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katzenfinch 07-06-20 09:52 AM

My friend thinks a 1951, but hes 12 years older than I am and I was born in 52 so if he got it at 12 math says it's the same vintage I am. In either case, pre-1954. He gave me the original owner's manual and a cycle user's handbook that came with it. Your bike is very nice! I'm a little bummed that the new saddle will have chrome springs instead of black. I suppose I could have the original one recovered though.


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21572050)
I don't see a 20-30 sticker on the seat tube, so I'll guess it's pre 1954.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...78c2a86125.jpg


Ballenxj 07-06-20 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by branko_76 (Post 21571863)
A dumpster find that I almost forgot about...

What a GREAT find! This has to have been done by relatives of a deceased person that saw no value, so tossed it. It looks so compete, and with desirable options such as the Dyno hub etc. :thumb:

branko_76 07-06-20 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21572030)
Nice! That's an early one. Possibly even pre war. What date is stamped on the hub? Amazing that it has the original handlebar grips. Or at least the correct short style these bikes came with originally. Could you please post a close up of them? So few survive today that building up reference material is difficult. Original dual quill pedals too. Another rarity. That looks to be the very first style trigger shifter with the external spring. You're lucky if it's still there. They tend to get lost. Can't see in the photo. These require a special cable end and are more trouble to get working, but well worth the effort. Very, very nice bike.

Thanks, Ill take some more photos over the weekend...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b96f33bfc5.jpg

branko_76 07-06-20 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21572236)
What a GREAT find! This has to have been done by relatives of a deceased person that saw no value, so tossed it. It looks so compete, and with desirable options such as the Dyno hub etc. :thumb:

It was discarded by maintenance workers cleaning out a basement at the University of Chicago

Ballenxj 07-06-20 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by branko_76 (Post 21572260)
It was discarded by maintenance workers cleaning out a basement at the University of Chicago

Oh, not the first time I've been wrong, but this is a happier story, so glad to be wrong on this one. :o

MiLe31 07-06-20 03:07 PM

Man, I love these 3speeds. I had one, got hit by a car, turned it into a taco.

Wish I could find another.

gster 07-07-20 07:44 AM

Since there's no vintage bike show this year..
Some posters from past years.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bcba3da978.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...469e486a2b.png
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9045336552.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ebc7a1d512.png
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...539419a3b3.png

gster 07-07-20 07:46 AM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6dcd34efb1.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9b2ef01223.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...04c5e4bc1e.png
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4a05a6115d.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...22b3c28891.png

gster 07-07-20 07:55 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2e5738eead.png
This one was critisized because someone said you could see the girl's underwear.....

Ballenxj 07-07-20 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21573953)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2e5738eead.png
This one was critisized because someone said you could see the girl's underwear.....

These are all wonderful, and the smile on the girls face was the first thing I noticed. No accounting for other folk. :rolleyes:
Thanks for posting these. :thumb:

gster 07-07-20 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21573983)
These are all wonderful, and the smile on the girls face was the first thing I noticed. No accounting for other folk. :rolleyes:
Thanks for posting these. :thumb:

My thoughts exactly......

threespeedmafia 07-07-20 01:32 PM

Sorry Toronto
 

Originally Posted by gster (Post 21574311)
My thoughts exactly......

Sorry about your show being cancelled. We could all use a good show and/or ride right about now. Anyway, thank you for sharing the wonderful posters.

clubman 07-07-20 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21572817)
Man, I love these 3speeds. I had one, got hit by a car, turned it into a taco.

Wish I could find another.

Finding them is pretty easy. Your location?

MiLe31 07-07-20 03:11 PM

NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

clubman 07-07-20 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)
NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

The local Craigslist should fix you up.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/searc...aleigh+3+speed

sykerocker 07-07-20 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21574874)
The local Craigslist should fix you up.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/searc...aleigh+3+speed

Following that link, one of the bikes listed was a 70-72 (claimed) Sports in white. That's the first one I've seen since I had mine back in 1973. Unfortunately, this one is a girl's frame.

branko_76 07-07-20 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)
NW Indiana, Chicago Suburbs, willing to go into Chicago.

I do want a bike. It's been a while. I joined this forum because I used to be an avid cyclist, now I'm a chubby old man. lol.

Also, a friend of mine just opened a small bike shop, inspiring.

There are a couple of nice Raleigh Sports (men's) on facebook marketplace in your area.

Here's a 1969 for $175...

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...ba&oe=5F29C2CA


$150.00...

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...27&oe=5F29E94C


$150.00...(but worth $75.00)

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...ee&oe=5F2B3531

clubman 07-07-20 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by MiLe31 (Post 21574794)

I do want a bike. It's been a while.

