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Ged117 11-16-19 02:32 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6785a23cdb.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cd0304a22c.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd26cf6e42.jpg

The rear reflector is a Japanese unit. The originally must've been damaged and replaced.

noglider 11-16-19 04:21 PM

@Ged117, that's beautiful.

gster 11-16-19 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21211722)
Picked this up after meeting BF member WGB this morning. Had some good bike talk despite the bitter cold winds. I'm going to take my time with this one. Can't wait to see it go in the spring alongside my Superbe. Cool Raleigh memorabilia included thanks to WGB.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...afd6c487b5.jpg

'56 with SW hub (two part indicator)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1a42626072.jpg


Front hub oiler.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4bdf614268.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1f6eb20767.jpg


Shifter in nice shape.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7500c0484c.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ca3c75c34a.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e23b63305d.jpg

Other side of indicator. I didnt know the two piece was put in production so early on the SW hubs.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77de6b8d5d.jpg

Booklet is a time capsule. And, is that what i think it is?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b1b2be2d99.jpg

Bottom bracket oiler
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...293ae3e5d7.jpg

She approves.

Looks like a good project.
Those vintage composite saddles are quite durable.

nlerner 11-16-19 05:25 PM

I actually have one of those pin tools, and it is the right size for removing an S-A hub from its shell, but it doesn’t offer any leverage whatsoever. I’ll stick with a hammer and punch.

Ballenxj 11-16-19 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21211429)
last one
I think it's a Greek poster.
I don't think anyone can complain about her outfit....
.

I think the Greeks were a little ahead of us for back then. ;)

paulb_in_bkln 11-16-19 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21210584)
I never realized so many pretty girls liked Raleigh Choppers. I always thought they were over stylized and too juvenile. Perhaps I was over thinking the issue.

Probably a fetish thing and the photog couldn't afford a motorcycle for the photoshoot.

paulb_in_bkln 11-16-19 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21212006)
I actually have one of those pin tools, and it is the right size for removing an S-A hub from its shell, but it doesnít offer any leverage whatsoever. Iíll stick with a hammer and punch.

I thought that tool was meant for the bottom bracket lock ring.

jackbombay 11-16-19 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21212006)
I actually have one of those pin tools, and it is the right size for removing an S-A hub from its shell, but it doesnít offer any leverage whatsoever. Iíll stick with a hammer and punch.

Tap on it with a hammer to crack it loose?

BigChief 11-16-19 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21211828)

I'm not sure that this reflector didn't come on the bike originally. Although, I wish I knew more about Canadian Raleighs. So many things were different from what I find in the US and catalogs. For example, red and blue Superbes with 2 tone paint and chrome fork socks. It didn't surprise me to see this different and very pretty green Sports with white mudguards in Canada. I know Raleigh had manufacturing facilities in Canada, but I'm not sure exactly what was produced there. It seems to me that they may have done their own painting in Canada for the Canadian market. There's a chance that they also used different reflectors than the usual black rubber cased units with the RI logo. Pretty sure those were made by Lucas in England. This bike is in such nice condition and, except for the Hunt Wilde grips, is totally original that it's hard to imagine the reflector needing replacement. Just a guess.

Ged117 11-17-19 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21211943)
Looks like a good project.
Those vintage composite saddles are quite durable.

It's a B66 in nice shape. I'm not sure about adjusting the tension or not.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c566ef7959.jpg

gster 11-17-19 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21212281)
I'm not sure that this reflector didn't come on the bike originally. Although, I wish I knew more about Canadian Raleighs. So many things were different from what I find in the US and catalogs. For example, red and blue Superbes with 2 tone paint and chrome fork socks. It didn't surprise me to see this different and very pretty green Sports with white mudguards in Canada. I know Raleigh had manufacturing facilities in Canada, but I'm not sure exactly what was produced there. It seems to me that they may have done their own painting in Canada for the Canadian market. There's a chance that they also used different reflectors than the usual black rubber cased units with the RI logo. Pretty sure those were made by Lucas in England. This bike is in such nice condition and, except for the Hunt Wilde grips, is totally original that it's hard to imagine the reflector needing replacement. Just a guess.

The "Made" in Canada Raleighs seem to appear in the mid 70's.
I have a green Superbe that is more of a forest green.
I don't know if the bikes were made here or just assembled here.
It all had to do with tariffs on imported bikes to protect domestic builders.

gster 11-17-19 07:28 AM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e434138e02.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f42215bf2.jpg

BigChief 11-17-19 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21212402)
The "Made" in Canada Raleighs seem to appear in the mid 70's.
I have a green Superbe that is more of a forest green.
I don't know if the bikes were made here or just assembled here.
It all had to do with tariffs on imported bikes to protect domestic builders.

