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stien 08-27-10 08:18 PM

Hell I check CL dozens of times/day haha, once a day isn't enough!

Andrew F 08-27-10 08:38 PM

I found my last 3 English bikes via the Garbage Men. I told them what I was looking for....they deliver to the drive way for $20!

noglider 08-27-10 09:17 PM

Wow, I never thought of that! How do you specify what you're looking for? I don't want no stinkin' department store bikes.

Sixty Fiver 08-28-10 01:39 AM

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...esthauler2.JPG

Worked on the old boy between other jobs today... and when work was done we went on a nice pootle. The 451 equipped Twenty is a different bike than it's exported cousins as it has better road manners and is a little faster since it rolls on taller and skinnier tyres.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/1977R20a.JPG

banjo_mole 08-28-10 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11367648)
banjo_mole and jedge76, go to http://google.com/alerts and create an alert with terms kinda like this:

3 speed bike site:craigslist.org

It will scour craigslist once a day for you and email you the results.

Wow. That's a really, really cool trick. I'm going to start doing that for everything! This is a pandora's box, opened!

Also, thank y'all for the SF CR link, that's right up my alley, but too far away. :/

-Nick

Andrew F 08-28-10 12:21 PM


Wow, I never thought of that! How do you specify what you're looking for? I don't want no stinkin' department store bikes.
Everything they they have brought has a particular odor, I wouldn't say "stinkin'." They know I don't want every bike, so far I've asked them for English 3 speeds and showed them an example. Next I may try road bikes, show them the difference between an alloy seatpost and steel and see what happens.

curbtender 08-28-10 03:51 PM

Garbagemen will catch on. They will become your competitors. Kind of like the 'Borg'. Speaking from experience...

chasm54 08-28-10 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11368829)
Worked on the old boy between other jobs today... and when work was done we went on a nice pootle. The 451 equipped Twenty is a different bike than it's exported cousins as it has better road manners and is a little faster since it rolls on taller and skinnier tyres.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/1977R20a.JPG

Terrific bike. And you've done a nice job cleaning it up.

Old Fat Guy 08-28-10 04:25 PM

There's an old Raleigh rod brake at a local garage sale, I snapped some pics:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ypsibikes/RaleighRodBrake#

Don't know if it's still there, it was a couple of hours ago. I'd be glad to facilitate a deal for anyone. It's in 48197 zip. I think it can be had cheaply. not looking for any personal profit at all. The guy said 'make an offer'. I didn't because I don't need another project.

Sixty Fiver 08-28-10 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by chasm54 (Post 11371084)
Terrific bike. And you've done a nice job cleaning it up.

It just needed to be dusted off... :)

Installed new tyres, added my old Wright's saddle, spd pedals, and an 18 tooth cog with as KMC chain to bring down the gearing a few steps..

Andrew F 08-28-10 07:44 PM


Garbagemen will catch on. They will become your competitors. Kind of like the 'Borg'. Speaking from experience...

Perhaps, I've made friends with my garbagemen, they brought me the bikes not expecting anything, I gave them a tip. I kinda have an advantage, I'm considered a big pickup, so I do things to make their life easier, they appreciate it and are willing to do me favors in return. If they started selling me bikes it would be different I suppose. The key is to develope a freindship. I also have a friend who drives a dumpster truck, he's found a few, I help him price the bikes for CL and he offers me first picks.

curbtender 08-29-10 09:15 AM

It's how I got started. I've been a garbageman for thirty years. I had a co-worker who had started a side business called the "Krusty Wheel". A few of us kept him supplied with garbage finds until random drug testing made him quit his job over quitng the greenbud. I'd already gotten an eye for a decent bike and started piling up a few. Last time I saw Krusty he was pedaling/selling a really sweet Shelby I'd gotten him years ago.

noglider 08-29-10 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by banjo_mole (Post 11368846)
Wow. That's a really, really cool trick. (google alerts) I'm going to start doing that for everything! This is a pandora's box, opened!

-Nick

To be honest, I didn't want to post it here for several months, because it would diminish my advantage over other collectors. But I'm sharing it now.

jedge76 08-29-10 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11375317)
To be honest, I didn't want to post it here for several months, because it would diminish my advantage over other collectors. But I'm sharing it now.

