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3speedslow 03-21-19 05:12 PM

@Chr0m0ly

What are your plans for that wonderful folder?

Dan Burkhart 03-21-19 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20849165)


HA! You havenít met me yet then!

ive seen videos where people clamp a shell into a vise and hammer/ punch it open. They used heavy rubber pads to grip it. Any other suggestions? I will be taking the plastic Oiler off just in case. Wish this hub was still built up in a wheel!

anybody stuffed an SA works inside one of these shells?

I have done it by putting a couple of old spokes in some of the spoke holes, clamping the spokes in a vise and resting the flange on a piece of wood to protect it, and with the spokes holding the shell against rotation, go to town with a hammer and punch.
New hubs that have not had the ball ring torqued by riding it don't need to be held in place I have found.

3speedslow 03-21-19 05:14 PM

Thanks^^

Dan Burkhart 03-22-19 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20849179)
Thanks^^

I shot a video clip showing how I did it a few years back. I have done it since by modifying the procedure a bit. Putting two or more spokes on one side of the flange to resist rotation and resting the shell on a block of wood works a bit better than the way I did it in the video, but both methods work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBcp...ature=youtu.be

gster 03-22-19 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20848416)
I like the looks of this one. Wish I could see more. The mudguards look pre war to me.I even like the funky art deco chainguard. Old aftermarket or off an American bike? I think I'd keep it.

I've contacted the owner so may go and have a look tomorrow.
I'm wondering if it might be an Indian built Hercules....
I see no evidence of a 3 speed cable.
Is the kick stand British?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2c53ab07ed.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...602e45f32f.jpg

3speedslow 03-22-19 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20849790)
I shot a video clip showing how I did it a few years back. I have done it since by modifying the procedure a bit. Putting two or more spokes on one side of the flange to resist rotation and resting the shell on a block of wood works a bit better than the way I did it in the video, but both methods work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBcp...ature=youtu.be

You are gold! I will watch this when I get home. Thinking about the set up makes sense though.

BigChief 03-22-19 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20849800)
I've contacted the owner so may go and have a look tomorrow.
I'm wondering if it might be an Indian built Hercules....
I see no evidence of a 3 speed cable.
Is the kick stand British?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2c53ab07ed.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...602e45f32f.jpg

Those shallow mudguards are from the 1930s. From the catalogs, Herc mostly used the "HERCULES" or a simple spoke style chainring similar to the Raleigh, but this style does appear on the juvenile models, so it's not far fetched to assume it could have been also used on full sized roadsters at times. 3 speed hubs were an option back then. Also, back then, these roadsters either came with the enclosed chainguard or no chainguard, so this later addition helps point to a pre war date. I'm thinking this is a pre war Herc.

DQRider 03-22-19 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20844764)
Yes! A perfect example of a true scorcher.
Nicely done.

Yes, agreed :thumb:

It inspires me to get back to work on my `49 Clubman scorcher, but not until I've taken a couple of my other bikes out for a ride this weekend.

The DL1 will have to wait until the first pass with the street sweepers
- I don't want to risk starting rust on those steel fenders. But I've got a few bikes with aluminum fenders that are ready to roll.

Spring has officially Sprung here in Minnesota, and it's going to be a gorgeous weekend!

Salubrious 03-22-19 10:00 AM

^^Yes! I've been riding my Superbe to work all week :)

gster 03-22-19 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20849960)
Those shallow mudguards are from the 1930s. From the catalogs, Herc mostly used the "HERCULES" or a simple spoke style chainring similar to the Raleigh, but this style does appear on the juvenile models, so it's not far fetched to assume it could have been also used on full sized roadsters at times. 3 speed hubs were an option back then. Also, back then, these roadsters either came with the enclosed chainguard or no chainguard, so this later addition helps point to a pre war date. I'm thinking this is a pre war Herc.

Good to know.
Going to have a look tomorrow am

BigChief 03-22-19 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20850124)
Good to know.
Going to have a look tomorrow am

I think it's worth a look. I can't see much from this photo but I do see those early mudguards, bolt on stays, cottered crank and Hercules style fork crown cap.

gster 03-22-19 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20850243)
I think it's worth a look. I can't see much from this photo but I do see those early mudguards, bolt on stays, cottered crank and Hercules style fork crown cap.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Chr0m0ly 03-22-19 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20849171)
@Chr0m0ly

What are your plans for that wonderful folder?

