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ntdt 05-01-13 07:45 PM

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Hi all,

This is my first post. I've recently got a very rusty 3 speed bike. I plan to clean, repaint the frame, fenders. The hub is Sturmey-Archer with date 58 2. The bike is a Majestic Meteor from Montreal. Do you have any information about this mark? Where can I start to bring it back to ride able state. I'd like to do it as a gift for my wife.

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SirMike1983 05-01-13 08:01 PM

Looks to me like a BCC Birmingham produced core and chainguard.

_dylan 05-01-13 08:08 PM

This forum always makes me super envious.... Raleigh, oh Raleigh--wherefore art thou, Raleigh gods?

wahoonc 05-02-13 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by ntdt (Post 15577389)
Hi all,

This is my first post. I've recently got a very rusty 3 speed bike. I plan to clean, repaint the frame, fenders. The hub is Sturmey-Archer with date 58 2. The bike is a Majestic Meteor from Montreal. Do you have any information about this mark? Where can I start to bring it back to ride able state. I'd like to do it as a gift for my wife.

That is interesting! Nice find, good luck with the cleanup/restoration. I have not seen that brand before. But it looks like a good solid 3 speed.

Aaron :)

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 15577446)
Looks to me like a BCC Birmingham produced core and chainguard.

I definitely think you're on the right track there SirMike. I have been researching the RAYNAL brand and from what I've determined so far - which I believe has a 99% chance of being correct - is that RAYNAL was a BCC brand in 1955 or '56 - when "UGLY BETTY" was built.

I had begun parting out UGLY BETTY but decided to keep her instead - she literally screams "patina" and I could tell when I got her on the stand and spun the crank and wheels that somebody had loved her very much... More on that in a bit...

Note the angle of the top tube coming out of the seat tube; just like the Majestic at 4378:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=314347

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by clasher (Post 15570698)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8540/...83b21713_z.jpg

Finally fixed my folding bike back up to shiny... I can't bring myself to upgrade it and it's just a bit too small for me to ride comfortably. Put a new chain and a bigger cog on, as well as new pads, cables and housing for the brakes. The shifter cable looks a little rough but it shifts fine so I'm gonna leave it alone. I'd love to get a frame or a beat up 20 to rebuild with modern parts but I couldn't bring myself to "upgrade" this one since it still works fine... gotta thin the herd a bit before I start up more projects though.

Clasher I have been wanting very much to pick one of these up. Wish you weren't so far up there because I'd sure take this one off your hands if not. I definitely NEVER see these around here.

noglider 05-02-13 04:14 PM

Palmetto, maybe you'll find a reason to visit this region. I'll be living in NYC soon, and I could give you a great tour of Manhattan by bike. And while you're here, maybe you can talk me into selling you my Twenty. I'm souping it up, and when I'm done, there's a good chance I'll want to ditch it. It's getting a drum brake front hub, racing tires, and alloy rims. I might even put drop bars on it.

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by photogravity (Post 13720808)
As far as the cog, that's a 24t. I bought a dozen from an eBay seller in Germany. Where I live we have hills and I'd not be able to get up any of them without pushing were it not for that cog. When I first got the bike I replaced the chain, and put a 22t cog on at that time, so I did not need to add any length to the chain. Typically if you're going from the normally installed cogs (18 or 19 ime), you'd need to replace the chain or add links to the existing chain.

Uh pg, second time you've mentioned that lot of 24T hubs you bought from the German. Do you perhaps have a link for same?

And BTW, I am diligently but enjoyably reading thru this thread and if you provided said link at a later post than 2902 please accept my apology for troubling you with my question.

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 15581054)
Palmetto, maybe you'll find a reason to visit this region. I'll be living in NYC soon, and I could give you a great tour of Manhattan by bike. And while you're here, maybe you can talk me into selling you my Twenty. I'm souping it up, and when I'm done, there's a good chance I'll want to ditch it. It's getting a drum brake front hub, racing tires, and alloy rims. I might even put drop bars on it.

Man what's the deal with living in the city?

My French son-in-law's good buddy lives there, working for some bank, and I understand he lives in a closet for the same price that most people spend for a real pad....

wahoonc 05-02-13 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15581458)
Uh pg, second time you've mentioned that lot of 24T hubs you bought from the German. Do you perhaps have a link for same?

And BTW, I am diligently but enjoyably reading thru this thread and if you provided said link at a later post than 2902 please accept my apology for troubling you with my question.

BikeSmith Design has them up to 26T....just sayin' ;)

Aaron :)

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 15581554)
BikeSmith Design has them up to 26T....just sayin' ;)

Aaron :)

Yeah, they have a number of grades and sizes.

I'd definitely have to see a major cost savings not to use them. You going to that Swap & Show in Eden, NC by chance? Looks like it is replete with stuff I'm not intere

PalmettoUpstate 05-02-13 09:06 PM

Looks like it is replete with stuff I'm not interested in but you may have a different insight...