It's just that when it comes to Canadian Raleighs, a lot of the rules I've learned about Raleighs here in the States don't apply. They seemed to have acted independently with some things. On a US export model, I would expect to see a heron transfer and a RI logo reflector mounted maybe an inch higher on the rear mudguard, but on a Canadian model, I can't say. The overall patina of the bike looks consistent to me. The only thing I'm comfortable about calling replacements are the handlebar grips.

gster 11-17-19 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21212580)
It's just that when it comes to Canadian Raleighs, a lot of the rules I've learned about Raleighs here in the States don't apply. They seemed to have acted independently with some things. On a US export model, I would expect to see a heron transfer and a RI logo reflector mounted maybe an inch higher on the rear mudguard, but on a Canadian model, I can't say. The overall patina of the bike looks consistent to me. The only thing I'm comfortable about calling replacements are the handlebar grips.


This bike, being a '56, would be British built probably for the Canadian market.
I guess they thought we liked white accents because of all the snow....

BigChief 11-17-19 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21212610)
This bike, being a '56, would be British built probably for the Canadian market.
I guess they thought we liked white accents because of all the snow....

Ah, so 1956 predates the Canadian plants? British build does then suggest the reflector is a replacement. Somehow, the detective in me isn't happy with the broken then replaced reflector explanation. Well, doesn't matter. Looks fine the way it is. I wouldn't replace it.

gster 11-17-19 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21212904)
Ah, so 1956 predates the Canadian plants? British build does then suggest the reflector is a replacement. Somehow, the detective in me isn't happy with the broken then replaced reflector explanation. Well, doesn't matter. Looks fine the way it is. I wouldn't replace it.

Your detective skills are well tuned.

PeterLYoung 11-18-19 04:15 AM

Sunbeam Wayfarer 1949/50
 
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2fd1237346.jpg
Bike as acquired.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1eab36107.jpg
North Road Flat Bars

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0fee51419.jpg
It has a Lucas Mileometer

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97dcce31ec.jpg
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb7d5b00de.jpg
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270821e1b1.jpg
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59848867f.jpg
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a1576fb12c.jpg
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle

BigChief 11-18-19 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21213509)
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2fd1237346.jpg
Bike as acquired.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1eab36107.jpg
North Road Flat Bars

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0fee51419.jpg
It has a Lucas Mileometer

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97dcce31ec.jpg
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb7d5b00de.jpg
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270821e1b1.jpg
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59848867f.jpg
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a1576fb12c.jpg
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle

Wow what a great find. Somebody took good care of this roadster over the years. Darn near perfect. Great bike.

PeterLYoung 11-18-19 05:51 AM

Thanks your comments, yes pretty good order, totally an accidental find and very reasonably priced.

gster 11-18-19 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21213509)
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2fd1237346.jpg
Bike as acquired.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1eab36107.jpg
North Road Flat Bars

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0fee51419.jpg
It has a Lucas Mileometer

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97dcce31ec.jpg
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb7d5b00de.jpg
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270821e1b1.jpg
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59848867f.jpg
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a1576fb12c.jpg
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle

A good score.
I like the chrome fork tips.

oldveloman 11-18-19 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21213509)
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.

Very nice find, Peter!

Sunbeam was part of BSA until Raleigh took over BSA in 1957, so you' ll need a shifter like this one - introduced in 1948.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a510229a0a.png

Peter

Ballenxj 11-18-19 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 21213509)
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.

SWEET! And that looks to be a serious Bike carrier on your VW as well. I was going to ask about those brakes, but I see you have already mentioned their stiffness. I have to wonder if a shot of PB Blaster inside the cable housings might help?

WGB 11-18-19 10:14 AM

@Ged117

1956 Raleigh Sports and goodies

Best thing about it was the paint job! I guarantee that I will have a lot more rust on me when I'm '63!

gster 11-18-19 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by oldveloman (Post 21213736)
Very nice find, Peter!

Sunbeam was part of BSA until Raleigh took over BSA in 1957, so you' ll need a shifter like this one - introduced in 1948.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a510229a0a.png

Peter

Hoop Rider in Owen sound have one for sale
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/produ...-speed-shifter

I've dealt with them in the past and was very pleased.

gster 11-18-19 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21207994)
Does anyone know the model # or year of the Sturmey Archer 3 speed shifter. Been searching for awhile and cant find any info on it?
It is for sale on Ebuy but nothing for info. I really like it and would like to know more.
Thank you
Brian


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baa6481a0a.jpg

3 speed SA
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eac0f3822e.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d1c3352c4d.jpg

These guys have a set of NOS handles/knobs
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/produ...b-hsj675---nos


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