Free up the gear hub! She's stuck in gear... 2? I think?

Then ride it!!
But of course there's a plan...

Swap out as much steel for aluminum and drop some weight!
Put on a Brooks B66, to put some weight back on!

So aluminum wheelset, seat post, bar stem, and maybe mustache bars.

I'd like to put on a cotterless crank, using a new axle but keeping the hub.

I need to source a rack ASAP.

I love the matched fenders and chain guard, so they are staying, despite the added poundage.

I want to put the fattest cream colored tires that I can fit.

Any input or critique is welcome!

:ride:

3speedslow 03-22-19 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly (Post 20850373)


Free up the gear hub! She's stuck in gear... 2? I think?

Then ride it!!
But of course there's a plan...

Swap out as much steel for aluminum and drop some weight!
Put on a Brooks B66, to put some weight back on!

So aluminum wheelset, seat post, bar stem, and maybe mustache bars.

I'd like to put on a cotterless crank, using a new axle but keeping the hub.

I need to source a rack ASAP.

I love the matched fenders and chain guard, so they are staying, despite the added poundage.

I want to put the fattest cream colored tires that I can fit.

Any input or critique is welcome!

:ride:

All in, a good plan. A little further then I will be going but, I concur wholehearted with the rim change and saddle choice. I travel(ugh) 4 hrs round trip to get mine tomorrow! Canít wait to see some more pics of the future changes for yours.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3daf7341f.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb4d8e754.jpeg


Mine is Canadian of unknown year. Appears to be in great shape. Like you I will be going over it then riding it! The Twenty and the Schorcher should get me through the SOTS Challenges well.

mine from sellers pic

browngw 03-22-19 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20850485)


All in, a good plan. A little further then I will be going but, I concur wholehearted with the rim change and saddle choice. I travel(ugh) 4 hrs round trip to get mine tomorrow! Can’t wait to see some more pics of the future changes for yours.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb4d8e754.jpeg


Mine is Canadian of unknown year. Appears to be in great shape. Like you I will be going over it then riding it! The Twenty and the Schorcher should get me through the SOTS Challenges well.

mine from sellers pic

Glad you found one, and Canadian to boot!. Is that the coffee colour? I've put 20" Schwalbe Marathons on both of our folders with good success.

3speedslow 03-22-19 03:59 PM

@browngw

im not sure of the tires but they are brand new and tubes. He had it recently done. I’ll have to report back on their make. One thing I did which impressed him was to make sure the front wheel was installed correctly. He checked, it was. He said it showed the bike is going to a good home.

Yes, coffee colour. My favorite!

Chr0m0ly 03-22-19 04:48 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bde77a0c9.jpeg
Turns out, mines Canadian too! lol, there's a Canadian shop sticker on the seat tube!

I checked my hub, it was made in June of 1980, so need than I had thought. I've oiled the hub, and the BB. I now have two speeds, and "neutral"! My tires look to be original, but I still aired them up to 50psi, and totted around my block a little. First ride!
Reactions:
1) New wheels, brake calipers, and headset will be essential to making this feel like a real bicycle.
2) The cranks are a tiny bit warped, not a ton, but it's there.
3) Sweet JEBUS is this thing heavy! Put it up on my shop table to lube it, and I think a popped a rib out of place! 😆
4) That frame is awesome. I think the diet will do wonders to wake up the ride.
5) The stock saddle needs to be buried where it can't harm anyone.
6) It's really fun, VERY different from any of my other bikes, I like it a lot already, and I'm excited to see what is possible with the frame!

3speedslow 03-22-19 05:05 PM

Man, besides pedals and those cool rubber covers on the clamp arms, ours could be twins.


i sure wish tomorrow was already in motion!


