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1948 Humber Beeston Clubman Model 321
Just acquired this 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman from a gentleman in his eighties, he bought it new in 1948 and last rode it a couple of years ago.
Only changes he made were to convert it to straight handlebars and a few years back he had it serviced and shop sprayed it to touch up the blue paint, unfortunately they sprayed over the transfers and head badge though they are still visible, otherwise it is all original. He says he still has original receipt and is trying to find it and let me have it. It also comes with original Pump. It has a Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed which apparently was designed for Clubman type Sports Cycles as well as original wing nuts as per SA Literature. Humber were taken over be Raleigh in 1931, I think, so it is a Raleigh derivative but still having Humber features such as Fork Crown. Photos & Literature Pics below:- https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97ac9e3299.png 1948 Humber Catalogue Page. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6aee0d6e39.png Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed as on the bike. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ac61cd7e8.jpg 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...78b05291db.jpg Head badge painted over!!! https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9022569df.jpg SA 3 Speed AM Hub with original wing nuts. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...32f306a009.jpg Original correct Crank Set. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5d4936cf40.jpg Clubman transfer visible through paint film on Seat Tube. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e6d967f377.jpg Humber transfer on Downtube. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...17ba342c43.jpg Head Stock View showing cutaway Lugs. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4318e45f84.jpg SA AM 3 Speed showing date for May 1948. |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20856998)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9022569df.jpg SA 3 Speed AM Hub with original wing nuts. SA AM 3 Speed showing date for May 1948. |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20856998)
Just acquired this 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman from a gentleman in his eighties, he bought it new in 1948 and last rode it a couple of years ago.
Only changes he made were to convert it to straight handlebars and a few years back he had it serviced and shop sprayed it to touch up the blue paint, unfortunately they sprayed over the transfers and head badge though they are still visible, otherwise it is all original. He says he still has original receipt and is trying to find it and let me have it. It also comes with original Pump. It has a Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed which apparently was designed for Clubman type Sports Cycles as well as original wing nuts as per SA Literature. Humber were taken over be Raleigh in 1931, I think, so it is a Raleigh derivative but still having Humber features such as Fork Crown. Photos & Literature Pics below:- https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97ac9e3299.png 1948 Humber Catalogue Page. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6aee0d6e39.png Sturmey Archer AM 3 Speed as on the bike. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ac61cd7e8.jpg 1948 Humber Beeston Clubman. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...78b05291db.jpg Head badge painted over!!! https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d9022569df.jpg SA 3 Speed AM Hub with original wing nuts. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...32f306a009.jpg Original correct Crank Set. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5d4936cf40.jpg Clubman transfer visible through paint film on Seat Tube. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e6d967f377.jpg Humber transfer on Downtube. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...17ba342c43.jpg Head Stock View showing cutaway Lugs. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4318e45f84.jpg SA AM 3 Speed showing date for May 1948. What's that extra clamp on the headset? Rims look good. Should clean up nicely. |
Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
(Post 20857016)
Great stuff! I'm curious to know if the indicator guide is integrated with the wing nut or if they are separate pieces. Looking at how far out it extends, I would think it's integrated.
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Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20857035)
It's amazing that the saddle has survived all these years.
What's that extra clamp on the headset? Rims look good. Should clean up nicely. |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20857061)
I think it is integrated but until I take it apart I won't know, you can see from the literature that the wing nuts are supplied with the hub. I will post when I dismantle it which may not be for a while as I am working on a Dayton Roadmaster at present, this will be my next project after the Dayton.
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Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20857079)
Yes the saddle is a B17 and a bit crackly. it will need some TLC to bring it back but I think it can be done, I have some Brooks 'Proofide' Saddle treatment which should improve it. The wheels have Stainless Spokes, the rims are a bit worn but may be salvageable. I think the clamp pinches the bar stem I think the original had no centre clamp bolt (you can see this in the literature extract I posted, there is no sign of a top bolt on the stem) and this method is featured on many prewar bikes but until I dismantle it I can't be sure. The bike was converted from Drops to Straight bars so I don't have the original stem. I will post info' when I get round to stripping it which won't be until I complete the Dayton Roadmaster which is my current project.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20857221)
What a spectacular find. Some great bikes showing up here lately. Personally, I think the over spray legitimizes a total refinish. After all these years of bike hunting I've come up with some fine roadsters, but no club level bikes yet. Looks like there's still a few out there.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20857221)
What a spectacular find. Some great bikes showing up here lately. Personally, I think the over spray legitimizes a total refinish. After all these years of bike hunting I've come up with some fine roadsters, but no club level bikes yet. Looks like there's still a few out there.
