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BigChief 07-01-18 04:00 AM

There is also this BBC Raleigh documentary on youtube. I'm not familiar with the various dialects or life in England, so I didn't notice anything odd about the commentary. I suppose it can be easy to think you understand people and their culture when you actually don't.


gster 07-01-18 06:07 AM

Heavy Rotation
These four are my current everyday bikes.
They all have kickstands.
The Superbe with the saddle bag is a Canadian built version.
I'm not sure what the "Made in Canada" sticker actually means.
Were these bikes actually made from scratch or were the pieces
assembled here.
Certainly, the SA hubs etc were shipped as complete units.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...972f6edb7a.jpg

BigChief 07-01-18 06:56 AM

While I've got my parts boxes all apart. There's an interesting scene in that documentary from a movie showing an actor fitting bottom bracket spindles into a purpose built lathe one at a time to cut the bearing surfaces. Notice that spindles from the 1950s are center punched for this operation. By the 1960s, these centers were gone showing that the operation was automated with something I imagine similar to a screw cutting machine and the individual centers were no longer necessary.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c797c02aa4.jpg

Johno59 07-01-18 08:16 AM

Bolt on seatstay
 

Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20422288)
While I've got my parts boxes all apart. There's an interesting scene in that documentary from a movie showing an actor fitting bottom bracket spindles into a purpose built lathe one at a time to cut the bearing surfaces. Notice that spindles from the 1950s are center punched for this operation. By the 1960s, these centers were gone showing that the operation was automated with something I imagine similar to a screw cutting machine and the individual centers were no longer necessary.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c797c02aa4.jpg

One thing you might clarify. The model finished off in the documentary had bolt on seatstays. Obviously no problem there, but I thought bolt on seatstays were phased out in the 1930s. The film's title says 1945. I was under the impression Raleigh frames were completely braised 10-15 years prior to 1945.
The reason I ask is the bolt on provided an easy/fast reference when trying to assess the vintage of a frame being offered up for sale,/discussion/argument.

gster 07-01-18 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20422409)
One thing you might clarify. The model finished off in the documentary had bolt on seatstays. Obviously no problem there, but I thought bolt on seatstays were phased out in the 1930s. The film's title says 1945. I was under the impression Raleigh frames were completely braised 10-15 years prior to 1945.
The reason I ask is the bolt on provided an easy/fast reference when trying to assess the vintage of a frame being offered up for sale,/discussion/argument.

The DL-1 (Tourist) continued with the bolt on stays until the bitter end.

BigChief 07-01-18 08:41 AM

I'm mostly familiar with the post war model roadsters that were exported to the US. The 28" wheeled DL-1 Tourist had the bolt on stays all the way to the end in 1980. The other light roadster models had entirely brazed up frames.
edit:
browsing through the catalogs at VCC, the first 26" light roadster with brazed stays I see was in 1935
VCC 1935

gster 07-01-18 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20422288)
While I've got my parts boxes all apart. There's an interesting scene in that documentary from a movie showing an actor fitting bottom bracket spindles into a purpose built lathe one at a time to cut the bearing surfaces. Notice that spindles from the 1950s are center punched for this operation. By the 1960s, these centers were gone showing that the operation was automated with something I imagine similar to a screw cutting machine and the individual centers were no longer necessary.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c797c02aa4.jpg

Here's Albert Finney making spindles at the Raleigh factory circa 1960
note the centre punch..

BigChief 07-01-18 09:14 AM

Yup, that's him. Cutting those bearing races one at a time.
In that 1935 catalog, what they did was introduce a sports model named Sports and used the same frame in roadster trim called the Sports Roadster. In later years somehow the Sports name continued on the light roadster versions even though they weren't actually sports bikes.

johnnyspaghetti 07-01-18 07:32 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fcbc10a229.jpg
Well, I went ahead and had to get this one for some questionable reason and it is quite nice, well equipped & newer tune in perfect working order. 1958 SW hub I couldn't make the date out on the GH6



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BigChief 07-01-18 09:17 PM

That is gorgeous! There's just something about these pre TI Raleighs that get me. I couldn't resist getting correct pedals and a Brooks saddle for this one. Nice, nice bike.

