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clubman 12-09-18 08:12 PM

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Chrome mudguards are generally not see before the 60's. The Hercules chainring flipped back and forth more than a couple of times depending on your market as did the headbadge. Here's a Sports model from the 53 catalogue. Like to see your badge too. Take it with a grain of salt because there seems to be many variations of Hercs, just like Raleigh.

Dan Burkhart 12-09-18 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by RobHalligan (Post 20697959)
Maybe it's as you say, but mostly I'm buying bikes that already have handle bars that aren't holding their positions and won't hold when trying to make them hold by torqueing them. It may be anomalous, but it's my world.

I've found the cure for that is to knurl the clamp area of the handlebar. I have the Stein Knurling tool which works great, but you can also use a center punch to create divots with raised ridges to accomplish the same thing.
https://www.steintool.com/portfolio-...knurling-tool/

56ford 12-09-18 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20697976)
Chrome mudguards are generally not see before the 60's. The Hercules chainring flipped back and forth more than a couple of times depending on your market as did the headbadge. Here's a Sports model from the 53 catalogue. Like to see your badge too. Take it with a grain of salt because there seems to be many variations of Hercs, just like Raleigh.

Here's my head badge...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a5efa84b6.jpg

clubman 12-09-18 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by 56ford (Post 20698093)
Here's my head badge...

That looks correct for the era, as do the brakes and even the spiral cable coil. Could be early mid 50's. The Coronation decals could have been kept on for more than one year and I've never heard of the Type B hubs having date codes but it could have happened. Nice 3 speed!

RobHalligan 12-10-18 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20698015)
I've found the cure for that is to knurl the clamp area of the handlebar. I have the Stein Knurling tool which works great, but you can also use a center punch to create divots with raised ridges to accomplish the same thing.
https://www.steintool.com/portfolio-...knurling-tool/

Thanks much. Nice tool. Not inexpensive.

gster 12-10-18 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by RobHalligan (Post 20699156)
Thanks much. Nice tool. Not inexpensive.

Yes, nice bike.
Those white paint highlights are often a sign of a Canadian export model.
I guess we liked 'em.

BigChief 12-11-18 06:14 AM

Here's something pretty rare. Except for a slight bend in the fork, this is in amazingly good shape for a kid's bike. By the late 60s, the kid market was totally dominated by the Stingray style bikes. I don't think Raleigh sold many of these. Not in the US anyway.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b796a6f0e.jpg
https://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/vint...746657954.html

noglider 12-11-18 08:55 AM

When we were kids, my sister had one of those with the step-through design. That was just before the high-rise style blew away the market. These traditional bikes are so nice, and it's a shame they're so rare.

Stenavpix 12-11-18 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20696810)
The 1930s Phillips is back on the road. The project is not yet finished, but it's mostly done. I still have some small stuff to do and some cosmetic clean up in a couple spots. But at least now I can ride it and it's not sitting in pieces on a pallet, taking up storage space in my garage.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-no3d1Im6c...208_155911.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1A_vybNUc...208_155919.jpg

That is bad ass! Simple utilitarian elegance at it's best.

BigChief 12-11-18 10:40 PM

Found a good one. Terrible pictures though. The lack of original chainguard really hurts the top of the scale asking price. Still, tall frame, early 50s good looking finish and maybe rims from what little I can see. The idea of refinishing and distressing a chainguard to fit this bike is a challenge that would be fun for me. But, a bit too far away and not the project I was looking for.

https://vermont.craigslist.org/bik/d...755433777.html

wahoonc 12-12-18 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by SarahCH (Post 20696656)
Hello Everyone! I'm so glad I've found this forum and thread because I've been loving all of the beautiful pictures of the bikes you've all been showing off. When I get up to the post limit to be able to post pictures I would love to show off my Raleigh 20 :-) it's so nice to find people that also love vintage bikes. Apart from my family (we all love bikes) most people I know like to comment things like why are you riding that rusty junk, or why don't you ride your nice new bikes :-( I might go out for a fun ride on my rusty junk today actually

Welcome to the forums!
Watch those Twentys... if you leave them alone in a dark place the multiply! :eek:

I have 3 (I think), one was my daily rider for a couple of years, still ride it at least once a month.

Aaron :)

Buellster 12-12-18 05:32 PM

It worked!
well so far Haha
so I was able to plug my 4 speed hub into the 3 speed shell mounted in the 700c wheel. That 4 speed really was NOS it looks brand new on the inside, no oil whatsoever on the interior, just beautiful bronzesque gears.
I'm letting it sit with some light weight machine oil inside it's new home. I'll let it drain out for a few days before I go next steps.
I do(as always) have a question though...
can I check this shifting manually? As in by hand? The indicator chain is in place but I'm having issues finding the gears. I have read that you can shift the 3 speeds by hands as a way of checking uncounted hubs. Can I do it with the 4 or are the gearing ratios too specific to really tell?

raleighroadster 12-12-18 05:51 PM

What about this superbe? Advertised as 70ís
 
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f0bcf4ba.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb50b44a4.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...580db658b.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baf64074f.jpeg
missing the seat and seatpost, hazard of living in a big city. There is a generator hub but no lamp or lamp bracket. Does that fork look original? I am not familiar enough with this model . Seller wanted $100 but it has been listed for awhile. Offered him $50, he came back with $75.

