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BigChief 10-13-17 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19927314)
What do you guys recommend for pedals? One of my
Wald ones is ruined and I can get another set but I wanna see other options

Also I have come to the conclusion that the 64 was rear ended by something due to the rear fender damage along with a few other things. Nothing major but itís there...lol

There is also a registration number on the Georgia AFB decal
On said fender so I am going to see if I can find the owner if he is still around :)

For once, we have a wide choice of pedals. Any 9/16" will work. You could find pre-reflector Raleigh pedals on ebay, but for me, If it's a bike I plan on putting real riding mileage on I like the MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I do veer away from originality on my regular riding bikes when it comes to saddles, pedals and hand grips. I did find some soft rubber black grips that are the same shape as the original Dare grips for my roadster that I like. Best of both worlds there, but I use a modern seat with central relief and the MKS pedals for comfort.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4492/...f5f0640e_k.jpgDL-1 finished by Billy Bones, on Flickr

johnnyspaghetti 10-13-17 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19927314)
What do you guys recommend for pedals? One of my
Wald ones is ruined and I can get another set but I wanna see other options

Also I have come to the conclusion that the 64 was rear ended by something due to the rear fender damage along with a few other things. Nothing major but it’s there...lol

There is also a registration number on the Georgia AFB decal
On said fender so I am going to see if I can find the owner if he is still around :)

The original pedals are good pieces and would be better to stick with them due to the serviceability of them.
What exactly is wrong with the pedal?
What makes you think its ruined?

I have 4 Raleigh Sports(I only need 1)all in great working used condition and all have bent fenders, scratches dents some better some worse. 2 of them are 57 yrs old a 55yr old and a 49 yr old. All work perfect & have the original cables. Its called "patina"

All you can do aside of replacing them is straighten them the best you can with out marring paint or decals.
My daily rider I have to hook on a rack vertical on a the train bike rack regular basis the fender bottom below the reflector shows by flattening out . Once in a while I may bend/reshape it with my hand.

It would be a wasted effort to think you may find info 20-30-40 yr old info on a parking permit.

noglider 10-13-17 01:19 PM

Like @3speedslow, I also have a thang for Rudges. I'm glad this one is in Neal's deserving and trustworthy hands.

Scipunk 10-13-17 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19927645)
For once, we have a wide choice of pedals. Any 9/16" will work. You could find pre-reflector Raleigh pedals on ebay, but for me, If it's a bike I plan on putting real riding mileage on I like the MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I do veer away from originality on my regular riding bikes when it comes to saddles, pedals and hand grips. I did find some soft rubber black grips that are the same shape as the original Dare grips for my roadster that I like. Best of both worlds there, but I use a modern seat with central relief and the MKS pedals for comfort.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4492/...f5f0640e_k.jpgDL-1 finished by Billy Bones, on Flickr

Thats a fine looking bike and i do like me some metal pedals :) Ill look into those!


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19927712)
The original pedals are good pieces and would be better to stick with them due to the serviceability of them.
What exactly is wrong with the pedal?
What makes you think its ruined?

I have 4 Raleigh Sports(I only need 1)all in great working used condition and all have bent fenders, scratches dents some better some worse. 2 of them are 57 yrs old a 55yr old and a 49 yr old. All work perfect & have the original cables. Its called "patina"

All you can do aside of replacing them is straighten them the best you can with out marring paint or decals.
My daily rider I have to hook on a rack vertical on a the train bike rack regular basis the fender bottom below the reflector shows by flattening out . Once in a while I may bend/reshape it with my hand.

It would be a wasted effort to think you may find info 20-30-40 yr old info on a parking permit.

How do you service them, i can't see how to open it without flattening the W shaped tab , one of the pedals bearing are outta grease or something, if i can service it ill keep them.

The rear fender is almost flat...lol and half the white paint is missing, but i understand and won't repaint her i like the color :)

BTW i found a 63 in the same original color in near perfect condition but he want's $250 for it which is way too much for me :/

dweenk 10-13-17 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19927712)
The original pedals are good pieces and would be better to stick with them due to the serviceability of them.
What exactly is wrong with the pedal?
What makes you think its ruined?

