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RaleighBikeGuy 10-31-11 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by cazoo (Post 13420894)
Hello,

Would anyone know where I can find a set of nuts and bolts that attaches the rear fender and rear rack to the frame? It's goes right behind the rear dropout. This is for an old 72' Raleigh Sports.

Thanks.


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13421368)
Hardware store ?

Stainless would be the nicest way to go and nuts and bolts keep the original look... using a lock nut will ensure that they stay secure no matter how rough the roads get.

Presumably cazoo wants to use appropriate 26tpi fasteners, as the fender/rack eyelets are threaded. I don't have a source for you, but I do think that you have the right idea in finding 26tpi fasteners and not jamming something else from the hardware store in there.

Bike Cottage 10-31-11 09:13 PM

1966 Dunelt done. What do you think?
 
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Hey all, here is the built up Dunelt that I first posted on page 92 of this thread. I'm beyond happy with how it turned out. It's not perfect cosmetically, but how many of us are at 45? The coolest part for me is, the owner hasn't been on a bike in 25 years and I had no idea. I guess it just hadn't come up in conversation. The maiden voyage was this evening for her, and it was a bit sketchy but her confidence will be back in no time.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=225314http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=225315

FlatTop 10-31-11 09:28 PM

Good job! And I like to see these bikes wearing their original chrome rims, they are just the right amount of bling to set off the simple paint jobs.

photogravity 10-31-11 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by The Pistol (Post 13437149)
Hey all, here is the built up Dunelt that I first posted on page 92 of this thread. I'm beyond happy with how it turned out. It's not perfect cosmetically, but how many of us are at 45? The coolest part for me is, the owner hasn't been on a bike in 25 years and I had no idea. I guess it just hadn't come up in conversation. The maiden voyage was this evening for her, and it was a bit sketchy but her confidence will be back in no time.

She's a real beauty! I really like the colour of this machine. Old English 3-speeds are the bees knees atmo.

brianinc-ville 11-01-11 09:22 AM

Herculeses and other English 3-speeds in use by USAF 8th Bomber Command, 1942:
http://greensleevestoaground.files.w...210a_large.jpg
http://greensleevestoaground.files.w...c55e_large.jpg

blilrat 11-03-11 07:51 PM

How about an Italian English 3 speed? 59 Bianchi Milano Sport with an SA 3 speed. I cannot find anything about this bike other than one post on somebody's blog.

I'm in the process of cleaning her up and she needs new wheels. Is Sheldon Brown the only place I can get replacement rims - 26 x 1 3/8?

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...102_113723.jpg
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...102_113845.jpg
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Sixty Fiver 11-03-11 07:57 PM

You can buy CR18 rims in 650A... they seem to be the standard replacement for 26 by 1 3/8 rims and alloy 650A rims of this kind of quality are hard to find.

I was lucky to receive a small supply of vintage double walled Mavic rims in 650A... these are insanely nice but as far as I know, you can't buy these anymore.

Bike Cottage 11-03-11 08:12 PM

Wheelmaster still makes a 26 X 1 3/8 wheel in chrome plated steel. Neat bike

auchencrow 11-03-11 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by blilrat (Post 13450476)
How about an Italian English 3 speed? 59 Bianchi Milano Sport with an SA 3 speed. ...

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...102_113723.jpg

Wow, that is novel! I have to ask how did you come by that?

blilrat 11-03-11 08:28 PM

I was hoping to find aluminum rims. I missed the CR-18 part number. Looks like there are a lot of sources, thx.


It was on the local CL and I normally wouldn't buy something this rough, but it seemed unusual. There is a lot of rust and most of the decals are shot so I am just doing a clean up to get her on the road. It has really nice hand painted gold pinstriping to go with that black paint.

Sixty Fiver 11-03-11 09:10 PM

Bianchi is best known here for their road bikes but across the pond they manufactured and distributed a wide range of bicycles, many of them with a focus on urban transportation... sort of like Italy's answer to Schwinn or Raleigh.

Sixty Fiver 11-03-11 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by blilrat (Post 13450599)
I was hoping to find aluminum rims. I missed the CR-18 part number. Looks like there are a lot of sources, thx.

RMD80 is the CR18 650a model IIRC...