Thanks noglider...nice trick and I don't think I'll be one of those collectors leaching from your stock:lol: A big help indeed!

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 02:07 PM

Well... have already put a respectable 40 miles on the new Twenty and have to say I am most pleased and that it is a different ride than it's 406 equipped cousin.

The shifting is as smooth as butter on glass (it's an SA AW), has some very nice road manners, and comes off the line like a little rocket... just perfect for pootling through the urban jungle and dodging errant motorists and bike swallowing potholes.

It's all low tech and old tech but still... these are remarkably nice bikes to ride and think it needs some Wald folding baskets to make it more utilitarian.

noglider 08-29-10 02:12 PM

What are the differences between this bike and the Twenty we got in North America?

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 11375428)
What are the differences between this bike and the Twenty we got in North America?

Taller and skinnier 451 wheels, better steel Raleigh brakes and levers (that work quite well with Matthauser pads), it has a slightly longer wheelbase, and a cleaner and nicer looking build.

The lower struts wrap under the bottom bracket shell and are actually part of the chain stays.

On the other hand, the 36 spoke 406 wheels are nearly bombproof whereas the 28 spoke 451's are a little lighter and probably could not withstand the abuse of the smaller higher spoked wheel.

Have an AWG hub that needs to get built into a wheel and was thinking a 36 spoke CR18 rear and a 28 spoke CR18 up front would be a nice combination.

jedge76 08-29-10 09:33 PM

65'er, is the twenty able to be modified to take the 451 over the 406 mm's?

I love the folder that you found. A beautiful bike.

mkeller234 08-29-10 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11375484)
Taller and skinnier 451 wheels, better steel Raleigh brakes and levers (that work quite well with Matthauser pads), it has a slightly longer wheelbase, and a cleaner and nicer looking build.

The lower struts wrap under the bottom bracket shell and are actually part of the chain stays.

On the other hand, the 36 spoke 406 wheels are nearly bombproof whereas the 28 spoke 451's are a little lighter and probably could not withstand the abuse of the smaller higher spoked wheel.

Have an AWG hub that needs to get built into a wheel and was thinking a 36 spoke CR18 rear and a 28 spoke CR18 up front would be a nice combination.

Wow. I had no idea there were that many differences. It's a nice looking bike, i'd like to try one out someday. I've passed up a lot of the cheaper vintage folders holding out for a Raleigh Twenty.

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by jedge76 (Post 11377757)
65'er, is the twenty able to be modified to take the 451 over the 406 mm's?

I love the folder that you found. A beautiful bike.

The original design was for 451 wheels and it seems that the export models got 406 wheels and fatter tyres and also got crappy long reach Weinmann brakes and alloy levers.

This is why export models have so much room between the tyre and fender.

Was hanging out with my friend tonight and he has been riding his 406 bike and it is missing a rear spoke and the wheel is still true... would not expect the stock 451 to be able to do this as it is only a 28 spoke wheel.

Anyways... 451 wheels could be built up and fitted to a 406 equipped bike and this would allow one to run better brakes... the steel Raleigh brakes are forged and are quite stiff and only suffer from being rather heavy.

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by mkeller234 (Post 11377848)
Wow. I had no idea there were that many differences. It's a nice looking bike, i'd like to try one out someday. I've passed up a lot of the cheaper vintage folders holding out for a Raleigh Twenty.

The cheaper vintage folders are that... cheap.

The Italians cranked out tens of thousands of U framed folders that have poor quality parts and a poor hinge while the twenty is built like a Raleigh... it is a solid and well made bike that can take heaps of abuse but at 36 pounds it is heavy and doesn't fold up like a Brompton.

But it is a better riding bike than almost any other small wheeled bike except a Moulton.

Biggest issue with riding a Twenty is that people will stop you constantly and ask you about your bike... :)

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 10:30 PM

A Twenty can be turned into a lightweight bike that comes very close to a Bike Friday in the performance department too... this was Sheldon Brown's super modified 20.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/images/r...0fixed-472.gif

http://sheldonbrown.org/raleigh-twen...wenty-8-01.jpg

I know that some of his bikes were sold but have not seen this one... if it was to ever come up for sale I bet it would sell for a fairly staggering price since it spawned so much interest in these utilitarian bicycles.