gster 12-12-18 08:06 PM

1953 BSA Update
Weather and work have delayed progress.
I've removed the Dynohub front wheel and moved it to my Canadian build Superbe.
Lots of little details to sort out.
Brakes, shifting, warped back wheel.
New chain still needed but all in time....
I have been riding it around the neighbourhood for a shakedown.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f31eb79f7d.jpg
Totally OT
Bought a 1965 Mercury 500 motor for the boat today..
Missing the bottom unit but have got a couple of good leads.
Yet another project!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd3a3f100e.jpg

nlerner 12-12-18 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by raleighroadster (Post 20702258)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f0bcf4ba.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb50b44a4.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...580db658b.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baf64074f.jpeg
missing the seat and seatpost, hazard of living in a big city. There is a generator hub but no lamp or lamp bracket. Does that fork look original? I am not familiar enough with this model . Seller wanted $100 but it has been listed for awhile. Offered him $50, he came back with $75.

I've seen that one on Boston's CL. Replacement fork and lack of fenders/chainguard and post/saddle makes it no more than a $50, and that's assuming the frame isn't bent (which it might be if the fork was replaced).

gster 12-12-18 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by raleighroadster (Post 20702258)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f0bcf4ba.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb50b44a4.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...580db658b.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baf64074f.jpeg
missing the seat and seatpost, hazard of living in a big city. There is a generator hub but no lamp or lamp bracket. Does that fork look original? I am not familiar enough with this model . Seller wanted $100 but it has been listed for awhile. Offered him $50, he came back with $75.

Worth it for the price if you wanted to build a Scorcher.
Forks are wrong.
Tall bike a plus.
Chrome looks good.

BigChief 12-12-18 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20702411)
Worth it for the price if you wanted to build a Scorcher.
Forks are wrong.
Tall bike a plus.
Chrome looks good.

It's been my experience that, unlike lightweight frames, these 20-30 roadster frames don't bend even if the fork is badly bent back. I'd still take a close look at the top tube, but in all my years of fixing old Raleighs, I've never come across a roadster frame that got damaged from a front end bump. I'd bet the frame is fine. Parts bike though +1 on the 50 bucks.

BigChief 12-12-18 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20702400)
1953 BSA Update
Weather and work have delayed progress.
I've removed the Dynohub front wheel and moved it to my Canadian build Superbe.
Lots of little details to sort out.
Brakes, shifting, warped back wheel.
New chain still needed but all in time....
I have been riding it around the neighbourhood for a shakedown.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f31eb79f7d.jpg
Totally OT
Bought a 1965 Mercury 500 motor for the boat today..
Missing the bottom unit but have got a couple of good leads.
Yet another project!

I love this bike!

gster 12-13-18 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20702538)
I love this bike!

Thanks BC!
Here's the bike as originally advertised.
I didn't make a move on it.
The guy that DID buy it decided a month or so later
that he didn't want it so I bought it.
I think he didn't want to deal with the headset issues...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...06dbba0c17.jpg

BigChief 12-13-18 05:41 AM

Since we know this bike was originally in club trim, I would be very tempted to spring for light weight plastic mudguards that looked as much like the original celluloids as possible, but then, I'm not very practical when it comes to my bike projects. I like to say that I loose money on every bike I fix, but I make it up in volume.

gster 12-13-18 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20702707)
Since we know this bike was originally in club trim, I would be very tempted to spring for light weight plastic mudguards that looked as much like the original celluloids as possible, but then, I'm not very practical when it comes to my bike projects. I like to say that I loose money on every bike I fix, but I make it up in volume.

You're right!
There's no money in these things.
Those mudguards would probably cost more than the bike
and increase it's resale value by $00.00
I do it for pleasure.
My wife encourages this "hobby" as she
knows that if I don't have a project, I'm liable to
get into trouble......

markk900 12-13-18 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20702400)
Totally OT
Bought a 1965 Mercury 500 motor for the boat today..
Missing the bottom unit but have got a couple of good leads.
Yet another project!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd3a3f100e.jpg

That will be perfect! Sorry but I gave away my Merc bottom ends when I got rid of my mid 50s Mk55s.

gster 12-13-18 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20702722)
That will be perfect! Sorry but I gave away my Merc bottom ends when I got rid of my mid 50s Mk55s.

The guy I bought it from has another motor (just waiting on serial number) at a very fair price.
I just couldn't fit 2 of them in the back of the car....
Mk 55 looks like a good motor..
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3a7f9f8147.jpg

DQRider 12-13-18 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20702894)
Has anyone converted a Raliegh sport to "fixed gear" (like SA S3X hub)? I wonder how is it regarding pedal strikes?


Are you referring to pedal strikes on the shift cable? I always use a top-routing to avoid this. Unless it's a step-through, of course. But women tend to have smaller feet... :rolleyes:




noglider 12-13-18 10:06 AM

No, he's talking about pedals hitting the ground during turns. It's a very bad thing to happen on a fixed gear. I don't know the answer to his question, though.


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