HercRider 11-03-11 11:37 PM

Speaking of English 3-speeds:
Picked this up yesterday; saw it on the Anchorage CL as "1970's Raleigh 3 speed" with a few grainy pics. I'm lucky enough to know folks who fly into Anchorage regularly who could pick it up and (eventually) deliver it to me in Sacramento for free.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...een2011020.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...een2011022.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...een2011025.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...een2011027.jpg

Sturmey Archer says '73, and there is rust everywhere, but not as bad as I thought it would be. The chain guard, rims and the chrome all need work, but the fenders had surprisingly little rust-just paint oxidation and no dents. The Brooks saddle is trashed, but I figured as much from the pictures.

Looking forward to tearing it apart and getting it cleaned up.

Brynley 11-05-11 12:58 PM

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I just picked up this '70 Rudge Sports off Craigslist and haven't done anything to it yet, except take off the leather saddlebag that needs to be fixed. I haven't seen many other Rudges around here (Boston area) and I just had to have that lovely chainring. The decals are in surprisingly good shape and there isn't too must rust. But the wheels, bottom bracket, and headset are all pretty gummed up and in dire need of servicing. The front of the Brooks saddle unfortunately ripped off as I was riding it to the car. I paid $100 so I hope these issues don't turn into too much of a headache

Anyone know much about the Rudge Sports? I understand it was one of Raleigh's top-tier 3-speeds, but I can't find much other information on rarity, where is was sold, etc.

cazoo 11-05-11 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 13421368)
Hardware store ?

Stainless would be the nicest way to go and nuts and bolts keep the original look... using a lock nut will ensure that they stay secure no matter how rough the roads get.

I was hoping to keep all the nuts/bolts to the original measurements. It doesn't seem like these are common enough to find anywhere. Thanks anyway.

rmisiano 11-05-11 07:25 PM

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I found this 1970 sport in my neighbors basement just as you see it, for 100.00 all original right to the tires and tubes great ride.

Velognome 11-05-11 08:08 PM

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Picked up a 24" Rudge Whitworth frame. Going to build up a set of 700's for some 45 or 47's tire for a plush ride. Drum brakes and 3 speeds will come via SA hubs. Planning on making this my errand runner around town.

cb400bill 11-05-11 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by rmisiano (Post 13457819)
I found this 1970 sport in my neighbors basement just as you see it, for 100.00 all original right to the tires and tubes great ride.

Looks great!

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1319629703

HercRider 11-05-11 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by Brynley (Post 13456794)
I just picked up this '70 Rudge Sports off Craigslist and haven't done anything to it yet, except take off the leather saddlebag that needs to be fixed. I haven't seen many other Rudges around here (Boston area) and I just had to have that lovely chainring. The decals are in surprisingly good shape and there isn't too must rust. But the wheels, bottom bracket, and headset are all pretty gummed up and in dire need of servicing. The front of the Brooks saddle unfortunately ripped off as I was riding it to the car. I paid $100 so I hope these issues don't turn into too much of a headache

Anyone know much about the Rudge Sports? I understand it was one of Raleigh's top-tier 3-speeds, but I can't find much other information on rarity, where is was sold, etc.

Very nice Rudge, looks to be in great shape and I think you made out-I've seen them from $150 to $250 on CL.
I assume youve read Sheldon Brown's info on 3-speeds?

HercRider 11-05-11 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by rmisiano (Post 13457819)
I found this 1970 sport in my neighbors basement just as you see it, for 100.00 all original right to the tires and tubes great ride.

Goodness, that looks like it hasn't been ridden 10 miles. Nice score!

auchencrow 11-06-11 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 13458010)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=225875http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=225874
Picked up a 24" Rudge Whitworth frame. Going to build up a set of 700's for some 45 or 47's tire for a plush ride. Drum brakes and 3 speeds will come via SA hubs. Planning on making this my errand runner around town.

Neat looking frame Velognome. Any idea on the age?
( I'll look forward to seeing how you build this one up! )

Velognome 11-06-11 12:22 PM


Neat looking frame Velognome. Any idea on the age?
Thanks, don't know the age for certian, i was told by the seller 1923. It was a 28" wheeled rod brake bike. The badge reads Rudge Whitworth Limited.


I'll look forward to seeing how you build this one up!
Gonna be a workhorse with a nod to it's heritage, definatley not a restoration. What I've decided so far is:

Brooks saddle
SA Hub brakes & IGH
VO's fluted fenders painted black with a white tail
Full chain case from Yellow Jesey
Rack? either a period rack with Brooks Bricklane panniers or Wald wire baskets.