Sixty Fiver 08-29-10 10:38 PM

My new Twenty... fitted a modern rack so I can carry panniers and re-purposed a laptop bag into a clip-able pannier bag as well.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/1977R20c.JPG

AL NZ 08-30-10 05:27 AM

you guys got me all going about my upcoming next project once container arrives from UK to NZ

I have

- old frame, with minor braze break that needs re-brazing (rear brake mount between seat stays). I'm not sure if it is a 28" or 26" wheeled frame until I get it from my sister this weekend

- matching pair of rebuilt SA brake hubs from UK (in container) with 3 speed rear, with levers and black cables - all perfect
- some NOS 28" Westwood rims - but re-reading older posts in this thread I am wondering about 700c rims. I guess frame size, once known, will help determine this
- a new Brooks Flyer (black) to go on my BSA "pathracer" (sorry Picchio), which will liberate the tan B66 from the pathracer for this project
- an old crankset (Williams) in very good, lightly used condition, 52 tooth, with the 5-bolt detachable chainring which should interchange with the 2-piece 5-bolt ring on my old BSA (I paid too much on UK ebay for this Williams - about 65 pounds)
- some NOS black 26" mudguards (semi-circle section, not Raleigh) which might just stretch over 28" or 70c rims, but I wont risk wrecking them if they don't fit (they were bought in NZ for about 60 USD)
- some spare cream 28" Delta cruisers in NZ storage ( I needed 2, so I bought 4 - you never know when things you want will be out of stock)
- a set of NOS lights (British) - can't remember the brand, but the headlight is the larger size. In UK container
- a Major Taylor stem that came on the frame (the only reason I bought the frame).

I have just bid on a set of rusty Lauterwassers. the guy doesn't know what he's got, so I may finally get a bargain after assembling all these expensive bits.

I am thinking a deep green or British Racing Green frame spray job, chrome rims (my BSA has black rims, so time for a change), and I may go silly if I get the Lauterwassers and have them and the Major Taylor nickel-plated instead of chromed. Not 'period', but I love nickel silver - it is on my dad's 1928 Alvis radiator, and at 82 years of age it polishes up like new.

I also have an old brass-bodied SA 3/4 speed trigger.

Any suggestions to improve my concept?

When it all finally happens (months) I will post photos

advice from the experts is, in the meantime, thoroughly appreciated!

Fir 08-30-10 09:40 AM

"Great 'Winter bike'"
 
Hey Tom!

I foound a 3 spd for a great price with your system :-)

A little out of my area, but cute. I will try to figure out how to narrow the search down to my citty. Thanks again for the tip!

Vintage British 3 Speed Bicycle, Very Nice! - $30 (Dover)
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/abou...997600199.html

noglider 08-30-10 09:46 AM

Haha! That's so cute!


Perfect for commuting and just leaving outdoors. Great for everyday use. Great "Winter bike"
I cant remember if it is a Mens or a Womens, but I know its a 3 Speed. Pick up only. Bring a shovel.
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/abou.../997600199.jpg

Mike from Iowa 08-30-10 12:01 PM

New here
 
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I joined last month and have greatly enjoyed seeing everyone's bikes. Here is my 72 Humber Sports that is my daily commuter:

David Newton 08-30-10 12:12 PM

Mike, that is a great looking bike! Could you post bigger pictures? I know we would all love to see the details.

flammenwurfer 08-30-10 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Fir (Post 11379869)
Hey Tom!

I foound a 3 spd for a great price with your system :-)

A little out of my area, but cute. I will try to figure out how to narrow the search down to my citty. Thanks again for the tip!

Vintage British 3 Speed Bicycle, Very Nice! - $30 (Dover)
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/abou...997600199.html

Well, I can tell you have to set it up to search a specific CL city. In your search terms field put... "3 speed site:yourcity.craigslist.org" instead of "3 speed site:craigslist.org"

In my case it would be "3 speed site:topeka.craigslist.org". I haven't figured out how to do more than one specific city in on alert, but you can always create a few separate alerts for each of your local area CL cities.

Mike from Iowa 08-30-10 02:50 PM

New Here, Bigger Pics
 
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I'll see if this works:

And for good measure I'll show my banjo brothers bag with one of my banjos in it...


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