Don't shy away from the step through 'womens' models. We're above that, given our age and wisdom. :innocent:
They are usually in better condition and cost less. I enjoy the ride of them as well, they seem nimble.

clubman 07-07-20 07:58 PM

But branko_76 is showing some very nice examples, all are bigger 23" frames. I'd suggest 31" inseams min. for those.
Ask questions anytime, there's literally a gazillion of them out there. Bikes and questions.

gster 07-09-20 06:53 AM

New Hudson
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...552a60b6ad.jpg
You don't see these too often in Toronto.
Seller is asking $200.00​​​​​​

gster 07-09-20 02:04 PM

Another interesting bike listed in Toronto
A 1957 CCM Imperial Club Racer
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e3464ef45.jpg
Canadian built with a S/A SW hub and EA1 rims.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f1736f540.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77a8a572db.jpg
While I'm not buying this bike, I am buying a Cyclo deraileur from the same vendor.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf55455978.jpg
​​​​​​

BigChief 07-09-20 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21578437)
Another interesting bike listed in Toronto
A 1957 CCM Imperial Club Racer
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e3464ef45.jpg
Canadian built with a S/A SW hub and EA1 rims.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f1736f540.jpg
​​​​​​

Interesting bike. The B66 is out of place on a drop bar bike though. It looks to be in good shape. It would be the perfect saddle for that early 50s Rudge Sports a few posts back.

gster 07-09-20 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21578494)
Interesting bike. The B66 is out of place on a drop bar bike though. It looks to be in good shape. It would be the perfect saddle for that early 50s Rudge Sports a few posts back.

Yes...
The seller (a friend) says it has a '57 AW hub.......
Not an SW as stated in the brochure.
More evidence that the SW hubs were not popular/reliable.
OT
New shed (not for bikes)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...82e52d8105.jpg

W.L.SOON 07-10-20 07:30 AM

Raleigh roadster chainwheel/crankset 44T,46T,48T ?
 
Hello guys. Sorry for bumping in here with this topic;you folks might have covered this before....but please share some info on this:

I am going to get a set of the Raleigh 48T crankset with the 'square' crank arms,tiny Sir Raleigh logo,6.5" arm center-to-center,chainwheel with 3 herons and 3 'curved' triangles in between them, for my Gazelle roadster.

So my gearing will be a highish 4818,single speed hub. My previous chainwheel was a 44T.

I have always been perplexed with the huge variety of cranksets for our Raleigh Sports(261 3/8) and Roadsters(281 1/2) . So here we go:

1)Why are there 44,46,48T for our bikes?
2)Square cranks / rounded cranks(cross-section)?
3)Tiny Sir Raleigh logo / 'RALEIGH INDUSTRIES' wordings on the arms?
4)Three herons on the chainwheel with hollow cut-outs in between / Three herons on the chainwheel with three curved triangles in between / Chainwheel with the initials R-I-N (Raleigh Industries?) / Chainwheel with plain looking 'rectangle' cut-outs ?
5) 6 1/2" and 7" cranks?
6) Solid cranks and fluted cranks?
7)Are all these 44,46,48T cranks on the chainwheel side spaced wider to accommodate the chaincase?

Sorry for my barrage of questions,but I will be buying a set soon and thus the load of questions. Sorry again if you have gone through this before but your info will be much appreciated.

Thank you guys,take care and all the best to you all.

Sincerely,
W.L.SOON,Malaysia
1957 Gazelle roadster

cudak888 07-10-20 07:41 AM

W.L.SOON - The info here pertains to my knowledge of US-market Nottingham Raleighs. It may differ for production from other countries:


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
1)Why are there 44,46,48T for our bikes?

48t was the norm until the late 1960's, when the gearing was reduced to 46t. I don't recall ever seeing a 44t on a full-size Raleigh; chances are those cranks are from a youth bike.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
2)Square cranks / rounded cranks(cross-section)?

Presumably strength, but Raleigh ran square cranks since the 1950's while running round cranks on the 1960's and 1970's Twenty models. Cost? Can't say.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
3)Tiny Sir Raleigh logo / 'RALEIGH INDUSTRIES' wordings on the arms?

Pretty sure the latter is 1950's production. The Sir Walter Raleigh logo became the de-facto standard from the 1960's on.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
4)Three herons on the chainwheel with hollow cut-outs in between / Three herons on the chainwheel with three curved triangles in between / Chainwheel with the initials R-I-N (Raleigh Industries?) / Chainwheel with plain looking 'rectangle' cut-outs ?

Hollow cutouts came in the early 1970's. Ran concurrent with the original triangulated design until they stopped making them somewhere in 1974-5. Can't help with the others.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
5) 6 1/2" and 7" cranks?

165mm vs 170mm. Most Sports cranks were 165mm, but choose what works for your riding style first. I'm 5' 10" and prefer running 170s when possible, but 170mm Raleigh arms aren't easy to find.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
6) Solid cranks and fluted cranks?

Can't help there.


Originally Posted by W.L.SOON (Post 21579574)
7)Are all these 44,46,48T cranks on the chainwheel side spaced wider to accommodate the chaincase?

Pretty sure they're all spaced the same, though the old chaincases usually had the 48t rings.

-Kurt


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