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carleton 02-24-15 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Velocirapture (Post 17582155)
Interesting to see that it looks like Hoy is running a) Shimano's and b) cleats with float.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=436022

Shoes: Fizik R3B UOMO White:
Fizik R3B UOMO White Black

Pedals: Shimano R540
Note that there isn't a shiny metal contact plate. It's a black plastic contact plate)
Shimano R540 Road Pedals

Stem: Thomson X2

Saddle: Turbo 1980
http://www.selleitalia.com/en/prodot...agina_vintage/


Frame: Shand HOY Keirin bike ()
Sir Chris Hoy Keirin track bike collaboration ? Shand Cycles
HOY custom Shand steel Keirin bike - HOY Bikes | Developed by Sir Chris Hoy

My guess is that it was all put together by a production assistant for the photoshoot for his fashion line:
HOY Vulpine - Spring Summer 2015

I doubt that he uses any of the above for real :D

Before this, I'd never seen him ride that bike:
http://lookbook.vulpine.cc/hoyvulpin...pine_313_2.jpg
http://lookbook.vulpine.cc/hoyvulpin...pine_335_2.jpg
http://lookbook.vulpine.cc/hoyvulpin...ulpine_347.jpg

carleton 02-24-15 08:45 PM

I like the bike, though. LOTS more pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/shandc...7645837652432/

queerpunk 02-24-15 08:58 PM

Cool. It's like a custom Bareknuckle!


Just kidding.


Only kind of.

sergioflorez 02-24-15 10:49 PM

id like it more if it had a quill stem. nice bike tho

taras0000 02-25-15 12:19 AM

Is fillet brazing NJS approved?

Velocirapture 02-25-15 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 17582791)
Pedals: Shimano R540
Note that there isn't a shiny metal contact plate. It's a black plastic contact plate)
Shimano R540 Road Pedals

I doubt that he uses any of the above for real :D

Darn!

queerpunk 02-25-15 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17583228)
Is fillet brazing NJS approved?

Yes.

Quinn8it 02-25-15 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 17582816)
I like the bike, though. LOTS more pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/shandc...7645837652432/

I think it looks awesome!
ive been kicking around building a steel bike too... It's just tough to find a frame with the right geometry

Hida Yanra 02-25-15 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 17584136)
I think it looks awesome!
ive been kicking around building a steel bike too... It's just tough to find a frame with the right geometry

any reason not to call Tsunami? They'll do it DARN cheap, stiff alum, and you pick the geo -
any reason for steel specifically?

nspace 02-25-15 04:14 PM

Performance aside, steel has a beautiful aesthetic. From a visual perspective (there are exceptions), I don't find aluminum tubesets and big aluminum TIG beads to be all that attractive (Tsunami would be in that camp for me!). The nice thin tubes, you can TIG weld, fillet braze, or slip braze it with lugs, or some combination former.

That Shand looks really nice. Fillet brazed joins are a thing of beauty!

carleton 02-25-15 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 17584921)
any reason not to call Tsunami? They'll do it DARN cheap, stiff alum, and you pick the geo -
any reason for steel specifically?

I have never heard of them. Any reviews out there for the track frames?

taras0000 02-25-15 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 17584136)
I think it looks awesome!
ive been kicking around building a steel bike too... It's just tough to find a frame with the right geometry

What are you looking for i geo?

carleton 02-25-15 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17585367)
What are you looking for i geo?

I'd like:

- 74/74 degrees
- 61cm top tube
- around 455mm reach
- 14-15cm head tube
- Essentially: Short and long

Sadly, this bike doesn't exist off-the-rack in steel, aluminum or carbon :(

Notice how the Hoy custom steel bike above is short and long based on the bespoke geo set by Hoy.

taras0000 02-25-15 07:12 PM

I agree with the short and long. My current LOOK KG 233p

- 74.5 parallel
- 54cm ST, 56cm TT
- 14.5cm HT
- 25mm rake/35mm rake. Stock is 25mm, steel fork. Swapped for a 35mm carbon track fork to tighten up the trail.
- 50mm BB drop

I find this VERY close to ideal (for me ;) ). Be interesting to ride a Marvel and see how it compares to this and my old BT

carleton 02-25-15 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17585470)
I agree with the short and long. My current LOOK KG 233p

- 74.5 parallel
- 54cm ST, 56cm TT
- 14.5cm HT
- 25mm rake/35mm rake. Stock is 25mm, steel fork. Swapped for a 35mm carbon track fork to tighten up the trail.
- 50mm BB drop

I find this VERY close to ideal. Be interesting to ride a Marvel and see how it compares to this and my old BT

I think the BB drop on the Serenity Marvel is 35mm. Higher than most (if not all).

taras0000 02-25-15 07:23 PM

Yes. I've never seen anything that high before. A full cm higher than my old BT, and that was high. I know this was done to manipulate the rider's position on the bike (between the wheels). I'd like to experience it for myself to see if it is something that is noticable/beneficial, or if it's just different.

carleton 02-25-15 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17585504)
Yes. I've never seen anything that high before. A full cm higher than my old BT, and that was high. I know this was done to manipulate the rider's position on the bike (between the wheels). I'd like to experience it for myself to see if it is something that is noticable/beneficial, or if it's just different.

I *think* there was one Techner model that had that high of a BB. Maybe it was a different bike altogether. But, whatever it was, it didn't last long.