It looks like I'll be getting my hands on a late '60s early '70s derelict Sports in that root beer colour after all. I will post pictures of it when I have it in my possession. It will be great to practice rebuilding a hub with the derelict AW, along with gathering the parts to use on my '50 Superbe. |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ef3c4ae30.jpeg Peter, Thats an awesome machine waiting in the Q. Will enjoy the update when it happens! I think the bag rack is quite nice. Thoughts on originality? |
That Beeston Clubman looks like a great bike! If you're interested in restoring to original-ish drop bars and stem without fixing bolt (because that headclip does hold it in place), let me know as I have a set that was taken off of a Raleigh Clubman of that era.
In terms of the saddle, here's a cautionary tale: On my first longish ride on my '49 Raleigh Clubman with original saddle, I hit a bump in the road and the saddle leather sheered off right at the nose. That was early in a 50-mile ride and still managed to complete it, but not comfortably! So, yes, treat it well before subjecting it to riding rigors. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20857221)
What a spectacular find. Some great bikes showing up here lately. Personally, I think the over spray legitimizes a total refinish. After all these years of bike hunting I've come up with some fine roadsters, but no club level bikes yet. Looks like there's still a few out there.
I think I will probably refinish the frame and re-chrome the Front Fork top lug. and keep it same colour as that was standard for the model. No one has transfers which is a shame but the badge will clean up. I will try Lloyds with photos to see if they can do anything but usually they want full artwork. Regards |
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2162ba18f.jpeg Might have to level the saddle again. Taking the Raleigh 20 for her first good ride. A final adjustment of the cable and we are off. It rolls very smoothly and solid feeling. I will enjoy going up in cog teeth if not for hills but the gusty headwinds around here. The steering is different but acceptable. pulled into one of my coffee stops. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20856974)
Brampton did a good job with this shifter. The design is based on the earlier SA but it seems it was different enough for them to receive a new patent. SA was aware of the problem of bikes falling over and bending the shifter. Their approach in the mid 50s was to redesign it with a shorter lever and moving the mounting bolt inside the body to keep it closer to the handlebar. That may have helped, but I much prefer the longer lever for ease of use. Looks like Brampton took the better approach and beefed up the design with heavier steel. I like it. The other SA shifter in your photo is from the mid 70s. By then they decided to add a cover. Why they chose to make it out of plastic instead of metal is one of those "what were they thinking?" 70s things.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...94588951a6.jpg Although not considered "desirable" , I kind of like the huskier look and feel of the one on my 79 DL1. Older ones are getting harder to find it seems. Swap meets where there a lots of muscle bike enthusiasts tend to have lots of 3 speed parts but all seventies of course. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...62b499b8a7.jpg |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20857268)
No one has transfers which is a shame but the badge will clean up. I will try Lloyds with photos to see if they can do anything but usually they want full artwork.
Regards |
^^ and no matter the degree of storage, those tin covers are just lifting off! Going to revisit some better way of attaching them. |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 20857257)
That Beeston Clubman looks like a great bike! If you're interested in restoring to original-ish drop bars and stem without fixing bolt (because that headclip does hold it in place), let me know as I have a set that was taken off of a Raleigh Clubman of that era.
In terms of the saddle, here's a cautionary tale: On my first longish ride on my '49 Raleigh Clubman with original saddle, I hit a bump in the road and the saddle leather sheered off right at the nose. That was early in a 50-mile ride and still managed to complete it, but not comfortably! So, yes, treat it well before subjecting it to riding rigors. Best regards Peter |
Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln
(Post 20857359)
I guess generating the file to print the decals is the hard part. Maybe you could find a graphic arts student at a local technical college wanting a challenge.
