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gster 07-07-20 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21573983)
These are all wonderful, and the smile on the girls face was the first thing I noticed. No accounting for other folk. :rolleyes:
Thanks for posting these. :thumb:

My thoughts exactly......

threespeedmafia 07-07-20 01:32 PM

Sorry Toronto
 

Originally Posted by gster (Post 21574311)
My thoughts exactly......

Sorry about your show being cancelled. We could all use a good show and/or ride right about now. Anyway, thank you for sharing the wonderful posters.

clubman 07-07-20 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21572817)
Man, I love these 3speeds. I had one, got hit by a car, turned it into a taco.

Wish I could find another.

Finding them is pretty easy. Your location?

MiLe31 07-07-20 03:11 PM

NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

clubman 07-07-20 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)
NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

The local Craigslist should fix you up.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/searc...aleigh+3+speed

sykerocker 07-07-20 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21574874)
The local Craigslist should fix you up.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/searc...aleigh+3+speed

Following that link, one of the bikes listed was a 70-72 (claimed) Sports in white. That's the first one I've seen since I had mine back in 1973. Unfortunately, this one is a girl's frame.

branko_76 07-07-20 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)
NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

There are a couple of nice Raleigh Sports (men's) on facebook marketplace in your area.

Here's a 1969 for $175...

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...ba&oe=5F29C2CA


$150.00...

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...27&oe=5F29E94C


$150.00...(but worth $75.00)

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...ee&oe=5F2B3531

clubman 07-07-20 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)

I do want a bike. It's been a while.

Don't shy away from the step through 'womens' models. We're above that, given our age and wisdom. :innocent:
They are usually in better condition and cost less. I enjoy the ride of them as well, they seem nimble.

clubman 07-07-20 07:58 PM

But branko_76 is showing some very nice examples, all are bigger 23" frames. I'd suggest 31" inseams min. for those.
Ask questions anytime, there's literally a gazillion of them out there. Bikes and questions.

gster 07-09-20 06:53 AM

New Hudson
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...552a60b6ad.jpg
You don't see these too often in Toronto.
Seller is asking $200.00​​​​​​

gster 07-09-20 02:04 PM

Another interesting bike listed in Toronto
A 1957 CCM Imperial Club Racer
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e3464ef45.jpg
Canadian built with a S/A SW hub and EA1 rims.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f1736f540.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77a8a572db.jpg
While I'm not buying this bike, I am buying a Cyclo deraileur from the same vendor.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf55455978.jpg
​​​​​​

BigChief 07-09-20 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21578437)
Another interesting bike listed in Toronto
A 1957 CCM Imperial Club Racer
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e3464ef45.jpg
Canadian built with a S/A SW hub and EA1 rims.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f1736f540.jpg
​​​​​​

Interesting bike. The B66 is out of place on a drop bar bike though. It looks to be in good shape. It would be the perfect saddle for that early 50s Rudge Sports a few posts back.

gster 07-09-20 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21578494)
Interesting bike. The B66 is out of place on a drop bar bike though. It looks to be in good shape. It would be the perfect saddle for that early 50s Rudge Sports a few posts back.

Yes...
The seller (a friend) says it has a '57 AW hub.......
Not an SW as stated in the brochure.
More evidence that the SW hubs were not popular/reliable.
OT
New shed (not for bikes)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...82e52d8105.jpg

W.L.SOON 07-10-20 07:30 AM

Raleigh roadster chainwheel/crankset 44T,46T,48T ?
 
Hello guys. Sorry for bumping in here with this topic;you folks might have covered this before....but please share some info on this:

I am going to get a set of the Raleigh 48T crankset with the 'square' crank arms,tiny Sir Raleigh logo,6.5" arm center-to-center,chainwheel with 3 herons and 3 'curved' triangles in between them, for my Gazelle roadster.

So my gearing will be a highish 4818,single speed hub. My previous chainwheel was a 44T.

I have always been perplexed with the huge variety of cranksets for our Raleigh Sports(261 3/8) and Roadsters(281 1/2) . So here we go:

1)Why are there 44,46,48T for our bikes?
2)Square cranks / rounded cranks(cross-section)?
3)Tiny Sir Raleigh logo / 'RALEIGH INDUSTRIES' wordings on the arms?
4)Three herons on the chainwheel with hollow cut-outs in between / Three herons on the chainwheel with three curved triangles in between / Chainwheel with the initials R-I-N (Raleigh Industries?) / Chainwheel with plain looking 'rectangle' cut-outs ?
5) 6 1/2" and 7" cranks?
6) Solid cranks and fluted cranks?
7)Are all these 44,46,48T cranks on the chainwheel side spaced wider to accommodate the chaincase?

Sorry for my barrage of questions,but I will be buying a set soon and thus the load of questions. Sorry again if you have gone through this before but your info will be much appreciated.

