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adventurepdx 05-04-20 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21452651)
In case anyone is thinking about treating your old 3-speed to some new, high-end shoes:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grand-Bois-...UAAOSw-bRehM4-

I bought a pair of these in 2018, slapped them on my Robin Hood, rode Pepin. And promptly got rid of them.

Yeah, sure, they are "Grand Bois" quality, but I have no idea why they did them as a 32 mm width. While they looked OK (though skinny), the higher psi required for running a tire that skinny negated any benefits of "suppleness" that the tire supposedly has. Col de la Vies look good and do the trick for at least half the price. Now, if Grand Bois would release a version that's 37-40 mm wide...
https://live.staticflickr.com/907/41...ea87235c_z.jpg

nlerner 05-04-20 05:42 AM

^ That’s good to know! I do like the Col de la vie tires a great deal, better than the version made for 650b wheels for some reason.

PeterLYoung 05-04-20 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by thorstein (Post 21407070)
That is a nice looking bike! Between the color, the chain ring, long chain stays, and the double fork blades - wow! Looks like it would be a fun ride!

Here is an informative article "On the Drops' (https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...1946-1951.html) on the range of Clubmans Raleigh produced after the war, 1946 to 1951. There were three models, Raleigh Lenton Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman.There was at that time a very large Club Riding Movement in the UK. I am restoring a Beeston Clubman currently, it was given to me by its original owner now in his eighties and no longer able to ride, he is following my restoration progress, see photo attached. I think after 1951 they evolved to "Sport" models.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...092becb840.jpg
Humber Beeston Clubman.

gster 05-04-20 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21455084)
Here is an informative article "On the Drops' (https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...1946-1951.html) on the range of Clubmans Raleigh produced after the war, 1946 to 1951. There were three models, Raleigh Lenton Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman.There was at that time a very large Club Riding Movement in the UK. I am restoring a Beeston Clubman currently, it was given to me by its original owner now in his eighties and no longer able to ride, he is following my restoration progress, see photo attached. I think after 1951 they evolved to "Sport" models.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...092becb840.jpg
Humber Beeston Clubman.

Looking forward to the progress.
I still think that my 1955 Humber Sports is a Club bike.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...08b5b29482.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...29ca4c2178.jpg
Despite the 2030 tubing....
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...490e65dff3.jpg
Or maybe it was a standard model modified with EA1 rims after the fact...

PeterLYoung 05-05-20 07:20 AM

In the UK the Club Culture declined as the 1950's progressed due to more people affording cars/motorcycles but club riding did continue and riders would have bought a suitable bicycle that took their fancy so yes your Humber could well have been a club bike, I was referring to the specifically named Raleigh range. Your bike is very smart, a lovely machine. The article did also refer to Sports models predating the clubman range also.

gster 05-05-20 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21456383)
In the UK the Club Culture declined as the 1950's progressed due to more people affording cars/motorcycles but club riding did continue and riders would have bought a suitable bicycle that took their fancy so yes your Humber could well have been a club bike, I was referring to the specifically named Raleigh range. Your bike is very smart, a lovely machine. The article did also refer to Sports models predating the clubman range also.

I've got a line on an elderly neigbour's/friend's club bike as well.
He's owned it since new.
He's not ready to part with it yet......
A 1955 Norman
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43bfb679ad.jpg
With a Cyclo derailleur..
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ba50345bb.jpg
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...l#post21156766

Ged117 05-05-20 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21456686)
I've got a line on an elderly neigbour's/friend's club bike as well.
He's owned it since new.
He's not ready to part with it yet......
A 1955 Norman
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43bfb679ad.jpg
With a Cyclo derailleur..
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ba50345bb.jpg
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...l#post21156766

That bike needs your help, gster! I bet after some work with evaporust, polish, and wax that what is left of the green will come shining through. Rum surface looks rough in some spots. The hybrid gearing is the same as I have on my Superbe few a few years earlier. It certainly makes for useful gear combinations, but it is very touchy to operate. Failure to heed its eccentricities and you'll drop the chain again....and again.

The AG hub will likely still produce electron juice for your night rides through town.