I have 4 Raleigh Sports(I only need 1)all in great working used condition and all have bent fenders, scratches dents some better some worse. 2 of them are 57 yrs old a 55yr old and a 49 yr old. All work perfect & have the original cables. Its called "patina"

All you can do aside of replacing them is straighten them the best you can with out marring paint or decals.
My daily rider I have to hook on a rack vertical on a the train bike rack regular basis the fender bottom below the reflector shows by flattening out . Once in a while I may bend/reshape it with my hand.

It would be a wasted effort to think you may find info 20-30-40 yr old info on a parking permit.

I have to agree. I have 2 root beer colored Raleigh Sports, one is nearly pristine and the other (my regular ride) has lots of patina. There is more black undercoat than topcoat showing on my regular rider, but for some reason I prefer to ride it.

Salubrious 10-13-17 01:43 PM

Regarding pedals, the Lyotard 460 is the pedal that MKS copied with their Sylvan Touring.

Most of them are alloy and are available in English thread as well. But they were also available in chrome, which seems a nicer fit on a workhorse British 3-speed (I have a set on my 72 Superbe). Here is the very thing on ebay right now:

Vintage Lyotard 460A Chrome Pedals Retro Road Racing Touring Bike Eroica 60s | eBay

nlerner 10-13-17 01:51 PM

Rudge update: Upon closer inspection, the rear wheel is not a Raleigh-pattern rim, but a Schwinn S5/597mm:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/...6950ecd9_c.jpg

I also realized that it came with a 22-tooth rear cog, so that was a nice surprise.

I slapped on the EA1 wheelset I have (Weinmann alloy rims, S-A alloy shell AW hub w/ that 22-t cog), moved the front brake pads up just a smidge, removed the front and rear lamps, swapped in a different set of bars/stem for the heck of it (apologies for the 1970s GB stem!), put on a brass-plated S-A trigger, and replaced the mattress saddle with an @rhm recovered Brooks. Kind of a scorcher look:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4510/...c4a340ce_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4454/...6d0381e5_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4504/...a86b701d_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/...a70351d5_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/...60a743bb_c.jpg

I only rode it around the block for a test ride (needed to adjust the shifter cable, of course), and I'll take it for a 3-mile fun run in a bit to fulfill my obligations for the Three-Speed October Challenge.

BigChief 10-13-17 04:05 PM

She's looking much better already. Really pleased this Rudge found such a good home. Keep the updates coming!

squirtdad 10-13-17 04:09 PM

the grantchester series on PBS features what looks to be a Raleigh....and often the main character is just flying on the bike.....proves they are not slow :)



http://tellyspotting.kera.org/wp-con...er-holiday.jpg

gster 10-13-17 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19927883)
Rudge update: Upon closer inspection, the rear wheel is not a Raleigh-pattern rim, but a Schwinn S5/597mm:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/...6950ecd9_c.jpg

I also realized that it came with a 22-tooth rear cog, so that was a nice surprise.

I slapped on the EA1 wheelset I have (Weinmann alloy rims, S-A alloy shell AW hub w/ that 22-t cog), moved the front brake pads up just a smidge, removed the front and rear lamps, swapped in a different set of bars/stem for the heck of it (apologies for the 1970s GB stem!), put on a brass-plated S-A trigger, and replaced the mattress saddle with an @rhm recovered Brooks. Kind of a scorcher look:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4510/...c4a340ce_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4454/...6d0381e5_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4504/...a86b701d_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/...a70351d5_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/...60a743bb_c.jpg

I only rode it around the block for a test ride (needed to adjust the shifter cable, of course), and I'll take it for a 3-mile fun run in a bit to fulfill my obligations for the Three-Speed October Challenge.

Nice project and a quick turnaround.

nlerner 10-13-17 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19928709)
Nice project and a quick turnaround.

Thanks! This coming week itíll get a proper overhaul and cleaning, but I was eager to try out the concept.

johnnyspaghetti 10-14-17 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19928720)
Thanks! This coming week it’ll get a proper overhaul and cleaning, but I was eager to try out the concept.

You are having too much fun for a mere mortal human.

Scipunk 10-14-17 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19927861)
Regarding pedals, the Lyotard 460 is the pedal that MKS copied with their Sylvan Touring.

Most of them are alloy and are available in English thread as well. But they were also available in chrome, which seems a nicer fit on a workhorse British 3-speed (I have a set on my 72 Superbe). Here is the very thing on ebay right now:

Vintage Lyotard 460A Chrome Pedals Retro Road Racing Touring Bike Eroica 60s | eBay

I do like those a lot. Let me ask, are the D versions that different? They are so much less expensive...lol

nlerner 10-14-17 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19929484)
You are have too much fun for a mere mortal human.

