Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370931)

Don't get me wrong, I love the EV for lots of reasons and we'll likely have another at some point. It just took me hours of research to learn the shortcomings, which ended up tempering my expectations of what I could do with it. At this point in time, I would not have one as my only car, especially it I wanted to travel with it.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)

The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)

The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22370923)

The furthest we generally travel by car is ~200 miles from one house to the other so it’s right in the wheelhouse of an EV. Plus the same w/ kids and stops on longer trips. Crap, if we can make it the 3.5 hours to Marblehead without stopping bits a miracle.

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22370925)

Considering the 303S from PBK even without a bike to put them on.

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370931)

It can be done, but adds a level of complexity and additional time to each trip.

When you talk to other EV owners about such things, make sure you exclude Tesla owners from that discussion unless you plan to get a Tesla. The reason is that Tesla's infrastructure is the largest, and they have the really fast superchargers. But, the connector for their superchargers is very proprietary and there is no hack to use them with cars other than Teslas. However, you can get an adapter so you can use Tesla's slower Level 1 and 2 chargers.

I looked into whether I could take my Taycan to see my kid at school, which is an easy 2.5 hour drive at 170 miles. I have plenty of range to get there, but once there there are only Level 1 and 2 chargers available. For a Level 2 charge, that would mean leaving the car overnight to charge from 20% to 80%. A Level 1 charge takes more than a full day.

Level 3 charging stations are pretty far and few between, and the reality of a 15 to 30 minute charge as you drive cross-country is not very real at this time. If it wasn't for being able to have a Level 2 charger in my garage, I would find it really burdensome.

My car has an 800 volt architecture, which is capable of recharging at very high speeds. The problem is finding a Level 3 charger (and one that works when you find it). In my town of 60k people in the middle of DFW, there is 1 Level 3 charger (50 kW), and it is a block from my office. When I first got the car and before I had my home charger sorted, I plugged into it. I sat in a Walgreens lot for 30 minutes only to get about a 20% charge. The closest charge point to me that supports the 800 volt platform is about 45 minutes away.

Don't get me wrong, I love the EV for lots of reasons and we'll likely have another at some point. It just took me hours of research to learn the shortcomings, which ended up tempering my expectations of what I could do with it. At this point in time, I would not have one as my only car, especially it I wanted to travel with it.

Originally Posted by big john (Post 22370993)

The world is far more ready for e-bikes than it is for e-cars.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371018)

I'll let you know when it's ready.

Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22370962)

interesting the push for EV when the country doesn’t have the infrastructure sorted out to handle EV. If you only have one level 3 charger near you, and you are in an actual city I can’t imagine what’s in my area.

Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22370962)

interesting the push for EV when the country doesn’t have the infrastructure sorted out to handle EV. If you only have one level 3 charger near you, and you are in an actual city I can’t imagine what’s in my area.

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371043)

I don’t understand why we don’t see them going in at gas stations etc. I understand that they’re costly, but charge 1.5x the electricity cost and get the additional convenience store spend from folks with EVs and you’re good to go IMO. Maybe it’s oversimplification

Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22371032)

I wouldn't jump to conclusions based solely on Level 3 chargers - the infrastructure is certainly more fleshed out than I'd assumed a year or so ago. Also, there weren't a ton of gas stations when cars started rolling off of the line ages ago, either - infrastructure and adoption grow hand-in-hand.

That said, almost all of your hometown charging is going to be in your own garage and the vast majority of people stay well within the range of an EV on a day-to-day basis. Hell, most people can get away with the miniscule electric-only range of a PHEV.

Oh, and let's not forget that he lives in oil country :p

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371043)

I don’t understand why we don’t see them going in at gas stations etc. I understand that they’re costly, but charge 1.5x the electricity cost and get the additional convenience store spend from folks with EVs and you’re good to go IMO. Maybe it’s oversimplification

Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 22370795)

I feel the same way.

My "old man cyclist" group has breakfast every Monday in the Winter but I 've missed a few because a couple aren't vaxxed. I'm the last to chime in on whether I'm going or not; I want to see the attendance list first. :lol:

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)

Is the charging attachment universal?

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)

Is the charging attachment universal?

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371056)

I've wondered that myself. It could be that having high voltage electrical systems in close proximity to large underground tanks of highly combustible fuel may not be a good idea, but that's pure speculation.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22371046)

Is the charging attachment universal?

Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22370896)

LSS works out in the pool at Walter Reed three times a week and frequently shops at the exchange and Whole Foods on the way home. If we get it I'm blaming her.

Originally Posted by big john (Post 22371080)

I only know of 2 types. One for level 1 and 2 and another for level 3, which is essentially the same with an additional piece for the DC. Someone said Tesla has their own connector design but that seems counterproductive.

Mojo beat me to it.

Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22371081)

I'm going to continue staying away from the gym for awhile, at least until this latest surge abates somewhat. I just don't trust other people to be conscientious. I've got some at home routines to keep me buff ... er, fit.

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371072)

I would venture more that they are prohibited from doing so by the fuel companies they’re franchised with.

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370948)

Man, you are too old for that nonsense! Glad there are no broken bones or bikes.

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371083)

That's just Elon Musk and his ways.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22370977)

The world's not ready for ebikes, either.

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22370995)

Not as a commuting tool, no.

Originally Posted by big john (Post 22371080)

I only know of 2 types. One for level 1 and 2 and another for level 3, which is essentially the same with an additional piece for the DC. Someone said Tesla has their own connector design but that seems counterproductive.

Mojo beat me to it.

Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22371072)

believe so, or close to

I would venture more that they are prohibited from doing so by the fuel companies they’re franchised with.

Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22371085)

And throngs of groupies to keep you entertained apparently.