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Velo Vol 01-12-22 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370931)
Don't get me wrong, I love the EV for lots of reasons and we'll likely have another at some point. It just took me hours of research to learn the shortcomings, which ended up tempering my expectations of what I could do with it. At this point in time, I would not have one as my only car, especially it I wanted to travel with it.

The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

big john 01-12-22 09:26 AM

When I worked at Chevy we had a level 2 charge station in the shop and 4 more in the sales area, plus one level 3 (DC) charge station. Customers were told they could get charged for free if they had a Chevy product but the stations were usually filled with new cars or service cars making it hard for someone to just drive in and get a charge.
There is a mall nearby with 5 Tesla charge stations and some others, too.

Not all EVs are fast charge capable (level 3). It was never an option on the Volt. It was optional on the Spark and I think it has become standard on the Bolt.

I worked on electric cars for 10 years and I can see the advantages and one would work for me (if I could fit a bike in it) for the little driving I do but there is no way I could justify the cost. I paid less than $3k for my beater Trailblazer nearly 8 years ago.

If I had an EV and I wanted to take a trip with sketchy range issues I would just rent a car.

big john 01-12-22 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)
The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

The world is far more ready for e-bikes than it is for e-cars.

Mojo31 01-12-22 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)
The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

Not as a commuting tool, no.

WhyFi 01-12-22 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22370923)
The furthest we generally travel by car is ~200 miles from one house to the other so itís right in the wheelhouse of an EV. Plus the same w/ kids and stops on longer trips. Crap, if we can make it the 3.5 hours to Marblehead without stopping bits a miracle.

Yeah, in the summer, day/weekend trips are more common for us, and those are generally around 200 miles, as well. I think that all trims of the EV6 are rated for close to 300 miles, some close to 400, IIRC. They're supposed to have stupid fast 80% or 90% charge times, too, provided you can find the right charger (which is where the apps/planning websites come in). When we take the long trips to VA, 500 miles is generally the longest day that I'll sign up for.

WhyFi 01-12-22 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22370925)
Considering the 303S from PBK even without a bike to put them on.

I absolutely love mine, but there's no going back on tubeless when you get them. The nice thing, though, is that they've made tubeless easier - seating tires with just a track pump has been easy peasy (though I never tried it with the Pro One Evo Addix, and those tires are off the board for me, anyway, since they don't stay bead-locked when deflated).

The only minor niggles, bedside no POEA, is the lack of drain hole (internal rim chamber can get waterlogged if you're caught in a deluge) and that the freehub body will pull straight off, no tools (or much cajoling) required, so you have to pay a bit of attention.

Other than that? Light, roll nicely, comfy pressures, they look sweet, have an awesome "**** happens" warranty, etc, etc.

WhyFi 01-12-22 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370931)
It can be done, but adds a level of complexity and additional time to each trip.

When you talk to other EV owners about such things, make sure you exclude Tesla owners from that discussion unless you plan to get a Tesla. The reason is that Tesla's infrastructure is the largest, and they have the really fast superchargers. But, the connector for their superchargers is very proprietary and there is no hack to use them with cars other than Teslas. However, you can get an adapter so you can use Tesla's slower Level 1 and 2 chargers.

I looked into whether I could take my Taycan to see my kid at school, which is an easy 2.5 hour drive at 170 miles. I have plenty of range to get there, but once there there are only Level 1 and 2 chargers available. For a Level 2 charge, that would mean leaving the car overnight to charge from 20% to 80%. A Level 1 charge takes more than a full day.

Level 3 charging stations are pretty far and few between, and the reality of a 15 to 30 minute charge as you drive cross-country is not very real at this time. If it wasn't for being able to have a Level 2 charger in my garage, I would find it really burdensome.

