kid riding electric bike FAST on a sidewalk
I really hope I don't have to come back to this thread at a later date to report an accident
this morning, on my drive to work, I saw a kid (12-14? yrs old) riding an electric bike, FAST on a sidewalk, next to me, in the opposite direction of traffic. someone pulling out of their auto's driveway, is not going to expect fast traffic coming from that direction. & lot's of homeowners on that stretch, do not have a clear line of sight due to hedges & trees. meaning, they have to stick their car's nose out, into that's kid's line of travel, before they even know the kid is coming |
Darwin will sort it out.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 23011953)
I really hope I don't have to come back to this thread at a later date to report an accident
this morning, on my way driving to work, I saw a kid riding an electric bike, FAST on a sidewalk, next to me, in the opposite direction of traffic. someone pulling out of their auto's driveway, it's going to expect fast traffic coming from that direction. & lot's of ppl on that stretch do not have a clear line of sight due to hedges & trees |
Originally Posted by Bald Paul
(Post 23012070)
We have a young (5-6 yr old?) kid in our development that rides an e-scooter. When he's coming down the hill, he's easily hitting speeds over 25 mph, barely in control. No helmet, no gloves, shorts and a t-shirt. A true Darwin contestant. You have to know that when the inevitable happens, the parents are going to sue the person he hits.
I'm, thinking I should send a letter to the local paper & the schools' Principals (in the immediate area) as a PSA. I can probably get a photo of the kid tomorrow, same time, if I set up my dash cam |
Regrettably, this is not an uncommon sight in our area, whether on a pedal bike, e-bike, or motorized bicycle. Drivers at intersections have been conditioned by years of experience to focus on areas where they expect conflicting traffic to appear, and not spend time looking in directions where they don't expect such traffic to appear (such as at high speed from a sidewalk in the opposite direction of traffic). When these riders crash at intersections, driveways, or other locations, the number of reported bicyclist crashes then is publicized as showing the metro area is "dangerous for bicycling". In some cities, wrong-way sidewalk riding is legally ambiguous or expressly permitted. And many police agencies don't see traffic enforcement of any bicycle laws as a priority, especially where organized groups of motorized bicycle users have complained to elected officials.
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It's getting ridiculous. There's kids (like 10-15 years old range or so) all over our area riding e-bikes, e-scooters, and little e-motorcycles (the ones that look like little motocross bikes) on the sidewalk, zig-zagging on and off the street, blowing through intersections w stop signs, stop lights, you-name-it. And FAST. Maybe 25% of them have helmets on. Obviously the parents bought them these things.
Aside from how stupid and reckless it all is, man, it's a rare sighting these days to see a young person pedaling an "analog" bike using their own physical power. Sad. |
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 23012076)
report it to the local police now, have it on record (because you certainly can't say anything to the moron parents)
I'm, thinking I should send a letter to the local paper & the schools' Principals (in the immediate area) as a PSA. I can probably get a photo of the kid tomorrow, same time, if I set up my dash cam |
Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23012195)
I've had parents very loudly insist, sometimes to the point of near-rage, that riding against traffic is ALWAYS preferable and safer, and that their child had better be riding against traffic or else, then giving their reasons (no overtaking, "can always see" conflicting traffic, etc.) No amount of citing traffic law or crash diagrams seems to have any effect, as they feel safer riding wrong-way.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 23012076)
report it to the local police now, have it on record (because you certainly can't say anything to the moron parents)
I'm, thinking I should send a letter to the local paper & the schools' Principals (in the immediate area) as a PSA. I can probably get a photo of the kid tomorrow, same time, if I set up my dash cam Some communities are offering new e-bike rider classes. Like most classes like that, most of the attendees are of the type that would ride responsibly anyway. The idiots won't bother, because they don't care. But, I can see a time in the near future where some type of safety class - and proof of attending one - may be required of e-bike and e-scooter riders. All it will take is some politician's kid to get clobbered by one while walking down the sidewalk. |
Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23012188)
Regrettably, this is not an uncommon sight in our area, whether on a pedal bike, e-bike, or motorized bicycle. Drivers at intersections have been conditioned by years of experience to focus on areas where they expect conflicting traffic to appear, and not spend time looking in directions where they don't expect such traffic to appear (such as at high speed from a sidewalk in the opposite direction of traffic). When these riders crash at intersections, driveways, or other locations, the number of reported bicyclist crashes then is publicized as showing the metro area is "dangerous for bicycling". In some cities, wrong-way sidewalk riding is legally ambiguous or expressly permitted. And many police agencies don't see traffic enforcement of any bicycle laws as a priority, especially where organized groups of motorized bicycle users have complained to elected officials.
