or something? Would the NSA know?

If anyone wants new and isn't as tall as me, they have a 21 incher men's left....

Number_6 01-04-15 08:55 PM

@Velocivixen. I don't think you'll get in over your head at all. The Speedster went quite well, and will help me go faster on the Raleighs. Your only variable would be the gen hub, and I don't think it's brain surgery or rocket science or both combined. If you get weary of it, my LBS did a tuneup on my '74 Suburban for $60 (no parts needed)- the reason I did that was get a "ground zero" feel for an old bike after having not been on one for so long.

Disclaimer: I regularly fool with a '64 Karmann Ghia and a '69 GMC 3/4 ton.

Velocivixen 01-04-15 10:55 PM

@Number_6 - thanks for your encouragement. I hesitation is that, as one who's still finding out what exactly I like to ride, I know I'd love this bike as a "project" to stimulate my mind. However once I'd get it done, then what? What if I didn't like to ride it? Obviously I could sell it, but not likely before spring. And who would buy it? I live in a "hot" bike market and it can get crazy. Only a certain type would buy a bike like that. I guess the trick is not to spend much $$ on it, so I could at least break even. Or would maybe have to take a loss, but be happy for the experience. So....that's what I'm thinking about.

Number_6 01-05-15 01:56 AM

@Velocivixen I've found out for myself over the past few months it's not so much the kind of bicycle I like to ride, as it is the experience I want- and the type of bike determines that experience I've got a titanium Moto bag o' tricks for when I have the need to go fast. If I take a notion to go tour and camp for a few days, there's the Catrike (also for when i get to be an old man).

When I got the Super Sport and Suburban last fall, things came back to me and it wasn't just nostalgia. As a kid, when I got tired of the house I'd run out the back door to the patio, hop on my bike and take off down the driveway. Usually I had no idea on God's green earth where I'd be going- friends house? Movies? Corner store? Downtown? A park? I just got out with whatever I was wearing and went as quick as I got the idea. No clipless pedals, bike shorts, helmets, water bottles or jersey. no protracted prep time at all- I just went and I was free. So I'd ride and sightsee, learn the world around me, meet people, hang out with friends. As a friend of mine said- and I believe I've said somewhere on these forums- "we lived on our bikes". There would be a gaggle of us out riding, just running around- the only contest was who could go down the hill the fastest. It really was a lifestyle, I reckon. That experience is not the only one I like on a bike, but it is the one that suits me most often. Most of the time, it is the relaxation as well as the freedom a bicycle can offer I appreciate the most.

So, these old tourers suit me well. I can be slow, a little lazy on them and enjoy what's around me. On a quiet, somewhat level lane around here. I can watch the horses try to eat the fence boards. Ride along the Ohio anyplace from Pittsburgh to Paducah. Rail trails up in the Ohio flatlands, Go to Old Louisville and examine the Victoriana- great for 3-speeds. If there's a lot of hills, I can get the Suburban or the Sirrus. In fact I'm "tourerizing" the Sirrus with upright bars (more comfortable than those flat bars that numb and pain me) and fenders.

Now when I buy something, I can buy it to keep- I know it'll help me do what I want to do. I may overpay or find a steal- but I know there will be enjoyment- that's what's important.

It's great that others ride personal bests, or play in the mud for their raison d'ete. I'm just speaking for myself.

I just found it's what I want to do on a bicycle that determines what machine(s) I'll favor most. So what does anyone else like to do? And what bike would that be?

auchencrow 01-05-15 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17441997)
@Number_6 - thanks for your encouragement. I hesitation is that, as one who's still finding out what exactly I like to ride, I know I'd love this bike as a "project" to stimulate my mind. However once I'd get it done, then what? What if I didn't like to ride it? Obviously I could sell it, but not likely before spring. And who would buy it? I live in a "hot" bike market and it can get crazy. Only a certain type would buy a bike like that. I guess the trick is not to spend much $$ on it, so I could at least break even. Or would maybe have to take a loss, but be happy for the experience. So....that's what I'm thinking about.

VV - Not everyone has a narrow focus on what they like to ride. My own tastes in bikes are about as eclectic as they are in music - and similarly, riding my old 3-speeds puts a smile on my face as much as any of my road bikes or my winter rider.
So you can happily ride this '55 Phillips and a DeRosa too.
The example you show appears to have all the original bits too, right down to the OEM bell, and is wonderfully patinaed as to show its age and character. (like me ;))

sykerocker 01-05-15 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Number_6 (Post 17442186)
@Velocivixen I've found out for myself over the past few months it's not so much the kind of bicycle I like to ride, as it is the experience I want- and the type of bike determines that experience I've got a titanium Moto bag o' tricks for when I have the need to go fast. If I take a notion to go tour and camp for a few days, there's the Catrike (also for when i get to be an old man).