I'll post more when the wheel set gets installed.

djkashuba 11-06-11 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 13459729)
Thanks, don't know the age for certian, i was told by the seller 1923. It was a 28" wheeled rod brake bike. The badge reads Rudge Whitworth Limited.



Gonna be a workhorse with a nod to it's heritage, definatley not a restoration. What I've decided so far is:

Brooks saddle
SA Hub brakes & IGH
VO's fluted fenders painted black with a white tail
Full chain case from Yellow Jesey
Rack? either a period rack with Brooks Bricklane panniers or Wald wire baskets.

I'll post more when the wheel set gets installed.

Could you please share your process for painting the V.O. fenders?

Thanks,

-D

noglider 11-06-11 03:44 PM

Brynley, you did great. I looked for a Rudge for 30 years before finding mine. It's the only English 3-speed that I like better than the Raleigh. Mine is a 1962 or so, and it doesn't have the cool chainring, so I'm envious.

Raleigh bought most of the English bike companies in 1960, including Rudge, and it continued making Raleighs with various names stamped on them, including Rudge. The Raleigh-made Rudges (such as yours and mine) have some Rudge-specific parts, such as the chainring (not mine) and the fork. I love the look of the fork.

The repairs are likely to be straightforward for you. It's a matter of disassembling, dissolving the grease, which has now turned to glue, regreasing, and reassembling.

Those saddles are still made, and you can get one, used or new. A couple of us on bikeforums are learning the craft of saddle recovering, which involves replacing the entire leather piece. They are very good saddles, and if you take care of them, they last longer than other types. Mine is original, and it has many cracks, but it's not falling apart.

Read about mine earlier on in this thread and also in the thread I started here.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...2/IMG_0289.JPG

Velognome 11-06-11 08:03 PM


Could you please share your process for painting the V.O. fenders?

Thanks,

-D

Pssst.....psssst..........psssssst...... was planning on a rattle can job

sorry?

el_spumante 11-07-11 01:34 PM

As the proud new owner of a 1974 Hercules (my wife also just bought a red 1972 LTD-3 in very good condition for $50 from CL) recently tuned up by my LBS, I've been having a lot of fun with my bike. But I'm also eager to make a few changes to our bikes, such as replacing the hard plastic grips with cork ones and swapping the mattress saddles for leather Brooks one.

I've done some searching online and in the archives, and it sounds like the Brooks B67 or B66 would be the way to go. From what I gather they are the same saddle, essentially, with the B67 being made for modern seatposts. So, my question is: would I be better off buying a B67 AND buying a new seatpost, OR would you recommend a B66 on the original seatpost? Pros/cons of going either way? And if I do go with the B67 and new seatpost, what size do I need--1"? I'm an absolute beginner when it comes to bicycles (aside from riding them for years), but I'm eager to learn how to do my own maintenance and restorations, and I've appreciated the advice here as I researched and purchased our 3-speeds.

Thanks for any advice.

Velognome 11-07-11 01:49 PM

I've often contemplated an alloy seatpost with a bit of a set back.......but the old steel post still resides in the seattube. So for that part, the bikes is still unadulterated. I'm for keeping it orignal and being content just thinking about all the new shiney stuff you can get.

djkashuba 11-07-11 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 13461198)
Pssst.....psssst..........psssssst...... was planning on a rattle can job

sorry?

No Sorry needed! I have rattle canned fenders too. Never attempted the white tail yet, but that's up next. Tape it off and touch it up? Primer first?

-D

Velognome 11-07-11 05:31 PM

Plan is to: prime, paint the tail, tape and paint the fender and then go back and add a pinstripe...I think

photogravity 11-07-11 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by blilrat (Post 13450476)
How about an Italian English 3 speed? 59 Bianchi Milano Sport with an SA 3 speed. I cannot find anything about this bike other than one post on somebody's blog.

I'm in the process of cleaning her up and she needs new wheels. Is Sheldon Brown the only place I can get replacement rims - 26 x 1 3/8?

Very nice machine indeed! I like cool Italian bikes that aren't cool because they have 3-speed internal gear hubs. :) Surely this bike will clean up nicely. I can't wait to see it after you've worked it over a bit.


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