gster 07-02-18 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20423439)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fcbc10a229.jpg
Well, I went ahead and had to get this one for some questionable reason and it is quite nice, well equipped & newer tune in perfect working order. 1958 SW hub I couldn't make the date out on the GH6



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bbafda50d4.jpg
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Good score! The chrome looks perfect.

gster 07-02-18 05:23 AM

The $700.00 Raleigh
Someone here in Toronto is asking $700.00 for this Canadian built Raleigh.
The ad has been up for a while....
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4cfaa285d4.jpg

BigChief 07-02-18 05:40 AM

@ johnnyspaghetti Just noticed, the brake cables are routed English style. Maybe this bike was brought over privately. The front brake and shifter cables have the original 50s style housings. The rear brake housing is the later fluted type. I really like this bike, good find.

52telecaster 07-02-18 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20423439)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fcbc10a229.jpg
Well, I went ahead and had to get this one for some questionable reason and it is quite nice, well equipped & newer tune in perfect working order. 1958 SW hub I couldn't make the date out on the GH6



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bbafda50d4.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4115354fa8.jpg
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another excellent bike man! You are the king.

Kilroy1988 07-02-18 06:52 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Ral...7f68a#viTabs_0

Seriously, someone make this man an offer! This is definitely a mid to late 1930s Raleigh roadster of some sort, perhaps a safety or a tourist model. It's a 22" frame and that means it's too small for me... What a pity!
-Gregory

(p.s. The seller also has a matching woman's model with a front dynohub.)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65613ae6bc.jpg

browngw 07-02-18 09:42 AM

Canada Day - July 1
 
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Celebrated Canada Day by riding "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" across town to our annual family 1st of July party. This season he is sporting a new Brooks B67 saddle, vintage Lucas Headlamp donated by a friend and a '70s Cat Eye Tail lamp. The lights have been converted to LED and are powered by a battery pack and switch under the saddle.

gster 07-02-18 10:34 AM

Revisiting an Old Friend
I bought this 1964 Eaton's Glider several years ago and turned it into a semi scorcher
with inverted bars. As a result, it's sat there un-ridden most of the time.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b45deeb4b.jpg
A quick re visit today and the bars are back up and it's quite pleasant (for me) to ride.
It may go back into rotation.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d958d1ac53.jpg

Johno59 07-02-18 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20424293)
Celebrated Canada Day by riding "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" across town to our annual family 1st of July party. This season he is sporting a new Brooks B67 saddle, vintage Lucas Headlamp donated by a friend and a '70s Cat Eye Tail lamp. The lights have been converted to LED and are powered by a battery pack and switch under the saddle.

Wow, that is one fine bicycle!

BigChief 07-02-18 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20424397)
Revisiting an Old Friend
I bought this 1964 Eaton's Glider several years ago and turned it into a semi scorcher
with inverted bars. As a result, it's sat there un-ridden most of the time.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b45deeb4b.jpg
A quick re visit today and the bars are back up and it's quite pleasant (for me) to ride.
It may go back into rotation.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d958d1ac53.jpg

I see you changed the stem too. Looks like a good 2 extra inches of reach.

BigChief 07-02-18 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20424293)
Celebrated Canada Day by riding "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" across town to our annual family 1st of July party. This season he is sporting a new Brooks B67 saddle, vintage Lucas Headlamp donated by a friend and a '70s Cat Eye Tail lamp. The lights have been converted to LED and are powered by a battery pack and switch under the saddle.

What a beautiful roadster. Very well set up and outfitted. Pure class all around. The lights fit perfectly.

SirMike1983 07-02-18 07:54 PM

The 4th of July is coming up. I've been riding American-made Schwinn 3-speeds from the 1940s. This black New World and the blue Continental are both from 1947.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L5tJ2DOFF...627_201657.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OV6ApuEHL...630_180550.jpg

DQRider 07-02-18 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20424293)
Celebrated Canada Day by riding "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" across town to our annual family 1st of July party. This season he is sporting a new Brooks B67 saddle, vintage Lucas Headlamp donated by a friend and a '70s Cat Eye Tail lamp. The lights have been converted to LED and are powered by a battery pack and switch under the saddle.