When I got the Super Sport and Suburban last fall, things came back to me and it wasn't just nostalgia. As a kid, when I got tired of the house I'd run out the back door to the patio, hop on my bike and take off down the driveway. Usually I had no idea on God's green earth where I'd be going- friends house? Movies? Corner store? Downtown? A park? I just got out with whatever I was wearing and went as quick as I got the idea. No clipless pedals, bike shorts, helmets, water bottles or jersey. no protracted prep time at all- I just went and I was free. So I'd ride and sightsee, learn the world around me, meet people, hang out with friends. As a friend of mine said- and I believe I've said somewhere on these forums- "we lived on our bikes". There would be a gaggle of us out riding, just running around- the only contest was who could go down the hill the fastest. It really was a lifestyle, I reckon. That experience is not the only one I like on a bike, but it is the one that suits me most often. Most of the time, it is the relaxation as well as the freedom a bicycle can offer I appreciate the most.

So, these old tourers suit me well. I can be slow, a little lazy on them and enjoy what's around me. On a quiet, somewhat level lane around here. I can watch the horses try to eat the fence boards. Ride along the Ohio anyplace from Pittsburgh to Paducah. Rail trails up in the Ohio flatlands, Go to Old Louisville and examine the Victoriana- great for 3-speeds. If there's a lot of hills, I can get the Suburban or the Sirrus. In fact I'm "tourerizing" the Sirrus with upright bars (more comfortable than those flat bars that numb and pain me) and fenders.

Now when I buy something, I can buy it to keep- I know it'll help me do what I want to do. I may overpay or find a steal- but I know I'll there will be enjoyment- that's what's important.

It's great that others ride personal bests, or play in the mud for their raison d'ete. I'm just speaking for myself.

I just found it's what I want to do on a bicycle that determines what machine(s) I'll favor most. So what does anyone else like to do? And what bike would that be?

Very nicely put. Your experience and desires are very close to mine, at the present.

It's ten years now since I got back on a bicycle, and over the course of the past year I: 1. Sold off all my modern derailleur road bikes (anything that used brifters), 2. Sold off all my mountain bikes and let my trail system go back to nature. 3. Cut my road collection to the seven bikes that I realized were irreplacable to me. 4. Have limited my shop work to roadsters and folding bikes. 5. 95% of my non-Sunday morning rides with Poguemahone are now done on an IGH bike in whatever I'm wearing at the moment I decide to go riding.

My DL-1 Tourist has become my main ride. Second choice is my Montague folder, which I keep at work for daily bank runs for the shop and lunch time errands. Of the derailleur road bikes, the Magneet (my long-haul tourer) gets the majority of my riding. And there's one hell of a wardrobe of cycling clothing that's gathering dust in the closet.

At present, I've got three unfinished projects: A third Rossin frame, scheduled for C-Record, once I find all the pieces; a '79 PX-10 to be built to original, and a '69 Raleigh Sprite. Guess which one is going to get done first? And the other two may not get done at all before 2016.

Salubrious 01-05-15 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17441412)
Just an update for those interested. I have an appt. with the seller of the Phillips with the 3 Speed SA Dyno hub on Tuesday. Still not sure I really want to take this on. On a nicer point, one of the mechanics at my LBS is going to give me his personal cotter press - he got it from an old bike shop & rarely uses it. I told him that I don't own any bikes, yet, with cottered cranks and he quickly quipped, "You will!"

Here's the link again: Vintage PHILLIPS Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Touring Bicycle Bike ENGLAND

There are several things about this machine that make it a good deal. For one thing its nearly complete. For another, that rear hub is a valuable part- and they go for good money on ebay. You have the original bell, which is really unusual to see. The shifter is correct and rare. Shifters of this type go for good money as well. The crank is charming. It appears that the chrome on the handlebars is peeling, but they are easily replaced- I know where are two sets are right now for no more than $5.00 each. If this frame fits you, this is an excellent candidate for sorting out what the British 3-speed experience is all about- and the ticket to adventure, as going on a club-style ride with such a steed is a lot of fun. I know there are 3-speed tours in your area; the best known in our neck of the woods is the Lake Pepin tour The Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour

I found out about the tour and it was the impetuous to get a 3-speed of my own. I had plenty of time to sort the bike out before the ride; but I find that I ride this bike more than any other as it is very handy.