My car has an 800 volt architecture, which is capable of recharging at very high speeds. The problem is finding a Level 3 charger (and one that works when you find it). In my town of 60k people in the middle of DFW, there is 1 Level 3 charger (50 kW), and it is a block from my office. When I first got the car and before I had my home charger sorted, I plugged into it. I sat in a Walgreens lot for 30 minutes only to get about a 20% charge. The closest charge point to me that supports the 800 volt platform is about 45 minutes away.

Don't get me wrong, I love the EV for lots of reasons and we'll likely have another at some point. It just took me hours of research to learn the shortcomings, which ended up tempering my expectations of what I could do with it. At this point in time, I would not have one as my only car, especially it I wanted to travel with it.

Yup, I'm aware. One of my buddies followed my lead, got solar panels and then jumped headlong in to electric. He's got a VW ID.4 and we've discussed quite of bit of the real-life limitations.

Velo Vol 01-12-22 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22370993)
The world is far more ready for e-bikes than it is for e-cars.

I'll let you know when it's ready.

big john 01-12-22 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371018)
I'll let you know when it's ready.

We may not want one but they are totally viable for commuting and recreational riding.

Velo Vol 01-12-22 09:51 AM

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WhyFi 01-12-22 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22370962)
interesting the push for EV when the country doesnít have the infrastructure sorted out to handle EV. If you only have one level 3 charger near you, and you are in an actual city I canít imagine whatís in my area.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions based solely on Level 3 chargers - the infrastructure is certainly more fleshed out than I'd assumed a year or so ago. Also, there weren't a ton of gas stations when cars started rolling off of the line ages ago, either - infrastructure and adoption grow hand-in-hand.

That said, almost all of your hometown charging is going to be in your own garage and the vast majority of people stay well within the range of an EV on a day-to-day basis. Hell, most people can get away with the miniscule electric-only range of a PHEV.

Oh, and let's not forget that he lives in oil country :p

phrantic09 01-12-22 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22370962)
interesting the push for EV when the country doesnít have the infrastructure sorted out to handle EV. If you only have one level 3 charger near you, and you are in an actual city I canít imagine whatís in my area.

I donít understand why we donít see them going in at gas stations etc. I understand that theyíre costly, but charge 1.5x the electricity cost and get the additional convenience store spend from folks with EVs and youíre good to go IMO. Maybe itís oversimplification

Velo Vol 01-12-22 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371043)
I donít understand why we donít see them going in at gas stations etc. I understand that theyíre costly, but charge 1.5x the electricity cost and get the additional convenience store spend from folks with EVs and youíre good to go IMO. Maybe itís oversimplification

Is the charging attachment universal?

Mojo31 01-12-22 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22371032)
I wouldn't jump to conclusions based solely on Level 3 chargers - the infrastructure is certainly more fleshed out than I'd assumed a year or so ago. Also, there weren't a ton of gas stations when cars started rolling off of the line ages ago, either - infrastructure and adoption grow hand-in-hand.

That said, almost all of your hometown charging is going to be in your own garage and the vast majority of people stay well within the range of an EV on a day-to-day basis. Hell, most people can get away with the miniscule electric-only range of a PHEV.

Oh, and let's not forget that he lives in oil country :p

Let me tell you that I get a lot of s**t for having the car working in the oil industry as much as I do. :p

But, I didn't get the thing to be virtuous. I got it because it is FAST and a really cool car.

Having worked with some people to develop lithium mines, I'm fully aware of the environmental impact of EVs. They are not as clean as one might like to think.

I've had no problem using mine as much as I want using just the Level 2 charger in my garage. Our drive trips rarely exceed 200 miles, but I also have two other ICE vehicles available for that stuff.

Mojo31 01-12-22 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371043)
I donít understand why we donít see them going in at gas stations etc. I understand that theyíre costly, but charge 1.5x the electricity cost and get the additional convenience store spend from folks with EVs and youíre good to go IMO. Maybe itís oversimplification

I've wondered that myself. It could be that having high voltage electrical systems in close proximity to large underground tanks of highly combustible fuel may not be a good idea, but that's pure speculation.