Thank you guys,take care and all the best to you all.

Sincerely,
W.L.SOON,Malaysia
1957 Gazelle roadster

cudak888 07-10-20 07:41 AM

W.L.SOON - The info here pertains to my knowledge of US-market Nottingham Raleighs. It may differ for production from other countries:


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
1)Why are there 44,46,48T for our bikes?

48t was the norm until the late 1960's, when the gearing was reduced to 46t. I don't recall ever seeing a 44t on a full-size Raleigh; chances are those cranks are from a youth bike.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
2)Square cranks / rounded cranks(cross-section)?

Presumably strength, but Raleigh ran square cranks since the 1950's while running round cranks on the 1960's and 1970's Twenty models. Cost? Can't say.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
3)Tiny Sir Raleigh logo / 'RALEIGH INDUSTRIES' wordings on the arms?

Pretty sure the latter is 1950's production. The Sir Walter Raleigh logo became the de-facto standard from the 1960's on.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
4)Three herons on the chainwheel with hollow cut-outs in between / Three herons on the chainwheel with three curved triangles in between / Chainwheel with the initials R-I-N (Raleigh Industries?) / Chainwheel with plain looking 'rectangle' cut-outs ?

Hollow cutouts came in the early 1970's. Ran concurrent with the original triangulated design until they stopped making them somewhere in 1974-5. Can't help with the others.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
5) 6 1/2" and 7" cranks?

165mm vs 170mm. Most Sports cranks were 165mm, but choose what works for your riding style first. I'm 5' 10" and prefer running 170s when possible, but 170mm Raleigh arms aren't easy to find.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
6) Solid cranks and fluted cranks?

Can't help there.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
7)Are all these 44,46,48T cranks on the chainwheel side spaced wider to accommodate the chaincase?

Pretty sure they're all spaced the same, though the old chaincases usually had the 48t rings.

-Kurt

branko_76 07-10-20 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21578660)
Yes...
The seller (a friend) says it has a '57 AW hub.......
Not an SW as stated in the brochure.
More evidence that the SW hubs were not popular/reliable.
OT
New shed (not for bikes)

That's not a modest shed. Are those half-lap joints holding the walls together?

...

Bomarc 07-10-20 10:24 AM

Here's a re-build of a rusty 1973 Supercycle I picked up on Kijiji for $30. It was a testbed for powdercoating and to learn how to install decals for an upcoming 68 Superbe restoration. Runs really smoothly so far, once the heat breaks I'll take it on a longer ride to work out the bugs.




https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf2a8ae47.jpeg

clubman 07-10-20 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21579865)
Here's a re-build of a rusty 1973 Supercycle I picked up on Kijiji for $30. It was a testbed for powdercoating and to learn how to install decals for an upcoming 68 Superbe restoration. Runs really smoothly so far, once the heat breaks I'll take it on a longer ride to work out the bugs.




I like the 531 decals :) A Supercycle never had it so good!
And your handle...Bomarc missiles? The ones that killed the Avro Arrow?

Bomarc 07-10-20 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21580054)
I like the 531 decals :) A Supercycle never had it so good!
And your handle...Bomarc missiles? The ones that killed the Avro Arrow?

The smaller decals like 531 are pretty easy to install; longer ones on the seatube and downtube not so much. Next time I'll be more patient waiting for them to dry before removing the backing paper. I had a hard time truing the wheels - possibly because I used stainless washers under the spoke heads instead of softer brass? The new Sturmey Archer Fulcrum Clips (HSJ512) are pretty dismal, so hang onto your old ones. Otherwise everything went together pretty easily.

Sorry to disappoint, but Bomarc is just a name with no significance to me - like Steve French from TPB. But if it was pertaining to the missile program I surely would have installed Raleigh Blue Streak decals on the bike!

clubman 07-10-20 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21580132)

Sorry to disappoint, but Bomarc is just a name with no significance to me - like Steve French from TPB. But if it was pertaining to the missile program I surely would have installed Raleigh Blue Streak decals on the bike!

No disappointment, I'm not pro-missile, I produced a documentary 35 years ago on the history of the Avro Arrow so I have a historical interest. Look forward to the Superbe.

gster 07-10-20 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by branko_76 (Post 21579664)
That's not a modest shed. Are those half-lap joints holding the walls together?

...

Yes, half lap joints
it's a pre cut kit.
All CNC.
It fit together quite nicely with little fuss.
I think it's from Russia....

flypaca 07-10-20 04:05 PM

looking for 590 tires for 3 speed
 
This seemed to be the best shot at finding out where to get the older 26 1 3/8 tires for a conversion to 3 speed on an older Falcon frameset that I have. Without having to rebuild a wheelset. Having the 3 speed wheels already.

gster 07-11-20 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21580297)
No disappointment, I'm not pro-missile, I produced a documentary 35 years ago on the history of the Avro Arrow so I have a historical interest. Look forward to the Superbe.