PeterLYoung 05-05-20 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21456686)
I've got a line on an elderly neigbour's/friend's club bike as well.
He's owned it since new.
He's not ready to part with it yet......
A 1955 Norman
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43bfb679ad.jpg
With a Cyclo derailleur..
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ba50345bb.jpg
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...l#post21156766

Thatís an interesting bike and I would think very rare, especially with that Cyclo Derailleur. Chrome looks like it could clean up pretty well too. A nice original machine.

gster 05-05-20 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21456769)
Thatís an interesting bike and I would think very rare, especially with that Cyclo Derailleur. Chrome looks like it could clean up pretty well too. A nice original machine.

Yes.
He bought the bike (his mum bought the bike) and almost right away went back
to the store
and bought the conversion kit to install.
I may offer to restore and return to him with the
understanding that he will give it to me when he's ready.
It's been sitting in his shed for a least 40 years....

PeterLYoung 05-05-20 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21456814)
Yes.
He bought the bike (his mum bought the bike) and almost right away went back
to the store
and bought the conversion kit to install.
I may offer to restore and return to him with the
understanding that he will give it to me when he's ready.
It's been sitting in his shed for a least 40 years....

That would be a very nice and generous thing to do. As one gets older we tend to reflect on our past and he would love to see his bike in its former glory and know when the time comes it will go to someone who will care for it. The gentleman who gave me the Humber Beeston Clubman is following my progress and I promised him I would take it to his home so he could see it restored and virtually as it was when he bought it in 1948. He gave it to me because he knew I would take care of it and I think the same applies in your case.

gster 05-05-20 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21457140)
That would be a very nice and generous thing to do. As one gets older we tend to reflect on our past and he would love to see his bike in its former glory and know when the time comes it will go to someone who will care for it. The gentleman who gave me the Humber Beeston Clubman is following my progress and I promised him I would take it to his home so he could see it restored and virtually as it was when he bought it in 1948. He gave it to me because he knew I would take care of it and I think the same applies in your case.

Yes, I've known Dave for years. He was our local taxi driver until he retired and
sold his cab licence. Cab licences used to be worth a fortune in Toronto, $300,00.00 +
This was BEFORE Uber...
They might be worth $25,00.00 now.
He sold his before and did well.

gster 05-05-20 01:33 PM

Here's a nice one
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...226f7a542e.jpg
1966 Dunelt
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f61aa54af1.jpg
Seller is asking a very reasonable $150.00.
Or this
Rusty old bike
Tires hold air!!!
$300.00
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05e2343248.jpg

gster 05-05-20 01:47 PM

Another interesting Kijiji listing
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61b307806f.jpg
A early 70's Raleigh built Glider 10 Speed for $200.00.
I can't tell without seeing the bike in person but some of
these came out of the Carlton Workshop....
I've seen another one (at the Toronto Vintage Bicycle Show, R.I.P.)
that had the red "C" nuts on the cotters and front wheel.
No photo of the drive side....

thumpism 05-05-20 07:20 PM

Batch pricing! Check out the Bianchi.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...113653421.html

5 vintage project bikes- Raleigh Bianchi Hercules RobinHood Flash - $200 (Nova)

https://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_...uc_600x450.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/00707_...IV_600x450.jpg

bicycle frame material: steel
bicycle type: other
frame size: 12345
wheel size: 26 in
Mostly complete all need restoration. Restore or use for parts. Robin Hood. Raleigh. Hercules. Flash. Bianchi. $200 for all

thumpism 05-05-20 07:23 PM

Dutch!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2277671593747/

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...54&oe=5ED716D6

thumpism 05-05-20 07:39 PM

FIVE SPEED!!!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2629197461729/

https://scontent.fric1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...8d&oe=5ED80D50

bluesteak 05-06-20 12:41 PM

53 tourist
 

Originally Posted by usarnie1 (Post 21449295)
I thought I would share with you the prize of my bicycle collection. It is a near mint 1953 Hercules Windsor QEII coronation celebration bicycle. Aside from doing a re-spray to the chain guard, adding a replica Hercules Windsor sticker to it, installing a set of Michelin tires, thorn proof tubes, Brooks B66 leather Saddle & tool pouch, NOS Hungerford Supper jet hand grips, all new barrel adjusting cables & brake pads, NOS Hercules pedals, 3" bell, new air pump, Dual Miller headlights with modern LED bulbs installed, stem mounted concave rear view mirror, replica 1950s Space Patrol Terra IV space ship front fender stickers, QEII Coronation badge and a NOS Midland rear carrying rack. The remainder of the bike is mostly all original.