BillyD 01-12-22 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22370795)
I feel the same way.

My "old man cyclist" group has breakfast every Monday in the Winter but I 've missed a few because a couple aren't vaxxed. I'm the last to chime in on whether I'm going or not; I want to see the attendance list first. :lol:

I'm not cycling today. My limit is 55į . . . or 50 if the wind is blowing.

Mojo31 01-12-22 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)
Is the charging attachment universal?

No.

There are 3 different fast charge (DC) plugs: CCS, CHAdeMo, and Tesla supercharger.

There are 2 different Level 2 plugs: J1772 (every US car but Tesla) and Tesla. There is an adapter that allows you to use a Tesla Level 2 charger with the J1772 plug.

phrantic09 01-12-22 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)
Is the charging attachment universal?

believe so, or close to


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371056)
I've wondered that myself. It could be that having high voltage electrical systems in close proximity to large underground tanks of highly combustible fuel may not be a good idea, but that's pure speculation.

I would venture more that they are prohibited from doing so by the fuel companies theyíre franchised with.

big john 01-12-22 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)
Is the charging attachment universal?

I only know of 2 types. One for level 1 and 2 and another for level 3, which is essentially the same with an additional piece for the DC. Someone said Tesla has their own connector design but that seems counterproductive.

Mojo beat me to it.

BillyD 01-12-22 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22370896)
LSS works out in the pool at Walter Reed three times a week and frequently shops at the exchange and Whole Foods on the way home. If we get it I'm blaming her.

I'm going to continue staying away from the gym for awhile, at least until this latest surge abates somewhat. I just don't trust other people to be conscientious. I've got some at home routines to keep me buff ... er, fit.

Mojo31 01-12-22 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22371080)
I only know of 2 types. One for level 1 and 2 and another for level 3, which is essentially the same with an additional piece for the DC. Someone said Tesla has their own connector design but that seems counterproductive.

Mojo beat me to it.

That's just Elon Musk and his ways.

Mojo31 01-12-22 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22371081)
I'm going to continue staying away from the gym for awhile, at least until this latest surge abates somewhat. I just don't trust other people to be conscientious. I've got some at home routines to keep me buff ... er, fit.

And throngs of groupies to keep you entertained apparently.

big john 01-12-22 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371072)



I would venture more that they are prohibited from doing so by the fuel companies theyíre franchised with.

Any gas station I have worked in has been plagued with a shortage of parking. Having charge stations would be a pain for a busy gas station especially if there was a shop.

BillyD 01-12-22 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370948)
Man, you are too old for that nonsense! Glad there are no broken bones or bikes.

I totally agree, but this guy is tough AF.

big john 01-12-22 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371083)
That's just Elon Musk and his ways.

Yeah, he's weird.

rjones28 01-12-22 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)
The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

You know you want one.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...70b1d69082.png

rjones28 01-12-22 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370995)
Not as a commuting tool, no.

My commuter...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0b4fe35e5.png

BillyD 01-12-22 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22371080)
I only know of 2 types. One for level 1 and 2 and another for level 3, which is essentially the same with an additional piece for the DC. Someone said Tesla has their own connector design but that seems counterproductive.

Mojo beat me to it.

I still have questions. There's a charging station in my town that seems to consist of about a dozen units, all labeled Tesla. So I say to myself, "This community isn't so wealthy that 12 Tesla's will need to simultaneously line up for recharges." If only Teslas can charge there it seems 3 or 4 units should be more than enough. How long does a full recharge take anyway?

Velo Vol 01-12-22 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371072)
believe so, or close to

I would venture more that they are prohibited from doing so by the fuel companies theyíre franchised with.

One issue with transitioning is the space required. Charging takes more time per auto than gas.

BillyD 01-12-22 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371085)
And throngs of groupies to keep you entertained apparently.

No, that's the gym scene. I miss that part the most. :lol:


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