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sykerocker 03-14-11 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 12359191)
Here is my wife's sport!
Even for a woman's frame Im in love too.



http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...r/IMG_9111.jpg

Finally! I haven't seen a Sports in that color since the one I owned back in 1973. Thank you. I was beginning to think it was a flashback from all the acid, and not grounded in reality.

Sixty Fiver 03-14-11 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by ahson (Post 12361603)
I will have a shop to build up two wheels for my Raleigh in the next month or so, and I am just wondering what kind of spokes should I get for them? I am getting the Sun CR-18 alloy rims, 36h.

Get some decent spokes... DT or Wheelsmith double butted will make for a nicer wheel and order up spoke washers (nominal cost) for the rear as the SA steel flange is thinner than a modern alloy flange and this will also make for a better wheel build.

Onegin 03-15-11 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 12361508)
That looks suspiciously like the Lake Pepin overlook on the Wisconsin side...

I noted the remarkable similarity when I was there as well. ;)

ahson 03-15-11 09:14 AM

A grey color one?
 
I see an ad on my local market and it's a grey color Raleigh. I've never seen one in grey and just curious is that a custom paint by someone or it's the original color?

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/...5256c3_20.jpeg

Amesja 03-15-11 10:52 AM

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I have a silver step-through Sports that I'm working on right now. from '78

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=193713

The paint isn't very durable, or at least not this example. Looks like it was poorly done with over-spray on the headtube all over the lugs and the silver-gray is runny and milky-see-through on the rear triangle something horrible. Perhaps the paint quality at the Nottingham factory was really suffering by that later date.

clubman 03-15-11 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by ahson (Post 12363420)
I see an ad on my local market and it's a grey color Raleigh.

Original...typical Canadian market Sports with mattress saddle and self adjusting levers. You'll see Supercycle branded Raleighs in the same colour.

gna 03-15-11 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Onegin (Post 12362373)
I noted the remarkable similarity when I was there as well. ;)

Are you riding the DL1 this year? My wife and I will be there.

Originally Posted by ahson (Post 12363420)
I see an ad on my local market and it's a grey color Raleigh. I've never seen one in grey and just curious is that a custom paint by someone or it's the original color?

A friend has a grey one. It's a mid '70s model. He'll be at Lake Pepin, too.


Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 12363909)
I have a silver step-through Sports that I'm working on right now. from '78

The paint isn't very durable, or at least not this example. Looks like it was poorly done with over-spray on the headtube all over the lugs and the silver-gray is runny and milky-see-through on the rear triangle something horrible. Perhaps the paint quality at the Nottingham factory was really suffering by that later date.

I fixed up a late '70s silver Sports for one of my wife's friends. The paint was awful, with several areas peeling. The silver seems to be especially bad, but the paint quality on the late '70s little blue Sports I got from Khatful is pretty bad, too.

Amesja 03-15-11 12:11 PM

The frame isn't very well built either. It's straight and doesn't seem to have been in a crash but the lugs seem to have been beat on pretty bad when it was put together like the guy who was building it was having a very bad day after a rough night out drinking. It looks like he beat on it with a rubber hammer and this is below the paint so I'm pretty sure it happened on assembly. Nothing that your average person would notice unless they were looking for it and I'm sure it'll still be a fine bike for whoever ends up with it -just that the quality control at the end times for Nottingham must have been a bit spotty and stuff like this was more common and was allowed to pass out the door.

It must have been a sad time indeed for a once-proud company which used to be on top of the world building higher-end bikes.

noglider 03-15-11 03:54 PM

Yes, I think 1975 through 1978 was the worst period of workmanship from Raleigh. Those dates are approximate. Someone else can fine-tune them. Sturmey Archer was also down in those years, though not nearly as bad.

Sixty Fiver 03-15-11 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 12365345)
Yes, I think 1975 through 1978 was the worst period of workmanship from Raleigh. Those dates are approximate. Someone else can fine-tune them. Sturmey Archer was also down in those years, though not nearly as bad.

Those 70's Raleighs were still pretty decent bikes... SA hubs started to suffer from a lack of QC in the sixties and when Sun race took them over none of their tooling was up to acceptable standards and pretty much had to be rebuilt from the ground up.

In some respects those 70's Raleighs got better when they started using Suntour drive parts in 76-77.

noglider 03-15-11 04:04 PM

They worked fine and rode fine. I'm talking about the brazing workmanship, with all the gaps and blobs. My 1971 Super Course is clean, so the bad period seems to have come later. Aaron has a Raleigh International with a fender eyelet on one rear dropout and nothing on the other dropout. D'oh!

And I agree that Japanese parts which came in 1976 were an improvement.

Sixty Fiver 03-15-11 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 12365391)
They worked fine and rode fine. I'm talking about the brazing workmanship, with all the gaps and blobs. My 1971 Super Course is clean, so the bad period seems to have come later. Aaron has a Raleigh International with a fender eyelet on one rear dropout and nothing on the other dropout. D'oh!