The bike originally came with only a single speed rear coaster brake and no hand controls. I changed all that back to stock using a Hercules B type rear hub, new 185mm spokes (trimmed down to 183mm), both caliper brakes, hand controls, brake cables and a Hercumatic 3 speed shifter with all the necessary hardware, cable and indicator chain.

I purchased this bike on E-bay. It was located in Rhode Island. I had a cousin of mine, who lives in Massachusetts, go pick it up and then ship it to me in California. The seller of this bike purchased it from a storage auction. Judging by the excellent condition of the paint and decals, I presume the bike spent many years, or decades, locked up in a storage facility. I won the e-bay auction with a bid of $55. Plus $100 for shipping. So far I have spent over $700 to add all the components to the bike as listed above.

I have 10 vintage European 3 speed bicycles in my collection and my Hercules Windsor is my favorite of all of them. The replica stickers were purchased from redbubble.com and all the other parts were purchased on e-bay. To me all the work and money spent on this bicycle was worth it.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...80de2eb7b3.jpg
1953 Hercules Windsor QEII Bicycle

I am including photos of my 53 Hercules tourist. The original fork was unsafe, and took a fork from another Hercules. Is the paint scheme a one year only plan to celebrate the coronation on all their models.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efef04a04.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cc0660208.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6bf216b52.jpeg

gster 05-06-20 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21459190)
I am including photos of my 53 Hercules tourist. The original fork was unsafe, and took a fork from another Hercules. Is the paint scheme a one year only plan to celebrate the coronation on all their models.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efef04a04.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cc0660208.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6bf216b52.jpeg

Classic black.
Is that the bad fork or the new one?
Not to be a downer but it looks slightly askew....

bluesteak 05-06-20 02:29 PM

Yes, itís not the best, but much better than the original. I havenít had the initiative to take it off and get it straightened.

I am still learning the ropes.

took it out for a spin this AM.

clubman 05-06-20 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21459190)
I am including photos of my 53 Hercules tourist. The original fork was unsafe, and took a fork from another Hercules. Is the paint scheme a one year only plan to celebrate the coronation on all their models.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efef04a04.jpeg

The oval cutouts and sunburst decals are great and I think you're correct with the coronation. Those Terry horsehair saddles, old as they are, can still be comfortable over reasonable distances.

usarnie1 05-06-20 04:56 PM

In 1953 Hercules made three different models of the QE II Coronation Celebration Bicycle. The Hercules Windsor, the Hercules Royal Prince and the Hercules Tourist. They were available in only two colors, burgundy or black. Since the majority of the bikes sold were Burgundy, your black bike is very rare! I have in my collection all three burgundy models of the QEII bicycles (see below photo).

I have redone the artwork on all three model chain guard stickers and they all are currently available on Redbubble.com at very reasonable prices!

Sometime in the future, I will also redesign the seats down tube decal. When completed, the set will be in two separate sets of stickers. One will be only 2 sets of chevrons and the other will be one sticker with the two falcons in flight on each side of the scripted Hercules.

Enjoy your bike!

Regards,

Arnie






https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0c76b27e9e.jpg
My three Hercules QE II Bicycles

bluesteak 05-06-20 06:06 PM

The chrome mud guards on my bike seem like an outlier. Are they original or did the black bikes come with black fenders?

usarnie1 05-06-20 06:25 PM

I think your bike originally came with black mud guards. However, your chrome mud guards look great on your bike. I would leave them on the bike, as they appear to be good looking and rust free.

Your black Hercules QEII bike is only the second one that I have ever seen in black! Your bike appears to be complete and all original. That alone will save you hundreds of dollars, if you restore it!

Tell me how you acquired your bike! Was it a local find? A craigslist find? An e-bay find? From the original owner? Was it passed down from a family member? What city and state was it located in?

Your Hercules pedals look near new! And your rims look to be free from any rust. I would straighten out the front fender stays!

Below is a photo of the other black Hercules QEII bicycle that was unsold on e-bay two years ago. Most of us call a vintage bike that is missing both the fenders and chain guard a beater bike! As such, the value of this unsold bike is as a parts bike! I would not attempt to restore a bike in this poor condition!

