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52telecaster 10-04-19 11:55 AM

This is why i covet 36 hole hubs! I have an aluminum cased aw in 36 that i will die with.

Salubrious 10-04-19 01:34 PM

40 hole rims are still around for tandem machines.

jackbombay 10-04-19 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21150268)
40 hole rims are still around for tandem machines.

But you end up with a much heavier rims than is needed for a non tandem bicycle.

gster 10-05-19 03:03 PM

1971 AMF Hercules
I've had this bike for several years and have never really
ridden it. Too small, slab saddle etc.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6a4ee85737.jpg
Someone before me spent a bit of money on it.
The rims, spokes and tires are new.
New cables and pads etc.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74812d059a.jpg
I had it for sale at the Bike Show with no takers...
But it may go to a friend of mine in need of a bike
at a reasonable price.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dc9b15f209.jpg

Ged117 10-05-19 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21151361)
1971 AMF Hercules
I've had this bike for several years and have never really
ridden it. Too small, slab saddle etc.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6a4ee85737.jpg
Someone before me spent a bit of money on it.
The rims, spokes and tires are new.
New cables and pads etc.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74812d059a.jpg
I had it for sale at the Bike Show with no takers...
But it may go to a friend of mine in need of a bike
at a reasonable price.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dc9b15f209.jpg

Are those the Schwalbe delta cruiser tires in white wall? They look pretty good with the black paint. I'll have to come for the vintage bike show next year. Trinity Bellwoods Park usually right?

JohnDThompson 10-05-19 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 21150268)
40 hole rims are still around for tandem machines.

Even in 650A (590mm bead seat diameter)? Not even Tandems East seems to carry them. :(

gster 10-05-19 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21151489)
Are those the Schwalbe delta cruiser tires in white wall? They look pretty good with the black paint. I'll have to come for the vintage bike show next year. Trinity Bellwoods Park usually right?

Yes, those are the tires.
Bike show is a lot of fun.
Not sure about next year but will keep you posted.

gster 10-06-19 07:04 AM

Wishful Thinking
Listed on Kijiji, Toronto
1961 Raynal 3 Speed
@ $999.00
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British 3 speeds typically are listed around here for $40.00-$250.00.
I've never heard of the Raynal brand.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...816f4a1c33.jpg

Ged117 10-06-19 09:50 AM

1950s Raleigh Mens 23 inch
 
This is listed near Montreal on kijiji. I think it's a 1954 or so based in the tubing transfer. It has an AG or FG hub. A few years newer than mine and needs work. Very cool and tempting, but I already have one and a '72 ladies Sports in blue coming this week for restoration.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f7e605f12.jpg
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nlerner 10-06-19 10:09 AM

Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

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52telecaster 10-06-19 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21152098)
Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

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Excellent. I have a couple of those shifters and a chromolly schwinn framset that will get that treatment.

Ged117 10-06-19 03:44 PM

This bike is posted locally, and I'm trying to identify it before I go see it. It looks interesting and I think 1950s, but I'm not sure about that color and also the cable braze-on is missing. From looking around, it looks like this color was offered at some point in the 50s, but is rare to find now. What do you guys think? It has the old style 3/4 speed shifter too.

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clubman 10-06-19 06:16 PM

The trigger appears to be early 50's. The front brake caliper has been replaced with newer version but rear looks original. 23" frame? We saw that candy red here in the 50's, not a metallic like carmine. Bars look like wider replacements.
Worth it if it's cheap.

irideiam 10-06-19 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21151361)
1971 AMF Hercules
I've had this bike for several years and have never really
ridden it. Too small, slab saddle etc.

Someone before me spent a bit of money on it.
The rims, spokes and tires are new.
New cables and pads etc.

I had it for sale at the Bike Show with no takers...
But it may go to a friend of mine in need of a bike
at a reasonable price.

How tall is it?

paulb_in_bkln 10-06-19 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21152098)
Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

Not one for drop bars anymore, me, but everything else, nice project. I am especially impressed at the fantastically low weight.

gster 10-07-19 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by irideiam (Post 21152733)
How tall is it?

It's a 21" frame.

Ballenxj 10-07-19 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21152098)
Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

Beautiful build, and I like just about everything about it, however I'm not sure drop bars are for me anymore either. Sure looks nice though. :thumb:
Quick question, What type headlamp is that?

nlerner 10-07-19 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21153169)
Quick question, What type headlamp is that?

Itís a Bausch & Muller Lumotec IQ Cyo:

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/...hoCGsAQAvD_BwE

rustystrings61 10-07-19 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21152098)
Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...89ebe4c0_c.jpg

Lovely build!

gster 10-07-19 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21152098)
Here are some pics of a French-ish 3-speed IGH project that I finished up yesterday. Base is an early 70s Jeunet 630 frame that I bought from a forum member. The lack of a derailleur hanger, Reynolds steel tubing, and 650B conversion potential made it particularly useful. It's been painted a lovely battleship grey, and the fork it came with is not original, but it's English-threaded and sized, which made it easier to fit with headset and stem than if it were French.

