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nlerner 03-07-18 03:16 PM

I looked through the 1950s Raleigh catalogs I've saved on my computer, and grips seemed to really vary. The 1957 Raleigh Wendy that I passed along to another BF-er some months back had fairly deteriorated bullet-style grips in grey, which I think were original. The site threespeedhub.com has several 1950s Raleigh spare-parts catalogues, some of which list a variety of grips.

clubman 03-07-18 04:03 PM

Late 50's early 60's were bullet style in Canada, I've had a few. Peter Kohler made some sweet repros a number of years back but not enough people ordered them to make it profitable for him, unfortunately. I put them on my 'fixie'. They're bigger and softer than the originals, which I like.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/D5...=w1313-h896-no

nlerner 03-07-18 04:21 PM

There are several eBay sellers in Thailand and Indonesia who are selling repro bullet grips. I think they tend to look too new for old Raleigh rebuilds!

Chaser95 03-07-18 04:59 PM

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Here is a shot of my Sports with a 69 hub date. I can't help on grips because it is too new and some one put Schwinn grips on it. The pedals are not comfortable. Even so I still want to ride it all the time. The Delta Cruisers are nice but I would prefer black. Saddle is a B-72 and more comfortable than I expected as this is my first experience with a leather saddle. Please look it over and tell me what it needs. I am still disassembling the Western Flyer. Trying to label and package the parts so I can clean and repair by function.

BigChief 03-07-18 05:33 PM

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Ah classic! Is that burgundy? Sometimes hard to see color on a computer. The catalogs from that time Sports came with gum wall tires. I have a pair on my 69 Sprite (also burgundy) Looks like the plastic cover on the trigger shifter broke off (very common) Personally, I use the older style shifters on my riders instead of sticking to originality. Same with pedals. If I'm going to spend much time riding, I prefer MKS Sylvan touring pedals to the rubber block originals.

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Chaser95 03-07-18 06:11 PM

Yes burgundy. I have had the bike about a month and I have done nothing to it other than flush and fill the hub and adjust the shift cable. It was an estate bike that did not come with any history.

I now have three AW hubs. All with a month code of 7. Is that just chance or, is that the only month they were made?

nlerner 03-07-18 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Chaser95 (Post 20210555)
I now have three AW hubs. All with a month code of 7. Is that just chance or, is that the only month they were made?

Interesting coincidence. I had one with a month stamp of 13!

BigChief 03-07-18 06:45 PM

It's a beautiful bike and I love the burgundy color. I like the tires. If you want original style grips, I would take the time to search eBay until you found original black DARE grips like these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ral...YAAOSw57xaigV~
You can also by repros from Taiwan but they aren't as nice. I think this bike deserves originals. Black DAREs are what it came with.

BigChief 03-07-18 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Chaser95 (Post 20210435)
Here is a shot of my Sports with a 69 hub date. I can't help on grips because it is too new and some one put Schwinn grips on it. The pedals are not comfortable. Even so I still want to ride it all the time. The Delta Cruisers are nice but I would prefer black. Saddle is a B-72 and more comfortable than I expected as this is my first experience with a leather saddle. Please look it over and tell me what it needs. I am still disassembling the Western Flyer. Trying to label and package the parts so I can clean and repair by function.

This is what the trigger shifter looked like originally.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stu...gAAOSwvApaHHBB
I've never been fond of these. The plastic covers tend to crack and get lost. Besides...they're plastic. I can't help it. Original or not, I would use one of these instead:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Sturmey...cAAOSwFMdafzvg
These mid 60s shifters still have the same key hole joint, so the ball end ferrule on your cable would work. Older shifters need a threaded ferrule.

Chaser95 03-07-18 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20210607)
Interesting coincidence. I had one with a month stamp of 13!

Now that one is a keeper in my book!

Chaser95 03-07-18 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20210682)
This is what the trigger shifter looked like originally.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stu...gAAOSwvApaHHBB
I've never been fond of these. The plastic covers tend to crack and get lost. Besides...they're plastic. I can't help it. Original or not, I would use one of these instead:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Sturmey...cAAOSwFMdafzvg
These mid 60s shifters still have the same key hole joint, so the ball end ferrule on your cable would work. Older shifters need a threaded ferrule.

Yes, it is broken. I thought about using glue but, it seems pointless if it broke once. I will search for a used one or wait for it to find me. Are the Dare grips comfortable?

Your maroon looks great! I thought my shift cable bushing was mounted wrong until I saw yours. So much to learn and pictures are so revealing. Thanks for the kind words about my bike!

BigChief 03-08-18 06:44 AM

People tend to have different preferences toward handlebar grips. I see lots of people on this forum with cork grips on their roadsters. I like the DARE grips. They are a bit fatter than the Schwinn grips you have now. The Raleigh levers/calipers are a bit short of mechanical advantage so there's plenty of room for fatter grips without worrying about using up lever travel. Lots of choices, but for originality it would be black DAREs on a 69 Sports.

ascherer 03-08-18 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20209878)
I think they would look like this, bullet style in white or gray.

That's the style that was on my '66.

noglider 03-08-18 09:08 AM

@Chaser95, I love it.

nlerner 03-08-18 09:20 AM

I really like these Britannia grips. I have a couple of sets, and they've moved around from bike to bike.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/...2f77b57a_c.jpg

Chaser95 03-08-18 12:28 PM

They look very comfortable. I like the way you have the bars set up. I would like to do that to my Lotus road bike.

browngw 03-08-18 03:26 PM

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With a Canadian spring hopefully only a few weeks away, I've finished a lot of my winter projects and started getting "fair weather" bikes ready. I do ride all winter, but on my hard tail MTB and fat bike mostly.
My DL1 "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" is finally getting the pretty Lucas light that has been converted to LED. A friend had bought it a while ago and decided he no longer wanted it. It is paired with a vintage Cat Eye taillight I found in a thrift store. I fabricated a battery pack (3xAAA)which powers both lights, and ended up placing it under the new Brooks B67 I just purchased and installed.
Next step is to install the new salmon Kool Stop brake pads purchased on Amazon.