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I can see into the future when e-bike riders reminisce the time they could call their vehicles a bicycle, and did not have to have a License, or License plate, or State Inspection, or Liability Insurance, and could drive on the side walk.
Beware the modern day prophecy... Ha |
Originally Posted by Bald Paul
(Post 23012217)
I seriously doubt law enforcement would even bother with ...
anyway, not to point this at you, but that's my approach to reporting stuff ... |
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 23011953)
lot's of homeowners on that stretch, do not have a clear line of sight due to hedges & trees. meaning, they have to stick their car's nose out, into that's kid's line of travel, before they even know the kid is coming
Doesn't matter if the ped is in the right or wrong, visibility needs to not be impeded. |
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 23012374)
I hear this a lot about stuff. & I feel the same way sometimes. but when I make a call & say what I saw, it is recorded. I repeat myself, to be sure the recording is complete. it doesn't matter what the person who answered the call says. I've completed my roll in the process. there's nothing else I can do. I can not control their behavior, only my own. it's not my job to connect any dots, draw any conclusions, or take action. we don't know if there was another call about the same kid, or a near miss, or whatever. that's what they do, connect the dots. if we don't make our call & someone else doesn't make their call. there are no dots to connect
anyway, not to point this at you, but that's my approach to reporting stuff ... |
Originally Posted by Bald Paul
(Post 23012444)
sometimes I just feel like that crazy old guy yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
Dr Rick ... who knew he had a name. I may need a session |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 23012436)
This has been a fast growing issue & needs to be addressed by the local ordinances. It's never enforced, but the wording is typically in place for it.
Doesn't matter if the ped is in the right or wrong, visibility needs to not be impeded. Also, no static traffic control device such as signs or markings has been effective in changing this behavior. Some dynamic devices (such as the illuminated "animated eyes" proposed by Van Houten et al several years ago) have shown some effect in encouraging drivers to look for crossing pedestrians, but may not be effective for higher-speed users entering from unexpected directions. |
You know what will make people pay more attention?
having a frequent presence of a traffic enforcement official. |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 23012913)
You know what will make people pay more attention?
having a frequent presence of a traffic enforcement official. |
Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23012990)
It may improve their ingrained behavior, but it's not going to suddenly get them to look in directions they don't usually look. In fact, they may be so focused on the enforcement offiical as to actually spend less time looking around as they should.
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there are gas scooters being ridden on the sidewalks in the neighborhood where I work. We see it regularly when we take lunch walks. A coworker has said something twice, and neither person cared.
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Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23012195)
I've had parents very loudly insist, sometimes to the point of near-rage, that riding against traffic is ALWAYS preferable and safer, and that their child had better be riding against traffic or else, then giving their reasons (no overtaking, "can always see" conflicting traffic, etc.) No amount of citing traffic law or crash diagrams seems to have any effect, as they feel safer riding wrong-way.
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I have been observing bicyclists of all ages riding against traffic my entire life. Sadly the schools tell children to walk against traffic which is a good idea and so the child thinks that this applies to riding their bicycle. Sadly even when 40 years latter as an adult they start to again ride a bicycle they often repeat the same dangerous behavior.
In the 1970's when city and state engineers started to paint lines for bike lanes they often put riders in situations where they would be going against the flow of traffic or past freeway off-ramps where motorist would not be expecting them. Unfortunately engineers are no better today then they were 50 years ago. Something about engineers that keeps them from being able to learn as they age. |
when out in the street, a runner/walker isn't held to motorized traffic laws, but a cyclists is. that should be a really quick conversation with anyone arguing anything different.
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I do wonder how much of these stories don't get reported....
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Originally Posted by pbass
(Post 23018175)
We cyclists (especially mountainbikers) all know the totally reliable phenomenon of, "if you look at the obstacle, you go towards to obstacle".
For just one example, a very minimal standard of operator competency is to be able to look for cross traffic without swerving. Several of the drills we use in both safe-driving and race-driving schools exist precisely to implement this training. The fact that there exist people like yourself, who believe it is acceptable for operators to only be capable of staring straight ahead or weaving all over the road, is testament to the abysmal standard of operator instruction that persists. |
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