Velocivixen 01-05-15 12:13 PM

Hey All, great perspective here. I'm picking up my, new to me, Park Tool cotter press today and seeing the bike tomorrow. It will have to fit me for sure, because I plan to ride it. As I mentioned earlier, the seller said it was literally a "barn find" and he just wiped down the frame.

Ill keep eel you all posted. To @auchencrow - yes, I'm learning to embrace my "patina" ;)

michael k 01-05-15 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17441412)
I told him that I don't own any bikes, yet, with cottered cranks and he quickly quipped, "You will!"

I had to chuckle, I may know them... or they have an Identical twinn. :)

Velocivixen 01-05-15 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by michael k (Post 17443283)
I had to chuckle, I may know them... or they have an Identical twinn. :)

Hey @michael k - it was the Bike Gallery in Beaverton. Know anyone there?

michael k 01-06-15 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17444352)
Hey @michael k - it was the Bike Gallery in Beaverton. Know anyone there?

Nah,fraid not. But thats really cool of them! Also somewhat impressed someone had a cotter press. :)

noglider 01-06-15 12:45 PM

You should take it as a high compliment that they're giving you their cotter press.

Velocivixen 01-06-15 04:20 PM

Update: I saw & rode the bike. Brake pads original & stopping was non existent so ride was short. The red paint will never be "red" - more of a dried blood brown red. Pedals are actually black & say Phillips on them. Lowest seller will go is $100. Sounds like that's a good deal for this type of bike. It fits, and I'm certain it would be a learning experience, but it's .....I'm not sure. I'd love it as a project but what if I bought it, replaced consumables then didn't like it? Could I sell it? This is a hot, competitive market in bike selling season. So I'm not sure what I'll decide.
@noglider- it was the mechanic's own personal cotter press that he's had & never uses. To me that makes it extra special.

noglider 01-06-15 04:28 PM

I can't believe you're deliberating over this. It's hard enough to find a 70's Raleigh Sports for $150. You're looking at an ultra-cool pre-Raleigh Philips that needs brake pads, and you're hesitating? Hurry back to the seller and apologize for taking his time and buy the bike.

If you fix it up and don't like it, you've gathered some skills and knowledge, and you know you can sell it at no loss or even a profit. Even if you kept it as a garage queen, it's a great conversation piece for those who visit your garage.

dweenk 01-06-15 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17446942)
Update: I saw & rode the bike. Brake pads original & stopping was non existent so ride was short. The red paint will never be "red" - more of a dried blood brown red. Pedals are actually black & say Phillips on them. Lowest seller will go is $100. Sounds like that's a good deal for this type of bike. It fits, and I'm certain it would be a learning experience, but it's .....I'm not sure. I'd love it as a project but what if I bought it, replaced consumables then didn't like it? Could I sell it? This is a hot, competitive market in bike selling season. So I'm not sure what I'll decide.
@noglider- it was the mechanic's own personal cotter press that he's had & never uses. To me that makes it extra special.

I'm with noglider - you've got to buy that bike. It's got all that is cool about 3-speeds (except maybe rod brakes - let's not go there). If you don't, you should avoid the "3-speed" thread, hang your head in shame, and return the cotter press to the mechanic ASAP. We're talking about your reputation now. No pressure though.;)

markk900 01-06-15 05:03 PM

OK - so @dweenk has thrown the gauntlet - we are all waiting with much anticipation what the result of your visit with Prince Phillips might be....you didn't actually say you bought it but c'mon now - $100!?! That's like what, 2 coffees at Starbucks? You can sell it for that in Portland in no time....ask @adventurepdx

adventurepdx 01-06-15 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 17447035)
You can sell it for that in Portland in no time....ask @adventurepdx

Yep!

Velocivixen 01-06-15 05:10 PM

Wow....okay then. ;) I will keep you posted.

Just sent a text to seller. He's accepted the deal. Arranging pickup. I guess this will be my "winter project".

markk900 01-06-15 05:19 PM

This is either gonna be "best thing that ever happened" or "those b@st@rds on bikeforums did this to me"...either way worth $100.....

Velocivixen 01-06-15 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 17447073)
This is either gonna be "best thing that ever happened" or "those b@st@rds on bikeforums did this to me"...either way worth $100.....

Now that's funny! Made me lough out loud.

I know - I was gonna say that you're all a bunch of enablers. ;) No, but it should be fun. FWIW when I test rode I was lopsided on the saddle & it's NOT my b*tt!

BGBeck 01-06-15 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 17447073)
This is either gonna be "best thing that ever happened" or "those b@st@rds on bikeforums did this to me"...either way worth $100.....

Or she can put the Park press on E-bay to get her money back. :D


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