Chaser95 03-08-18 04:41 PM

Beautiful bike from all angles!

BigChief 03-08-18 05:48 PM

@browngw Wow, I love the way you set up Sir Weighs A Ton. Pure class. What a delight to see. Thanks for posting the pictures.

gster 03-08-18 05:51 PM

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Posted today on Kijiji Toronto
Priced at a hefty $800.00!
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BigChief 03-08-18 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20211319)
I really like these Britannia grips. I have a couple of sets, and they've moved around from bike to bike.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/...2f77b57a_c.jpg

I like the look of these a lot. Reminds me of the old fashioned English Beston grips I have on my Bonneville.

BigChief 03-08-18 06:15 PM

I have a pair of English Sinclair and Rush style 9 in IG2 soft rubber on my 70 DL-1. I like these a lot. The soft rubber is very luxurious feeling. Difficult to find though. Supposedly, they come standard on the Pashley heavy roadsters.
https://www.sinclair-rush.co.uk/cate...-grips-style-9

nlerner 03-08-18 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20212378)
I have a pair of English Sinclair and Rush style 9 in IG2 soft rubber on my 70 DL-1. I like these a lot. The soft rubber is very luxurious feeling. Difficult to find though. Supposedly, they come standard on the Pashley heavy roadsters.
https://www.sinclair-rush.co.uk/cate...-grips-style-9

Those look a lot like Dare grips, but sounds like the material is much softer. I find the Dare grips to be too hard; they make my hands sore after relatively short rides.

BigChief 03-08-18 07:08 PM

They are much softer. They have become my favorite. I originally bought a pair from some guy on eBay. I was just looking for a Dare style grip that didn't say Taiwan across the top for my 70 roadster. He made a fuss about them being used on Pashleys. I was searching eBay "DL1" for chain adjusters and these came up. They are a bit floppy, so I used dish soap to get them on the bars. They fit the Raleigh bars perfectly. They showed up again recently and I bought another pair for my Rudge. These are very nice if you want the traditional look of Dares, but also want a softer more comfy grip.

arty dave 03-08-18 08:12 PM

I'm really happy with the grips I put on my DL-1, a Japanese made copy, OGK brand I think. Edit: they also come in white, brown and dark brown

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4772/...b5a6fe54_z.jpg

I also found the dare grips don't work with my hands, they are probably too hard, I get a vibrationy kinda itchiness. It's a shame the softer compound sinclair-rush style grips aren't available. I'd love to get a pair of the Britannia grips for my Aussie/English Speedwell roadster project - I thought I had a lead on some, but the guy never replied to me. I may go with some of these Rustines (also available in multiple colours), very similar to an advertisement I found for the Speedwell popular roadster: ...has anyone here tried them?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/...dc3559a0_n.jpg

BigChief 03-08-18 08:40 PM

I'm not finding any Britannia grips either. I'd love to try them. Looks like finding great grips is just as tricky as finding a great bike. Or maybe it's just English grips

jamesj 03-08-18 09:33 PM

I really like the shape of those bars!





Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20211319)
I really like these Britannia grips. I have a couple of sets, and they've moved around from bike to bike.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/...2f77b57a_c.jpg


browngw 03-09-18 10:36 AM

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The brakes on the roadster are not confidence inspiring in any way. My new Kool Stop salmon pads have arrived and I am trying to install them (starting with the rear) so they work their best. The old pads were worn to a fairly large angle, yet the new ones are square on the bottom and only the edge touches the rim. Will they wear in? Should I shape them before installation?
The '79 rear chain stay clamps are different (closed like the front) than my similar '77 ones (open). Both bikes appeared to be original and were badly neglected almost causing their demise. Any hints at bettering the performance are welcome.

Salubrious 03-09-18 11:34 AM

Do not shave them down! You can see one really good reason you had poor braking- the old pads were shot.

With the rod brake machines the brake levers on the handlebars are made of soft steel and bend easily. Often they have bent towards the handlebar grips, limiting brake travel. Rod brake machines should have good braking, but if the brake levers are bent they can be scary. To bend them back, you have to grip the hinge mechanism bit on the handlebar that supports the brake lever with one hand to support it so that when you bend the brake lever down away from the handlebars, that hinge mechanism does not break off. This should be checked and adjusted on a routine basis.

BigChief 03-09-18 12:34 PM

One of those pads is facing the wrong way, gotta watch that. They will wear down and conform to the rim quickly, but you want to make sure they land correctly on the rim. The old pads look like they were landing too far out, away from the center. Since the brake stirrups work as return springs, the pads move in toward the center of the rim as they move toward the rim. So you want them to land exactly on the correct place on the rim (in or out) You can adjust this by loosening the bolt holding the guide arm and tapping the guide one way or the other. Up and down on the fork legs on the front or forward and back on the chainstays for the back. The only reason I would dress off any pad material is if one of them is contacting the rim sooner than the other. I do that by holding a strip of emery cloth against the rim, applying light pressure on the lever and pulling the emery cloth through. And +1 about the brake lever travel @Salubrious mentions. I like around 3" of travel from the end of the lever to the grip.


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