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datlas 08-02-22 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22595781)
I use extractors as a last resort. If you do, drilling the right size hole and centering the hole is key to a stuck bolt. Also apply a little heat, especially if there is a threadlocker product on the threads. If a bolt is really stuck, like cross threaded or rusted, an extractor will probably just break.

Are the crank bolts the Shimano style with 2 pinch bolts? Those are probably hardened bolts. Are they stripped? You might be able to pound a bigger Allen wrench in there, maybe an SAE size.
Cleat screws might need a good soaking with a penetrating oil. Are they Allen head or slotted? An impact driver might help if you can borrow one.

12 Piece Easy Out Small to Large Screw Extractor Kit Set Easy Out Screw Remover Set (Case Included): Other Products: Amazon.com: Tools & Home Improvement

The shimano ones are the 2 pinch bolts. It almost makes me wonder if I got a counterfeit set because the metal in these bolts is so soft, they got stripped by my park tools torque wrench. I have some bolts from older cranks that are not stripped so I need to take these ones out and put new ones in. The cleat bolts are cheap-o Look stock bolts/screws that always seem to strip on me. Possibly user error, as my mechanic is a certifiable idiot in his field.

Mojo31 08-02-22 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595837)
The shimano ones are the 2 pinch bolts. It almost makes me wonder if I got a counterfeit set because the metal in these bolts is so soft, they got stripped by my park tools torque wrench. I have some bolts from older cranks that are not stripped so I need to take these ones out and put new ones in. The cleat bolts are cheap-o Look stock bolts/screws that always seem to strip on me. Possibly user error, as my mechanic is a certifiable idiot in his field.

Good thing you're not a surgeon! :innocent:

MoAlpha 08-02-22 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22595414)
I assume that this means some suffering when hooked up to contraptions? I'm surprised to hear about the cost - much more reasonable than I'd have expected.

I think itís a series of finger or earlobe sticks, while doing some sort of ascending protocol on the bike. They can estimate it from respiratory gas analysis, the way they do VO2, but itís not as accurate for this. Lactate also tells you a lot about your general metabolic health.

big john 08-02-22 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595837)
The shimano ones are the 2 pinch bolts. It almost makes me wonder if I got a counterfeit set because the metal in these bolts is so soft, they got stripped by my park tools torque wrench. I have some bolts from older cranks that are not stripped so I need to take these ones out and put new ones in. The cleat bolts are cheap-o Look stock bolts/screws that always seem to strip on me. Possibly user error, as my mechanic is a certifiable idiot in his field.

The crank bolts are going to be more difficult because they are recessed. Try forcing a bigger Allen in there if you can.
The Look cleat screws I get are 4 mm Allen and they are cheap/cheesy. If you can't get them to move you could try a sharp chisel and tap around the outside of the screw head in the direction you want them to go. Be patient.

Time to ride.

MoAlpha 08-02-22 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22595781)
I use extractors as a last resort. If you do, drilling the right size hole and centering the hole is key to a stuck bolt. Also apply a little heat, especially if there is a threadlocker product on the threads. If a bolt is really stuck, like cross threaded or rusted, an extractor will probably just break.

Hard for a hacker to center that hole and drill it straight without a drill press. Ask me how I know.

rjones28 08-02-22 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22595813)

Shimano motor ... not a real Porsche. ;)

rjones28 08-02-22 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595837)
The shimano ones are the 2 pinch bolts. It almost makes me wonder if I got a counterfeit set because the metal in these bolts is so soft, they got stripped by my park tools torque wrench. I have some bolts from older cranks that are not stripped so I need to take these ones out and put new ones in. The cleat bolts are cheap-o Look stock bolts/screws that always seem to strip on me. Possibly user error, as my mechanic is a certifiable idiot in his field.

You can buy replacement pinch bolts.

Shimano Crank Arm Clamp Bolt Excel Sports | Shop Online From Boulder Colorado

Universal Cycles -- Shimano Hollowtech II Crank Fixing Bolt/Pinch Bolt

Mojo31 08-02-22 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22595865)
Shimano motor ... not a real Porsche. ;)

But, it is air cooled.

seedsbelize2 08-02-22 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595747)
I have a couple bolts that are a challenge to remove so I think I need a bolt extractor. These include the bolts to my cleats and the 4mm crankarm fixing bolts.

