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Velo Vol 01-13-22 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372852)
If you fail a check up you could never do your job again?

How does one fail?

genejockey 01-13-22 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22372791)
The FDA isn't contagious, but it sure allows the killing of our population. Their decisions influence much of our day to day life.

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You could also put "Sucrose" on the first shirt. The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse for you than sucrose. It's that it's cheaper so it gets put in more stuff.

genejockey 01-13-22 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372852)
Question. If for your career that you have worked your whole life for required you to go to a doctor every 6 months for a check up in order to keep your job, would you be as willing to put a vaccine that didnít go through all of the normal trials in your body? If you fail a check up you could never do your job again?


Disclosure I was vaccinated, but only becuase I didnít want it to interfere with my new job.

That's not relevant here, though. COVID vaccines went through the same FDA approval process as other vaccines.

LAJ 01-13-22 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22372856)
You could also put "Sucrose" on the first shirt. The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse for you than sucrose. It's that it's cheaper so it gets put in more stuff.

We subsidize so much corn, we need to do something with it. Let's make even more sugar!

genejockey 01-13-22 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22372867)
We subsidize so much corn, we need to do something with it. Let's make even more sugar!

But the FDA isn't the one subsidizing it.

Mojo31 01-13-22 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372852)
Question. If for your career that you have worked your whole life for required you to go to a doctor every 6 months for a check up in order to keep your job, would you be as willing to put a vaccine that didnít go through all of the normal trials in your body? If you fail a check up you could never do your job again?


Disclosure I was vaccinated, but only becuase I didnít want it to interfere with my new job.

There sure are enough pilots who put alcohol, cocaine, and other stuff through their systems, yet still pass the physicals, so why not a vaccine that has been the subject of arguably the largest clinical trial ever conducted?

To answer your question though, if I thought a vaccine could increase my odds of not dying, then yes I'd give up my career for that. There are lots of ways to make money. If I didn't get the vaccine and died from Covid, then what good is my career?

Mojo31 01-13-22 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22372858)
That's not relevant here, though. COVID vaccines went through the same FDA approval process as other vaccines.

Have you watched Dope Sick? Gives a good perspective on the FDA.

big john 01-13-22 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22372804)
Should move it.

It's been an issue since 1950. Another site was chosen in Chile but everyone didn't move. Some stuff can still be done with the 100 inch telescope where Hubble used to work. There is also a solar tower scope and study center and the CHARA array of thermo? scopes which aren't bothered by light pollution.

There is a small museum and a cafe with a large patio/deck which is a great bicycle destination when the roads are open. After climbing thousands of feet there's nothing like a slice of home made apple pie before riding back down. Sometimes I get a PB and J sandwich.
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bampilot06 01-13-22 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22372875)
There sure are enough pilots who put alcohol, cocaine, and other stuff through their systems, yet still pass the physicals, so why not a vaccine that has been the subject of arguably the largest clinical trial ever conducted?

To answer your question though, if I thought a vaccine could increase my odds of not dying, then yes I'd give up my career for that. There are lots of ways to make money. If I didn't get the vaccine and died from Covid, then what good is my career?



Theres a lawsuit proposed to the FAA that any pilot who has received the vaccine be stripped of their medical, until such test can provide that they are medically sound to continue working.

Hopefully that does not go through but it is still out there and growing strength from what I hear.

genejockey 01-13-22 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22372885)
It's been an issue since 1950. Another site was chosen in Chile but everyone didn't move. Some stuff can still be done with the 100 inch telescope where Hubble used to work. There is also a solar tower scope and study center and the CHARA array of thermo? scopes which aren't bothered by light pollution.

There is a small museum and a cafe with a large patio/deck which is a great bicycle destination when the roads are open. After climbing thousands of feet there's nothing like a slice of home made apple pie before riding back down. Sometimes I get a PB and J sandwich.

That sounds great, but the time I rode up to the observatory on Mt Hamilton I'd have traded an entire apple pie for a cup of hot coffee!

genejockey 01-13-22 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372888)
Theres a lawsuit proposed to the FAA that any pilot who has received the vaccine be stripped of their medical, until such test can provide that they are medically sound to continue working.

Hopefully that does not go through but it is still out there and growing strength from what I hear.

Oh, for the love of mike. When that gets tossed out of court, I hope there are penalties for the attorneys who filed it.