Rear hub is a 40-hole alloy shell AW w/ 20t cog, Nervar 122bcd crankset with 45t ring, MKS sneaker pedals, Weinmann 750 CP brake rear w/ extender brake shoes for a bit more reach, front Weinmann CP brake with steel straddles, Shimano brake levers (sorry, but I really prefer the performance of aero levers!), Campy 26.4mm seatpost, Brooks saddle recovered by @rhm, some old GB touring bars, Nitto technomic stem, Compass 650b x 38mm tires, front Synergy rim w/ S-P dyno hub, B&M front lamp, Sturmey-Archer bar-end shifter. Total weight is a shade over 24 lbs, which is pretty darn good for a bike with both an IGH and a front dynamo.

I've only taken it for a short shake-down ride, but it felt very good so far. Everything functioned as it should, and the ride was stable and smooth. Those bars are very narrow; I usually prefer narrow bars, but these are pushing that preference! I'll try commuting on it a few times this week and see what needs to be changed, if anything.

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A very handsome machine.
I quite like the mottled saddle.

Ballenxj 10-07-19 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21153210)
Itís a Bausch & Muller Lumotec IQ Cyo:

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/...hoCGsAQAvD_BwE

Thanks. I thought it looked good, and now I see it's more than just a pretty face. :thumb:

gster 10-07-19 11:51 AM

Something Positive
I ordered a couple of Kenda K23 tires from Amazon at a good price for
the EA1 rims I've been accumulating.
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They arrived quite quickly and fit the rims well.
I also like the simple ribbed tread on them.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dcb4ab6b05.jpg
They'll go on the Humber Club bike
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd365dec6e.jpg
It still needs some sorting out.
A new shifter cable hasn't helped a sticky hub that may need to be opened up.

BigChief 10-07-19 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21152083)
This is listed near Montreal on kijiji. I think it's a 1954 or so based in the tubing transfer. It has an AG or FG hub. A few years newer than mine and needs work. Very cool and tempting, but I already have one and a '72 ladies Sports in blue coming this week for restoration.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f7e605f12.jpg
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I like this one a lot. Tall frame, paint looks like it might gloss up with some polishing. Chain ring may even clean up. 54 is a good year. It still has the old style lugs, but has the lighter, stronger hi carbon steel tubing. I think this bike would be well worth the effort even if it needed new rims and bits here and there.

sd5782 10-07-19 12:40 PM

1987 Sears Free Spirit Sheffield 3 Speed
 
My son alerted me to this bike at curb down the street. He noticed gunwalls, meaning it may be vintage. I went for a look and saw Kendas with almost all their tread and a Sturmey Archer. My old Huffy Sportsman aka Raleigh Sports needed a better front wheel, so home it came. It was missing a seat. Hub said 86-12, so I thought it was probably made in 1987. Fork was loose, brakes were sticky and mal-adjusted and bike needed a good going over. It was obvious, however that this bike was hardly ridden, as pedals and grips and paint and wheels were all very nice. Too nice to part out.

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Cleaned and seat added
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SA-AW 86-12 with 20 tooth sprocket
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Taiwan


Most research shows little love and much disdain with Heavy being mentioned most. I got the scale out and 34lbs as it sits. maybe 2 lbs more than my Huffeigh and 4lbs less than the wife's Schwinn Breeze. I cleaned it up a bit, lubed and adjusted the head bearings and front wheel bearings. Several things were not right from someone working on it that I corrected. A slurry of grease/oil down seat tube to lube crank bearings that were in fine adjustment. New brake cables, and oil on the somewhat rusty chain. Mostly just recreational work. Quality seemed better than the 73 Breeze.

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Brake cable braze-ons
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nice lug work
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clean workmanship, don't like this style kickstand


All in all, I am pretty impressed with this compared to my Huffeigh and Schwinn. Now for the ride; it rode wonderfully. It had a nice feel. It was perhaps not quite as lively as my Sports, but nowhere near as dead feeling as the Schwinn. A nice "neutral" feel, well balanced and not cheap feeling at all. I plan on giving it to the son to neighborhood ride with his girlfriend. I will go to the co-op to find a slightly taller seat post and see if I can find a stem with a bit more reach as he is about 6'tall.

Moral of the story, don't believe all the negative hype until you try first.

Ged117 10-07-19 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21152650)
The trigger appears to be early 50's. The front brake caliper has been replaced with newer version but rear looks original. 23" frame? We saw that candy red here in the 50's, not a metallic like carmine. Bars look like wider replacements.
Worth it if it's cheap.

That's why I am curious. Its listed for very cheap and close by. I just thought it was odd that the cable pulley post is missing. Looks like that colour was available but rare. You can see the black enamel underneath.


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21153668)
I like this one a lot. Tall frame, paint looks like it might gloss up with some polishing. Chain ring may even clean up. 54 is a good year. It still has the old style lugs, but has the lighter, stronger hi carbon steel tubing. I think this bike would be well worth the effort even if it needed new rims and bits here and there.

The trick is that the bike is very far away, about 3.5 hours drive. I'm trying to decide between those two. One is nearby and probably 50s and a weird orange red colour, and cheap. The other is far and very cool, but in a colour I have already and about $75 more.


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