A couple of possibilities!!!!! |
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e170750f8.jpeg I missed this earlier, stuffed up in the stem was the limit cable. I thought it was cut off. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fc024e972.jpeg Nice shiny and regreased 24 BBS https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1b63e21ac.jpeg All apart https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5f173d0e.jpeg Top cap is loose which covers the bushing. A notch holds the bushing in place https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2833e363f.jpeg Cleaned and light grease before insertion https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25ad629ac.jpeg Ready to go back together While riding the Raleigh today I got to thinking. I’ve not noticed any play or notching in the lower HS but, with the stiff feel, how can you tell if it has sufficient grease? You take it apart! So far everything has had fairly nice grease so I was not too worried. Getting it arranged on the stand with blanket to catch the BBs. |
Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 20857270)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2162ba18f.jpeg Might have to level the saddle again. Taking the Raleigh 20 for her first good ride. A final adjustment of the cable and we are off. It rolls very smoothly and solid feeling. I will enjoy going up in cog teeth if not for hills but the gusty headwinds around here. The steering is different but acceptable. pulled into one of my coffee stops. |
^^ it’s a workhorse for Brooks that’s for sure. I prefer the narrow but wondering if a standard would be more appropriate. |
Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 20857711)
^^ it’s a workhorse for Brooks that’s for sure. I prefer the narrow but wondering if a standard would be more appropriate. The paintwork on you bike is outstanding it is like new, cleaned up really well!!!! |
1930 Hercules Update
I saw my friend George at Parts Unknown today. He had a nice NOS Westwood 28" rear wheel. Probably made in India. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cedd020339.jpg It accepted a SA freewheel I had in the garage. The old Villiers freewheel is stuck on good and doesn't want to budge. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2792a6a8e2.jpg This may work as a stand in until I sort out the original. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4c7f528511.jpg Chrome is good. $20.00 |
Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 20857683)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e170750f8.jpeg I missed this earlier, stuffed up in the stem was the limit cable. I thought it was cut off. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fc024e972.jpeg Nice shiny and regreased 24 BBS https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1b63e21ac.jpeg All apart https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5f173d0e.jpeg Top cap is loose which covers the bushing. A notch holds the bushing in place https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2833e363f.jpeg Cleaned and light grease before insertion https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25ad629ac.jpeg Ready to go back together While riding the Raleigh today I got to thinking. I’ve not noticed any play or notching in the lower HS but, with the stiff feel, how can you tell if it has sufficient grease? You take it apart! So far everything has had fairly nice grease so I was not too worried. Getting it arranged on the stand with blanket to catch the BBs. |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20857923)
1930 Hercules Update
I saw my friend George at Parts Unknown today. He had a nice NOS Westwood 28" rear wheel. Probably made in India. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cedd020339.jpg It accepted a SA freewheel I had in the garage. The old Villiers freewheel is stuck on good and doesn't want to budge. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2792a6a8e2.jpg This may work as a stand in until I sort out the original. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4c7f528511.jpg Chrome is good. $20.00 |
1948 Humber Beeston Clubman Model 321
Found this article on the Raleigh produced Clubmans, thought it is an interesting read, it covers the following:-
Raleigh Lenton Sports/Clubman Rudge Aero Sports/Clubman Humber Beeston Sports Clubman These were all basically the same bike badge engineered and with a few differing components, apparently the Humber version is the rarest. See here:- https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...1946-1951.html |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20857923)
1930 Hercules Update
I saw my friend George at Parts Unknown today. He had a nice NOS Westwood 28" rear wheel. Probably made in India. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cedd020339.jpg It accepted a SA freewheel I had in the garage. The old Villiers freewheel is stuck on good and doesn't want to budge. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2792a6a8e2.jpg This may work as a stand in until I sort out the original. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4c7f528511.jpg Chrome is good. $20.00 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51586e79e6.png https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...86a7213211.png |
The B17 has been my standard for saddles up to now. In a little game of "musical saddles" the Royal Nord got the newish B67on the RH, the Salsa Vaya gave up it's apple green B17 which is on the Robin Hood and a brand new B17 "aged" and "laced" in dark tan, has been assigned to the Vaya. Supposedly it breaks in faster and is a little softer. Time will tell, but I like the look. Now to find some green bar tape for the Robin Hood Sports.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e5375fd9f7.jpg
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I’m going to go longer distance tomorrow with the B17 narrow and see how it feels. At 126 LBS, there’s not much pressure so to speak. My biggest grip is the 3 times I’ve had to stop and tighten the seat clamp so the nose doesn’t ride up to much. I switched to a small Carradice, more in tune with my carry needs. |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 20857970)
Found this article on the Raleigh produced Clubmans, thought it is an interesting read, it covers the following:-
Raleigh Lenton Sports/Clubman Rudge Aero Sports/Clubman Humber Beeston Sports Clubman These were all basically the same bike badge engineered and with a few differing components, apparently the Humber version is the rarest. See here:- https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...1946-1951.html |
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