MoAlpha 01-13-22 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372852)
Question. If for your career that you have worked your whole life for required you to go to a doctor every 6 months for a check up in order to keep your job, would you be as willing to put a vaccine that didnít go through all of the normal trials in your body? If you fail a check up you could never do your job again?


Disclosure I was vaccinated, but only becuase I didnít want it to interfere with my new job.


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22372858)
That's not relevant here, though. COVID vaccines went through the same FDA approval process as other vaccines.

Seriously. The COVID vaccines went through all the normal trials. They got them done in record time, but they were done. A lot of confusion comes from the fact that the vaccines were first used under and Emergency Use Authorization before approval earlier this year.

Other vaccines have had longer periods of post-market surveillance (sometimes called a Phase IV clinical trial) because they are older, but these vaccines had the same degree and duration of scrutiny as other vaccines when they were approved.

MoAlpha 01-13-22 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372888)
Theres a lawsuit proposed to the FAA that any pilot who has received the vaccine be stripped of their medical, until such test can provide that they are medically sound to continue working.

Hopefully that does not go through but it is still out there and growing strength from what I hear.

Not a chance in hell.

Mojo31 01-13-22 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372888)
Theres a lawsuit proposed to the FAA that any pilot who has received the vaccine be stripped of their medical, until such test can provide that they are medically sound to continue working.

Hopefully that does not go through but it is still out there and growing strength from what I hear.

How are they going to prove inability to safely and properly fly the plane with a vaccine? I'd think the opposite would be easier since having the disease results in shortness of breath and loss of certain capabilities.

Mojo31 01-13-22 04:19 PM

If Covid has its way, all the anti-vaxers will ultimately go away. Then maybe we won't have to deal with the crazies and stupid people.

Now, if the damn doctors would stop enabling the anti-vaxers. SMH ;)

bampilot06 01-13-22 04:21 PM

We also base decisions based on our surroundings and our perceptions. I went back to work right when covid started and didnít have the luxury of sitting at home. Everything was almost normal in my life that year besides empty airplanes and empty airports. Not once did I get sick nor has anyone in my family gotten sick. I donít know a single person that has died from covid. The pilots who have had covid are better and back at work.

I do know a 26 year old flight attendant that died from the moderna vaccine. Thats a fact that is in my life that influences my decisions.


I am not anti vax, I donít tell people not to get Vaxxed. I also donít tell people to get vaxxed or write them out of my life if they are not.

Its a decision that we all have a right to make.

I donít know how I feel about the whole situation. Iím not drinking my pee after popping Viagra though. That much I can tell you.

Back to cycling

Belize iíll be in Guadalajara in 2 weeks. I suggest you start pedaling now and if you can, carry me a bike on your back.

seedsbelize2 01-13-22 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 22372681)
Speaking of, I get to find out in "24-96 hours" my results.

Mild cough, sore throat, and sinus issues started yesterday afternoon. Didn't go to work today since I slept like crap last night.

Fun stuff.

A smooth, well oiled machine.

bampilot06 01-13-22 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22372904)
How are they going to prove inability to safely and properly fly the plane with a vaccine? I'd think the opposite would be easier since having the disease results in shortness of breath and loss of certain capabilities.


Argument is long term affects, that may lead to a safety of flight issues down the road.

I am not a lawyer or a doctor nor do I pretend to be.

Ill dig up the lawsuit and send it to you though.

LAJ 01-13-22 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22372871)
But the FDA isn't the one subsidizing it.

That's true. They do OK it, along with other questionable foodstuffs. My disdain for HFCS may be tainting my view, plus, I liked the shirts.

seedsbelize2 01-13-22 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372909)
We also base decisions based on our surroundings and our perceptions. I went back to work right when covid started and didnít have the luxury of sitting at home. Everything was almost normal in my life that year besides empty airplanes and empty airports. Not once did I get sick nor has anyone in my family gotten sick. I donít know a single person that has died from covid. The pilots who have had covid are better and back at work.

I do know a 26 year old flight attendant that died from the moderna vaccine. Thats a fact that is in my life that influences my decisions.


I am not anti vax, I donít tell people not to get Vaxxed. I also donít tell people to get vaxxed or write them out of my life if they are not.

Its a decision that we all have a right to make.