And I agree that Japanese parts which came in 1976 were an improvement.

Some of the workmanship on the frames left a little to be desired... something about drunken Welshman working on the assembly line.

:lol:

Seems to have affected the higher end models rather than the lower end ones... and on 20's.

Take a look at the welds on your bottom bracket and you will know what I mean... the British models seem to have been finished a little better than the export models.

Onegin 03-15-11 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 12364165)
Are you riding the DL1 this year? My wife and I will be there.

Planning on it! Got to get some better brake pads first. I'm holding up my end on the waitlist at this point, so no guarantees yet.

JohnDThompson 03-15-11 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 12364165)
Are you riding the DL1 this year? My wife and I will be there.


A friend has a grey one. It's a mid '70s model. He'll be at Lake Pepin, too.



I fixed up a late '70s silver Sports for one of my wife's friends. The paint was awful, with several areas peeling. The silver seems to be especially bad, but the paint quality on the late '70s little blue Sports I got from Khatful is pretty bad, too.

I'll be there with my Superbe. I'm not sure if my wife can make it this year (May is always busy in the public schools), but I may be able to persuade my daughter to come in her stead.

gna 03-15-11 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 12348054)
More a resurrection than a restoration...

I picked up a bare 1960s Raleigh Sports women's frame & fenders at ABCE last fall and have just finished building up as a campus bike for my daughter:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/frankenbike/completed.jpg

Now we just need all that snow to melt.

Us too. We melted some today, though.

What did you use for the cranks and spindle? Was it hard to find something that fit?

24fps 03-15-11 09:30 PM

It's an original color. A friend of mine has a bike that looks just like that (but his isn't blurry), except in a womens' frame.

Onegin 03-16-11 01:06 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 12366650)
Us too. We melted some today, though.

First rainy day of the year, that's got to be worth something, right?

Schwinnsta 03-17-11 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 12348054)
More a resurrection than a restoration...

I picked up a bare 1960s Raleigh Sports women's frame & fenders at ABCE last fall and have just finished building up as a campus bike for my daughter:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/frankenbike/completed.jpg
Now we just need all that snow to melt.


Is the rear rack original? If not what kind is it. It looks good.

Schwinnsta 03-17-11 10:13 AM

On the original Raleigh Sprort, the saddle bag has a leather patch with the two slots, located on the bottom of the bag. What is it forr?

rhm 03-17-11 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 12373391)
On the original Raleigh Sprort, the saddle bag has a leather patch with the two slots, located on the bottom of the bag. What is it forr?

A third strap, much like the two that secure it to the seat loops, goes through that and around the seat post. Keeps the whole thing from flopping around. You can do without (but I don't).

ColonelJLloyd 03-17-11 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by sykerocker (Post 12361836)
Finally! I haven't seen a Sports in that color since the one I owned back in 1973. Thank you. I was beginning to think it was a flashback from all the acid, and not grounded in reality.

Here's mine. 1973 Sports in Ivory Glaze. The women's frame was available in this color for a few years, I believe. As was the 21" men's model. However, I think the 23" model was only available in this color in 1973, making it somewhat rare (as much as the ubiquitous Sports can be, I suppose).

Unfortunately I'm going to have to part with it. There's no Sports in my future. A 23" is just too small.

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...12880457310001


http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...12880456510001

Panaracer Col de la Vie tires rule.

Sixty Fiver 03-17-11 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 12373655)
Here's mine. 1973 Sports in Ivory Glaze. The women's frame was available in this color for a few years, I believe. As was the 21" men's model. However, I think the 23" model was only available in this color in 1973, making it somewhat rare (as much as the ubiquitous Sports can be, I suppose).

Unfortunately I'm going to have to part with it. There's no Sports in my future. A 23" is just too small.

Guess you need a full size roadster then... :)

That is a pretty bike... have never seen one in that colour in the wild and I live in Raleigh rich territory.

ColonelJLloyd 03-17-11 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 12373661)
Guess you need a full size roadster then... :)

Yeah, a 24" DL-1 would do, but I'm not crazy about a 40+ lb bike with rod brakes. It's just not something I need (as if that's the criterion I use with any bike purchase). I will probably build an approximation around a sport-touring road frame at some point.

Sixty Fiver 03-17-11 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 12373681)
Yeah, a 24" DL-1 would do, but I'm not crazy about a 40+ lb bike with rod brakes. It's just not something I need (as if that's the criterion I use with any bike purchase). I will probably build an approximation around a sport-touring road frame at some point.

My Rudge only weighed 38 pounds... a veritable lightweight.

wahoonc 03-17-11 04:07 PM

Here is a picture of the latest acquisition...

1973 Raleigh Colt step through for my bride, along with my 1972 Superbe.

Aaron :)

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/47...600x600Q85.jpg


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