I see that Kalloy makes a good long seatpost, who are you going to use for the rims?

clubman 03-22-19 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly (Post 20850589)
It's really fun, VERY different from any of my other bikes, I like it a lot already, and I'm excited to see what is possible with the frame![/left]

Pretty much anything if Sheldon is to be believed! :thumb:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...68b78994ac.jpg

sd5782 03-22-19 07:13 PM

Raleigh Royal Roadster
 
Needing a bit of help from the experts. I am going to be in contact with someone with a Raleigh Royal Roadster. I havenít talked to him yet, but from the limited info I have it was purchased in Europe or England and is in ďbeautifulĒ shape.

My limited research would point me to the later version that I have seen pictured that was made in the late 70s. I couldnít believe it would be a great survivor from the 50s. Is that late 70s version desirable? They look nice in picks with all the extras.
it has the rod brakes, enclosed chain, pump, basket, rack, new tires. What is a fair price for a nice one? $250-$300 maybe.

BigChief 03-22-19 08:10 PM

As far as I know, Raleigh never marketed a model with that name. Or do you mean a bike badged Royal that you figure was made in Nottingham by Raleigh? That could be. Raleigh made many custom badged bikes for customers and I'm learning of new ones all the time. Never saw a Royal though. That would be one more new one to me.

clubman 03-22-19 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by sd5782 (Post 20850726)
Needing a bit of help from the experts. I am going to be in contact with someone with a Raleigh Royal Roadster. I haven’t talked to him yet, but from the limited info I have it was purchased in Europe or England and is in “beautiful” shape.

My limited research would point me to the later version that I have seen pictured that was made in the late 70s. I couldn’t believe it would be a great survivor from the 50s. Is that late 70s version desirable? They look nice in picks with all the extras.
it has the rod brakes, enclosed chain, pump, basket, rack, new tires. What is a fair price for a nice one? $250-$300 maybe.

They were Euro models, maybe Danish and Dutch and I wouldn't think earlier than mid 70's.
One for sale on ebay right now. Royale Roadsters to be specific.
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Beautif...-/273102955034

BigChief 03-22-19 08:34 PM

Ah yes, the danish Raleighs. Still being made. look like nice bikes.

https://www.raleigh.dk/

gster 03-22-19 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly (Post 20850589)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bde77a0c9.jpeg
Turns out, mines Canadian too! lol, there's a Canadian shop sticker on the seat tube!

I checked my hub, it was made in June of 1980, so need than I had thought. I've oiled the hub, and the BB. I now have two speeds, and "neutral"! My tires look to be original, but I still aired them up to 50psi, and totted around my block a little. First ride!
Reactions:
1) New wheels, brake calipers, and headset will be essential to making this feel like a real bicycle.
2) The cranks are a tiny bit warped, not a ton, but it's there.
3) Sweet JEBUS is this thing heavy! Put it up on my shop table to lube it, and I think a popped a rib out of place! 😆
4) That frame is awesome. I think the diet will do wonders to wake up the ride.
5) The stock saddle needs to be buried where it can't harm anyone.
6) It's really fun, VERY different from any of my other bikes, I like it a lot already, and I'm excited to see what is possible with the frame!

Maybe these are the original BMX bikes,

gster 03-23-19 05:58 AM

Another Superbe on Kijiji, Toronto
Seller is asking a reasonable $159.00
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...763fab0474.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e0ee088253.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e9ebccb629.jpg

clubman 03-23-19 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by sd5782 (Post 20850726)
What is a fair price for a nice one? $250-$300 maybe.[/left]

FWIW, depending on your market, $300 is likely fair. Remember that newer models tend to have less robust chrome, more galvanized nuts and bolts adding up to a slightly less overall build quality than older models. Asking 2K is unethical but that's nothing new for ebay.

gster 03-23-19 12:10 PM

19?? Hercules
So I did buy the bike.
$70.00 (CDN) and the guy delivered it
to my house.
Single speed and very complete.
28" rims.
Not to sure what I'll do with it.
Obviously a good cleaning first!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05cc221485.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05c9929965.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...79a16a0297.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d0c616181.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...11aad38ee1.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7547eb664a.jpg

gster 03-23-19 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20851444)

Serial # is WC1885
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac670613b0.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e58d1a38c3.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca71ed63d.jpg

browngw 03-23-19 12:57 PM

Good grab @gster! A unique long term project.

dweenk 03-23-19 01:25 PM

I hope that some of the stuff that looks like rust is only dirt and crud. Nice find, and a good price.


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