I donít know how I feel about the whole situation. Iím not drinking my pee after popping Viagra though. That much I can tell you.

Back to cycling

Belize iíll be in Guadalajara in 2 weeks. I suggest you start pedaling now and if you can, carry me a bike on your back.

I have commitments. A rare, rare thing. Poor timing. Otherwise.....
Isn't this why you bought the Richey?

bampilot06 01-13-22 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22372920)
I have commitments. A rare, rare thing. Poor timing. Otherwise.....
Isn't this why you bought the Richey?


Yes, but until I start flying out of Charlotte instead of New York bringing it is too much of a pain.

I donít have a place to store it in New York.

MoAlpha 01-13-22 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372913)
Argument is long term affects, that may lead to a safety of flight issues down the road.

I am not a lawyer or a doctor nor do I pretend to be.

Ill dig up the lawsuit and send it to you though.

There has never been a vaccine with long-term adverse effects. Vaccines injure and kill people, but within weeks at most and these vaccines have been remarkably safe. Well over 90% of military personnel are vaccinated. No one is going to pull them off critical duties. This is a silly, performative, suit, which will never go anywhere. Federal judges are not that stupid.

LarrySellerz 01-13-22 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22372907)
If Covid has its way, all the anti-vaxers will ultimately go away. Then maybe we won't have to deal with the crazies and stupid people.

Now, if the damn doctors would stop enabling the anti-vaxers. SMH ;)

I'm not afraid of covid, but I'm afraid of the Covid cultists who want to destroy my ability to earn a living and shut me out of society for making a medical decision. I wish people would just mind their business. The funny thing is people who think anti vaxers will die en mass, people who think the danger of covid is orders of magnitude worse than it actualy is. You do know that young and healthy unvaccined people are at less risk than old vaccinated people with comorbidities right? Go get your boosters and let me be, please.

mods please temp ban us for arguing about covid instead of riding our bikes, thanks.

bampilot06 01-13-22 05:10 PM

In other news, I have never won anything from strava entered contest. Not once.

Whew*. Iím glad I could get that off my chest.

MoAlpha 01-13-22 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22372969)
In other news, I have never won anything from strava entered contest. Not once.

Whew*. I’m glad I could get that off my chest.

Nor have I. Once the proprietor of a now defunct but wonderful woolen outdoor clothing company signed onto a sailing web site I frequented and offered to send base layer tops to anyone who was willing to write a review. I still have mine and it’s great!

BillyD 01-13-22 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 22372681)
Speaking of, I get to find out in "24-96 hours" my results.

Mild cough, sore throat, and sinus issues started yesterday afternoon. Didn't go to work today since I slept like crap last night.

Fun stuff.

Uh oh.

genejockey 01-13-22 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by LarrySellerz (Post 22372955)
I'm not afraid of covid, but I'm afraid of the Covid cultists who want to destroy my ability to earn a living and shut me out of society for making a medical decision. I wish people would just mind their business. The funny thing is people who think anti vaxers will die en mass, people who think the danger of covid is orders of magnitude worse than it actualy is. You do know that young and healthy unvaccined people are at less risk than old vaccinated people with comorbidities right? Go get your boosters and let me be, please.

mods please temp ban us for arguing about covid instead of riding our bikes, thanks.

This is why it shouldn't be a decision. Too many people who aren't qualified to decide think they are.

MoAlpha 01-13-22 05:23 PM

House update:
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Rot is not overwhelming and amenable to fairly minor surgery so far. We will have, at least, vapor barrier and underlayment throughout by the weekend, and maybe one elevation sided.

bampilot06 01-13-22 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22372978)
This is why it shouldn't be a decision. Too many people who aren't qualified to decide think they are.


I will say one last thing about this after I tried to change the subject.

So my flight surgeon who is a doctor has given me interesting advice during this ordeal.

When covid first started, he informed me to stay home, not to go to work because it will kill me.

When the vaccine first came out he told me to get the vaccine because covid was going to kill me.

Now he tells me not to get the vaccine because the vaccine could cause me harm.

He is my doctor. That would make him qualified correct? Or because he has a different view than you he doesnít count?

Velo Vol 01-13-22 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 22372867)
We subsidize so much corn, we need to do something with it. Let's make even more sugar!

We subsidize sugar, too.


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