Have you been talking to my wife?!

3speedslow 10-14-17 04:20 PM

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Had a great ride on the Sport today. Longest outing with the new pin. No problems to report. Went across city to get tennis balls for the Wife's walker. On the way home found 5 dollars in the street!

Later on I found a street in my huge neighborhood called Tweed. Could be useful.

I have finally found some brass tubing for cable making. Actually have more then I will ever use.

BigChief 10-14-17 04:41 PM

Yup, one package gives you a lifetime supply. You can also use them to end out your brake cables for a unique touch.

BigChief 10-15-17 09:12 AM

I've been having fun tracking down these small details on old Raleighs. I guess I'm a historian by nature. I have to make a correction. I just saw a 1950 catalog I missed at VCC library. It clearly shows brazed on guide wheel lugs. I don't see a 48 catalog, so for now I'll say Raleigh used them from 1950-1961 by catalog and hub date reckoning. So far, I have the gravestone shaped top tube lug pegged at 1955-1957 and now I know that the bullet shaped fork dropout joint started sometime around 1963.
So here's another feature question. This stem has a different shape than the ones I'm used to seeing. It's necked down to the clamp, stamped with "patent number" instead of Sir Walter and somebody took the time to grind the joint smooth at the back. A bit less boxy and more elegant than the later versions I think. I've never had a Raleigh with this style stem. If anybody here has one, I'd love to know the hub date. Thanks

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/...e05218a1_z.jpgstem01 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

SirMike1983 10-15-17 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19930014)
Had a great ride on the Sport today. Longest outing with the new pin. No problems to report. Went across city to get tennis balls for the Wife's walker. On the way home found 5 dollars in the street!

Later on I found a street in my huge neighborhood called Tweed. Could be useful.

I have finally found some brass tubing for cable making. Actually have more then I will ever use.

Would you please let me know what were the specs for this tubing? I have Bell Systems crimpers in my tool box for making Raleigh brake cables and for making Sturmey set-length shifter cables. I do not have the tubing yet for the shifter cables though. Thanks.

3speedslow 10-15-17 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19931482)
Would you please let me know what were the specs for this tubing? I have Bell Systems crimpers in my tool box for making Raleigh brake cables and for making Sturmey set-length shifter cables. I do not have the tubing yet for the shifter cables though. Thanks.

Only spec I know is brass 3/32 diameter to be used for this. I got this pack at Hobby Lobby.

SirMike1983 10-15-17 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19931630)
Only spec I know is brass 3/32 diameter to be used for this. I got this pack at Hobby Lobby.

Thanks - I've got some on order. Have a Raleigh DL-1 export model project this fall/winter to do and it may come in handy.

BigChief 10-15-17 04:02 PM

My one experiment with only crimping this brass tubing failed. It's not as strong as the steel tubing SA used for their crimped cables. Which was the problem with them really. Many times the heavier steel and deep crimps would jam in the shifter and bind up in the adjuster barrel. I have been using JB Weld and a single light crimp on this brass tubing for a few years now and none have failed. It's just as strong as silver braze.

PilotFishBob 10-15-17 04:13 PM

@Scipunk, off-topic from this thread but a wild guess - are you into William Gibson?

3speedslow 10-15-17 04:30 PM

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Did not have the day I wanted. When I finally got loose, I jumped on my bike and had a stomp. It actually makes my 3rd for the Challenge.

Got back, had a Fat Tire. Nice Belgian White.

Scipunk 10-15-17 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFishBob (Post 19931732)
@Scipunk, off-topic from this thread but a wild guess - are you into William Gibson?

I have heard of him but i have not read any of his work. I am more into steampunk (the name is derived from my steampunk themed scion xa I used to have) :) I do appreciate cyberpunk as well though!

To be fair my friend want's me to steampunk up my 73 Sports and i am considering it :D

PilotFishBob 10-15-17 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19931770)
I have heard of him but i have not read any of his work. I am more into steampunk (the name is derived from my steampunk themed scion xa I used to have) :) I do appreciate cyberpunk as well though!

To be fair my friend want's me to steampunk up my 73 Sports and i am considering it :D

Oh do! Please do! ;)


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