My Uncle Bob was one of the thousands of mechanics that lost his job when the project was suddenly cancelled.
Is this the doc?

clubman 07-11-20 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21581559)
My Uncle Bob was one of the thousands of mechanics that lost his job when the project was suddenly cancelled.
Is this the doc

Nope, I hadn't seen that one. Mine was 'The Peaceable Kingdom' and was part of TVO's Speaking Out show, hosted by Harry brown back in '84. Not even in their archives anymore. :(

PeterLYoung 07-13-20 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21568993)
Bought myself a NOS BSA 3-speed hub a few days ago.
The thread on the axle of the original one in my 1954 BSA Tourer was badly damaged when I bought it many years ago, but finally failed completely last month, and nearly lost its nut.
The damage can be seen in the picture below.
So I am pretty happy I found a new one, as these things are very hard to find over here...
As an added bonus: it has a longer axle.

Peter

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c7100d453.jpg

Yes you would be very lucky to find a new axle and any other spares for these BSA 3 Speeds, fortunately they are very well made, I have three bikes using this 3 speed, I have overhauled them all and have a couple of spare units, they don't appear much even here in the UK though there must be a lot of old bikes around with them. Could you not get the thread recut, axle is probably fairly hard but you might find someone with the means to do it, even getting it metal sprayed to build up the axle to re cut the thread. DO NOT THINK OF THROWING IT AWAY!!!!!! God luck with it.

bluesteak 07-13-20 12:30 PM

Bsa
 
This past winter I overhauled a New Hudson child's bicycle. I was taken aback by the quality of the BSA parts.

So I concur. Try to find a good home for the old BSA hub and axle.

Salubrious 07-13-20 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 21579590)

165mm vs 170mm. Most Sports cranks were 165mm, but choose what works for your riding style first. I'm 5' 10" and prefer running 170s when possible, but 170mm Raleigh arms aren't easy to find.

-Kurt

I've only seen 170s on rod-brake machines. Usually the caliper brake models have 165s. Crank length should vary with your inseam; the longer cranks can be hard on the knees! Oddly, there is a bit of controversy over this topic, despite none over frame size, seat height and the like. My inseam is about 30" and 170s are the maximum I can handle- I do much better as far as my knees go on 165s.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
Hello guys. Sorry for bumping in here with this topic;you folks might have covered this before....but please share some info on this:

2)Square cranks / rounded cranks(cross-section)?

Dunelt cranks were often rounded FWIW.

6) Solid cranks and fluted cranks?
Fluted cranks were meant to be lighter- a bit more upscale. If the crank and chainwheel are one part though this won't be the case- its mostly appearance. The fluting was meant to look like cranks that actually had removable chainwheels, which were always fluted.

oldveloman 07-14-20 01:48 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21585063)
Yes you would be very lucky to find a new axle and any other spares for these BSA 3 Speeds, fortunately they are very well made, I have three bikes using this 3 speed, I have overhauled them all and have a couple of spare units, they don't appear much even here in the UK though there must be a lot of old bikes around with them. Could you not get the thread recut, axle is probably fairly hard but you might find someone with the means to do it, even getting it metal sprayed to build up the axle to re cut the thread. DO NOT THINK OF THROWING IT AWAY!!!!!! God luck with it.

Thanks, Peter.
Yes, I notice that all (hardened-) parts on the BSA are pretty hard, so recutting is not an option. Building up metal might be possible though...
And no, I never throw ANYTHING away... :lol:

Peter

oldveloman 07-14-20 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 21585209)
This past winter I overhauled a New Hudson child's bicycle. I was taken aback by the quality of the BSA parts.

So I concur. Try to find a good home for the old BSA hub and axle.

Yes, the quality of BSA- parts is to a very high standard.
Hub and internals are boxed and labelled ;)

Peter

arty dave 07-14-20 08:31 PM

I asked for 28 x 1 1/2 tire advice a few posts ago and ended up ordering the continental tour rides. They had some good on-line reviews, Big Chief likes them on his DL-1, and they look to have a tread that will be good for some fire trail/gravel riding. I also ordered a pair of alloy Ryde V38 Westwood rims at US$15.82 each. I think these might be what Pashley uses on their Guv'nors.
The 2 tires, 2 rims & postage (from Germany to Australia) came to US$79. They'll make a wheelset for a 50's roadster using a coaster brake nexus 7 hub, and a sturmey drum up front. I'll possibly strip the powdercoat from the rims and polish the alloy. I've read that gasket remover is a good thing to remove powdercoat from alloy.
They're in the postal system now, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes to get through Aussie customs with the covid backlog.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...19fd0d08bb.jpg


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