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/3760680301.html

wahoonc 05-03-13 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15581965)
Yeah, they have a number of grades and sizes.

I'd definitely have to see a major cost savings not to use them. You going to that Swap & Show in Eden, NC by chance? Looks like it is replete with stuff I'm not intere

I have another event planned for that Saturday, I wasn't even aware of that show.

Aaron :)

gster 05-03-13 11:34 AM

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We have a date confirmed for this year's Toronto Vintage Bicycle Show. Sunday July 28th at Trinity Bellwoods Park on Queen West. More details to follow.
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PalmettoUpstate 05-03-13 12:19 PM

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Anyone care to explain where these stand in the English 3-speed firmament?

Thanks in advance!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-VINTAGE-PA...p2047675.l2557

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clubman 05-03-13 01:35 PM

First popularized on Raleigh Choppers (late 60's?), then often found on a number of second tier and rebranded 3 speed and single speed models in the early 70's. They came in white too.

markk900 05-03-13 02:53 PM

They are awful pedals too, IMO....no bearings in them at all, no way to service them. I took one set apart, searched the world for a clip to hold them together again, and they only lasted a little longer.....I love the look though!

Sixty Fiver 05-03-13 06:42 PM

Went on a wonderful ride this afternoon, taking the Springwater corridor from Portland to Sellwood where I wandered about in the many antique shops and found an antique Mora knife, enjoyed some delicious Chai, and received quite a few compliments from people on the old girl who will soon be 60.

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...sportspdx3.JPG

I did not think I was moving all that fast but sure passed a lot of folks in Spandex who were riding modern bicycles but then, I also got passed by a young lady riding an old ten speed... who was riding no handed... while she was texting.

:)

PalmettoUpstate 05-03-13 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 15585665)
Went on a wonderful ride this afternoon, taking the Springwater corridor from Portland to Sellwood where I wandered about in the many antique shops and found an antique Mora knife, enjoyed some delicious Chai, and received quite a few compliments from people on the old girl who will soon be 60.

I did not think I was moving all that fast but sure passed a lot of folks in Spandex who were riding modern bicycles but then, I also got passed by a young lady riding an old ten speed... who was riding no handed... while she was texting.

:)

She looked like Angelina Jolie in spandex too, right? ;v)

Sixty Fiver 05-03-13 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15585933)
She looked like Angelina Jolie in spandex too, right? ;v)

She had a bunch of nice tattoos and was riding in casual clothes... :)

PalmettoUpstate 05-03-13 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 15585941)
She had a bunch of nice tattoos and was riding in casual clothes... :)

Inspired by Sigourney no doubt....

Jeez... I'm not much into tattoos but I'd never say never to the right mix of specs....

Hey, getting back to the business at hand... you had some rather erudite things to say about Shimano hubs at 2891. You know, when it comes to excellence or inferiority, Idon't have a dog in the fight... Put succinctly, are the Shimano 3-speed hubs, ubiquitous in Asia as we know, the equal, lesser, or better than SA? [on balance I mean]

Sixty Fiver 05-04-13 02:06 AM

I am not running any Shimano 3 speed hubs at this time... not that there is anything is wrong with them but that I have no shortage of nice Sturmey Archer three speed hubs and because these have been serving me well for such a long time.

The early "333" hubs work well but are not serviceable, the latter models are pretty solid and don't seem to generate many complaints.

wahoonc 05-04-13 05:31 AM

Shimano hubs are hard to source parts for, older SA no problem for the AW, some of the other A* or F hubs can be a challenge.

Aaron :)

sykerocker 05-04-13 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 15586497)
I am not running any Shimano 3 speed hubs at this time... not that there is anything is wrong with them but that I have no shortage of nice Sturmey Archer three speed hubs and because these have been serving me well for such a long time.

The early "333" hubs work well but are not serviceable, the latter models are pretty solid and don't seem to generate many complaints.

Back when I was serving my apprenticeship at A.R. Adams Cycle, the boss taught me that the Shimano hub was superior to the Sturmey-Archer. Both seemed to work fine, but I remember the Shimano was easier and faster to field strip.

noglider 05-04-13 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 15581542)
Man what's the deal with living in the city?

My French son-in-law's good buddy lives there, working for some bank, and I understand he lives in a closet for the same price that most people spend for a real pad....

Different folks for different strokes, or something like that.

I grew up in Manhattan and am returning to my roots, now that I'm done spawning. My kids are on the west coast. We have a 1,400 square foot historic loft in Greenwich Village, where an episode of Law and Order was shot. We also have a place in the country, in a gorgeous part of New York State. And oddly enough, our living expenses will go down quite a bit by making this move. Plus, I stand to make more money.

Our current house is about 3,000 square feet, a Victorian house built in 1888. Our plot is a mere 62x100 feet, and the property taxes are $16,000 per year and rising fast. G'bye suburbia!


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