I actually talked with Mr. Tiemeyer about a 35mm BB drop for the bike he made for me in 2011 (my white one). His standard drop is 45mm. He advised against me going with 35mm. I can't recall exactly why. If the merits were there, I would have 35mm drop on my bike. But the merits were not there from his point of view.

taras0000 02-25-15 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 17585525)
I actually talked with Mr. Tiemeyer about a 35mm BB drop for the bike he made for me in 2011 (my white one). His standard drop is 45mm. He advised against me going with 35mm. I can't recall exactly why. If the merits were there, I would have 35mm drop on my bike. But the merits were not there from his point of view.

True enough. Hard to argue with someone who's taken an art, made it into a science, then turned that science into an art all of itself. For someone who crafts bikes for individuals, it may have been something that went against what he was trying to do for you as far as geo. I think it might be viable for those that need steeper ST angles (like me, shorter femur/tidia ratio) with a long TT (loooooooooong torso). This would tuck the BB up and back compared to a normal bike, keeping the wheels where they are, thus allowing you to preserve a shorter wheelbase.

carleton 02-25-15 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17585549)
True enough. Hard to argue with someone who's taken an art, made it into a science, then turned that science into an art all of itself. For someone who crafts bikes for individuals, it may have been something that went against what he was trying to do for you as far as geo. I think it might be viable for those that need steeper ST angles (like me, shorter femur/tidia ratio) with a long TT (loooooooooong torso). This would tuck the BB up and back compared to a normal bike, keeping the wheels where they are, thus allowing you to preserve a shorter wheelbase.

I need to learn more about the pros and cons of this.

Bike geometry fascinates me.

Quinn8it 02-25-15 08:00 PM

Tsunami looks cool!

i wonder if they could fix my busted Tiemeyer? Or just make me a clone?

taras0000 02-25-15 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by carleton (Post 17585571)
I need to learn more about the pros and cons of this.

Bike geometry fascinates me.

You can read about bike geo all you want, but it still will leave you with some questions. The next step is to learn about motorcycle geometry and suspension. Everything about bicycles applies, but the extremes (speed, constantly variable geometry) extrapolate the physics of bike handling further. You get to see how these changes and interactions affect handling.

Hida Yanra 02-26-15 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 17585600)
Tsunami looks cool!

i wonder if they could fix my busted Tiemeyer? Or just make me a clone?

I know a variety of roadies who have had him (them really, father/son team) make bikes... prob 6 people I've talked to who have them, and they are all entirely content.
I know Joe has made track frames, but I don't know any of the folks that have used them. There was one at Marymoor the first couple years I was there, but I don't recall who was on it, and then I saw it on the 2ndhand market a few years later - so that'll be tough to track down.

Given how flexible and happy to work w/ you Joe is (I've had a variety of long conversations with him, without any money changing hands - just talking about hopes/thoughts on bike geo and philosophy... I think it wouldn't be a problem at all. He can super-over-build anything, that's not hard, if you have geo you like, that's taken care of, and there'd be no problem with you selecting which-ever dropouts you want to use - anything that other custom builders use he could get....

dunno - I don't think that custom bikes really have all that much magic to them - for track bikes mostly it is handling (geo)/stiffness (tube selection)/dropouts (standard catalog items).... if you already have the design bits nailed down and it sounds like you do, one high-level welder is about the same as the next.

Alum is almost impossible to "fix" - I know he has taken off the chainstays on a bike he made and put new ones one to shorten it up a bit - but replacing tubes in such a way that they are straight and square is challenging enough that it is a tall task.

When the "free bike" part of my life ends, I'm 95% likely to give Joe a call and have him fab me a bike or two.

ahem, @carpediemracing,

Hida Yanra 02-26-15 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 17585600)
Tsunami looks cool!

i wonder if they could fix my busted Tiemeyer? Or just make me a clone?

OR, if you really need "THE BEST", call Frank the Welder, he has made a couple ****** looking track bikes in the last two years, and he is the living god of alum bikes.
Granted, it'll be 2K ish, but you'll have an "FTW" bike.

taras0000 02-26-15 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 17586964)
OR, if you really need "THE BEST", call Frank the Welder, he has made a couple ****** looking track bikes in the last two years, and he is the living god of alum bikes.
Granted, it'll be 2K ish, but you'll have an "FTW" bike.

This will most likely be the next one I purchase as well. I really like what he's doing with his frames.

carleton 02-26-15 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17588148)
This will most likely be the next one I purchase as well. I really like what he's doing with his frames.

He hasn't posted here in a while. What do they look like?

taras0000 02-27-15 01:42 AM

Tiemeyer-esque, including the track ends which I believe he got permission to use. Remember him mentioning that he wanted to build a track frame but was wondering what ends to use. He said he really liked Dave's design. Frank looks to be running a wider DT, tapered headtube (looks like inch and half to inch and an eighth) rounder seatstays (set low on the ST), and massive chainstays.

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/vin...c9c87472_8.jpg

carleton 02-27-15 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by taras0000 (Post 17588831)
Tiemeyer-esque, including the track ends which I believe he got permission to use. Remember him mentioning that he wanted to build a track frame but was wondering what ends to use. He said he really liked Dave's design. Frank looks to be running a wider DT, tapered headtube (looks like inch and half to inch and an eighth) rounder seatstays (set low on the ST), and massive chainstays.

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/vin...c9c87472_8.jpg

Nice! Very nice.

queerpunk 02-27-15 08:41 AM

that bike looks like basically the raddest.

carleton 02-27-15 10:36 AM

Embedded:

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/vin...c9c87472_8.jpg

We need FTW to come back and tell us about this beauty.

MarkWW 02-28-15 01:43 PM

Here's another picture:
https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.ne...87998422_n.jpg

It's owned by a rider here at kissena who used to be on the same team as FTW. All I know about it is the chainstays are too beefy to fit a super-9 disc.


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