I don't see that Park Tools makes a bolt extractor. Any suggestions for a budget bolt extractor for bicycle-sized bolts?? Most of the ones on ScamBay seem to be designed for autos and are too big.

Can you get at them with vise grips?

seedsbelize2 08-02-22 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22595817)

Yes.. Now I remember this series. I was a big fan myself.

seedsbelize2 08-02-22 09:16 AM

Down tube shifters and platform pedals and you're good to go.
Oh, and iso square taper bb.
This is one of the many reasons I stopped where I did. Personal finances is the biggest reason though. And simple incomprehension at paying $2000 for a bike, 25 years ago.

datlas 08-02-22 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22595915)
Can you get at them with vise grips?

Nope, too recessed. I have spares as above so I don't mind if I destroy the stripped ones. I am disappointed in Shimano that they stripped so easily. I was using a good tool and the right torque per spec.

datlas 08-02-22 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22595922)
Down tube shifters and platform pedals and you're good to go.
Oh, and iso square taper bb.

C&V ftw

Bah Humbug 08-02-22 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595716)
I got stumped. Would have had it at 7. Sad.

At least that puts me in good company.

seedsbelize2 08-02-22 09:30 AM

Eddy Merkx and the like did just fine with the old tech. Maybe you're too soft. Just a thought.










If LAJ is lurking, this should bring him out.

Bah Humbug 08-02-22 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22595954)
Eddy Merkx and the like did just fine with the old tech. Maybe you're too soft. Just a thought.










If LAJ is lurking, this should bring him out.

Soon as we all start driving VW Bugs Iíll listen to that argument.

And watching small tube TVs.

And using dial-up.

And so on.

Yes I know that was tongue-in-cheek.

genejockey 08-02-22 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22595501)
Oh really? I seldom find people who know about him. Maybe I run in the wrong circles. I saw him once at Royce Hall in UCLA. We sat pretty close and it was a great show.

I have several of his CDs, myself.

Eric F 08-02-22 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 22595630)
Lucky! I've never had a bike where a magic ratio was actually something useful.

That's pretty much the same gearing I ran at 30x18. I had sliding dropouts though :)

I was expecting to have to use a chain tensioner, but it happened to work out very nicely. With a new chain, it is a little tight, but it stretched out pretty quickly and is perfect now.

DougRNS 08-02-22 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22595501)
Oh really? I seldom find people who know about him. Maybe I run in the wrong circles. I saw him once at Royce Hall in UCLA. We sat pretty close and it was a great show.

I have 9 of his CD's counting the 9/11 memorial release. All but one from 1980 ending with Night divides the day in 2002. I was inspired to listen to them today at work.

DougRNS 08-02-22 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22595539)
I saw him perform at Gammage in the early '80s. No songs by The Doors were played. :)

I got December shortly after it was released in 1982 (on cassette.)
#NotOnlyRock

DougRNS 08-02-22 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22595707)
My long ago gf is a big George Winston fan .

Did she like that rock opera ********?

Mojo31 08-02-22 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22595954)
Eddy Merkx and the like did just fine with the old tech. Maybe you're too soft. Just a thought.










If LAJ is lurking, this should bring him out.

I don't mind being soft if it lets you play with cool stuff.

DougRNS 08-02-22 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22595657)
I honestly don't recall if that cable is a PTFE coated cable or not, but I have used those fancier cables in the past and I can say for my usage, it does not extend cable life.

I actually do think this is a PTFE coated cable, it's the one that came with the R8000 groupset.

Reading compehension.SMH

DougRNS 08-02-22 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by t2p (Post 22595784)
two thumbs up on George Wilson

any CD in particular recommended ?

( yes - still often listen to CD's lol )

the ones I have are pretty solid. The one with the Doors music is my least favorite because it's hard to surpass the original.

rjones28 08-02-22 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22595996)
Soon as we all start driving VW Bugs I’ll listen to that argument.

And watching small tube TVs.

And using dial-up.

And so on.

Yes I know that was tongue-in-cheek.

I would consider another Beetle, for around town.

We were on phone line DSL until a couple of years ago.

We watch video content on YouTube with a 13" iPad. Does that count?


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