Regards,

Arnie in Woodland Hills, California


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f6ee3feda7.jpg
1953 Hercules Beater Bike

gster 05-07-20 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by usarnie1 (Post 21459876)
I think your bike originally came with black mud guards. However, your chrome mud guards look great on your bike. I would leave them on the bike, as they appear to be good looking and rust free.

Your black Hercules QEII bike is only the second one that I have ever seen in black! Your bike appears to be complete and all original. That alone will save you hundreds of dollars, if you restore it!

Tell me how you acquired your bike! Was it a local find? A craigslist find? An e-bay find? From the original owner? Was it passed down from a family member? What city and state was it located in?

Your Hercules pedals look near new! And your rims look to be free from any rust. I would straighten out the front fender stays!

Below is a photo of the other black Hercules QEII bicycle that was unsold on e-bay two years ago. Most of us call a vintage bike that is missing both the fenders and chain guard a beater bike! As such, the value of this bike is only as a parts bike! I would not attempt to restore a bike in this poor condition!

Regards,

Arnie in Woodland Hills, California


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f6ee3feda7.jpg
1953 Hercules Beater Bike

You make a good point.
I've found through experience that once parts are removed from a bicycle/motorcycle there's a good 90% chance that they
will never go back on and most likely be lost.
A number of years ago I found a bike on somebody's front yard in several pieces.
On investigation, it appeared that the owner had started off to change
a tire, decided to do a bit more work and in the end, did nothing and gave up...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f806b13f53.jpg
Not a great bike but a good one...
The $30.00 Bicycle
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...30-00-bicycle/

gster 05-09-20 07:01 AM

Still Out There
This popped up on Toronto Kijiji this morning.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b59550f1d.jpg
The seller has it listed as a 73-74 but it's clearly an much earlier bike.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6935add5b7.jpg
The old style calipers, colour and 2030 sticker lead me to think it's mid 50's.
Perhaps the white fenders are a Canadian touch.
No asking price listed.

Ged117 05-09-20 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21464409)
Still Out There
This popped up on Toronto Kijiji this morning.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b59550f1d.jpg
The seller has it listed as a 73-74 but it's clearly an much earlier bike.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6935add5b7.jpg
The old style calipers, colour and 2030 sticker lead me to think it's mid 50's.
Perhaps the white fenders are a Canadian touch.
No asking price listed.

This bike resembles my fiance's '56 Sports in many ways. The 2030 transfer, the Raleigh Sports font, and as you pointed out the brakes, and the white fenders. This is a very cool bike. If it were 23" I would be tempted to hide it away somewhere. I really like the colours available during this period. They really speak to the mid-50s era in North America, whereas my bike from 1950 is more '40s with its Superbe Green and general English reserved character.

gster 05-09-20 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21464461)
This bike resembles my fiance's '56 Sports in many ways. The 2030 transfer, the Raleigh Sports font, and as you pointed out the brakes, and the white fenders. This is a very cool bike. If it were 23" I would be tempted to hide it away somewhere. I really like the colours available during this period. They really speak to the mid-50s era in North America, whereas my bike from 1950 is more '40s with its Superbe Green and general English reserved character.

It looks like the same colour as a 1955 Humber I have.
As always, I've vowed not to buy anymore bicycles!!!!
Free bikes are OK......maybe.

usarnie1 05-09-20 10:52 AM

This Toronto bike only needs new brake cables and a new Brooks B66 saddle to make it look spectacular! The pre 1966 pear shaped lead end, adjustable barrel cables, are available on e-bay. A used B66 saddle can also be found on e-bay. The remainder of the bike looks great!

gster 05-09-20 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by usarnie1 (Post 21464784)
This Toronto bike only needs new brake cables and a new Brooks B66 saddle to make it look spectacular! The pre 1966 pear shaped lead end, adjustable barrel cables, are available on e-bay. A used B66 saddle can also be found on e-bay. The remainder of the bike looks great!

I sent the seller a note to help him date it properly.

BigChief 05-09-20 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21464833)
I sent the seller a note to help him date it properly.

Yes, mid 50s lugs, top tube mounted guide wheel, original dual quill pedals, very nice. 1955-56 I figure. It would be better to have the original color on the mudguards. Or perhaps the originals were missing. Then, replacing them with freshly painted white ones makes good sense.


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