Sir Wayes A. Tonne is looking better than ever, and those are extraordinary photographs. :thumb:

I'd like to read more about the LED conversions. But the burning question in my mind is: what camera are you using? The resolution is astounding!

.

browngw 07-02-18 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20425726)
Sir Wayes A. Tonne is looking better than ever, and those are extraordinary photographs. :thumb:

I'd like to read more about the LED conversions. But the burning question in my mind is: what camera are you using? The resolution is astounding!

.

Thanks for the kind words. I was about to say I took the shots with my cherished Sony NEX ILC and realized I actually used my Fuji Film XP Water /Shock/Dust Freeze Proof that I often carry in the bike. With decent lighting, it is capable of some good shots.

johnnyspaghetti 07-02-18 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20423842)
@ johnnyspaghetti Just noticed, the brake cables are routed English style. Maybe this bike was brought over privately. The front brake and shifter cables have the original 50s style housings. The rear brake housing is the later fluted type. I really like this bike, good find.

They are routed "English style" or the wrong side to be "American style". This is true. I didn't know what to think. They still work the same. Easy enough to switch around, but should I ? The rear cable is a fluted cable so it has been replaced. The others are smoothies.
If you recall I parts out one of these 1958 step thru Robin Hood Sports and have all parts whether or not the cables are the same I'll have dig and look. I gave that frame to my friend Jolio and he made a lamp out of it.
I can deal with left side rear, learned quickly but I am use to having the dog leash on the right & using rear on the right brake..I almost switched them around I'll wait. The dog (Penny the poodle) trots on the right side only.
I am not privy to the origins of this bike. I will find out more.

Johno59 07-03-18 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 20425726)
Sir Wayes A. Tonne is looking better than ever, and those are extraordinary photographs. :thumb:

I'd like to read more about the LED conversions. But the burning question in my mind is: what camera are you using? The resolution is astounding!

.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a8f57c3c03.jpg

For the LED conversion they recommend to mount the regulator btw the two poles on the dynohub itself. On my daughter's 1948 I put the regulator in the lamp housing itself. There's plenty of room for a reg and a battery if no dynohub.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57a0cb81df.jpg

Have always found the 'Lightweight' tag somewhat ironic - especially when considering how short and diminutive the average malnourished Brit was before WW2. However I've been riding my 1934 touring 'tank' with full panniers and rode this today and fair whipped along.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b82b710a8a.jpg

Can't have enough horseshoes in your life.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...15359db6f1.jpg

Must be the '''No weight - Cellulose\" mudguards that make all the difference.

BigChief 07-03-18 05:36 AM

This site sells LED conversions for both Dynohub and battery lights. The Rudge I'm working on now is my first Dynohub, so I've been doing some research.
LED

Johno59 07-03-18 07:28 AM

Regulator
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...102df7cb98.jpg
I got mine from the site Big Chief linked in his post. It was pretty straight forward. The LED bulb screwed into the 74 year old mount (make sure you get the correct bulb base that is currently in your lamp.) As I said earlier, I put the regulator in the lamp housing. There is enough room in thete for ten, so no worries.

The only thing is both of my set-ups flicker. With the Dyno hub the faster you go the quicker the pulse. Back in the day the filament bulb got brighter the faster you went. I'm fine with that as I believe a flashing light is more visible to lunatic drivers - especially so during the daytime.
The site highlights all these trials and tribulations and provides meanful solutions.

Ballenxj 07-03-18 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20426021)
This site sells LED conversions for both Dynohub and battery lights. The Rudge I'm working on now is my first Dynohub, so I've been doing some research.
LED

Oh BOY! Yet another Rabbit Hole to go down. I have to read through that sites products thoroughly. Thanks for the link,( I think). ;)

johnnyspaghetti 07-03-18 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by 52telecaster (Post 20423942)
another excellent bike man! You are the king.

I shelled out $100 American. He asked $150. Thats hard on the budget but I could get more than that for the front wheel. Its a complete unit.

johnnyspaghetti 07-03-18 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20423827)
The $700.00 Raleigh
Someone here in Toronto is asking $700.00 for this Canadian built Raleigh.
The ad has been up for a while....
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4cfaa285d4.jpg

Very nice but too new & way way too expensive.


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